Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

[Kprawn]

Is there no Campaign for Newbie?? Sadness   

If you bothered to read the op you would see that there are several.

If only forum policy was to crack down on mindless noobs, we would have 25% less spam.

When I started out here, it took me months to get into my first signature campaign as a newbie or a junior member. We now have several campaigns for newbie and junior members.

This is where the spam starts... Newbie accounts should not be allowed to participate in any signature campaign. The newbie members should take that time to browse the forum and to acquire knowledge on the subject matter.

A compromise could also be made, to allow them, but a minimum post limit of 5 to 10 per week, should be enforced... Now it's about 20 to 25 per week...

Small tweaks to the signature campaigns could make a huge difference. 

[blablaace]

Is there no Campaign for Newbie?? Sadness   

If you bothered to read the op you would see that there are several.

If only forum policy was to crack down on mindless noobs, we would have 25% less spam.

When I started out here, it took me months to get into my first signature campaign as a newbie or a junior member. We now have several campaigns for newbie and junior members.

This is where the spam starts... Newbie accounts should not be allowed to participate in any signature campaign. The newbie members should take that time to browse the forum and to acquire knowledge on the subject matter.

A compromise could also be made, to allow them, but a minimum post limit of 5 to 10 per week, should be enforced... Now it's about 20 to 25 per week...

Small tweaks to the signature campaigns could make a huge difference. 

yeah, and earnings as newbie and junior member are not worth your time..

[Brewins]

Is there no Campaign for Newbie?? Sadness    

If you bothered to read the op you would see that there are several.

If only forum policy was to crack down on mindless noobs, we would have 25% less spam.

When I started out here, it took me months to get into my first signature campaign as a newbie or a junior member. We now have several campaigns for newbie and junior members.

This is where the spam starts... Newbie accounts should not be allowed to participate in any signature campaign. The newbie members should take that time to browse the forum and to acquire knowledge on the subject matter.

A compromise could also be made, to allow them, but a minimum post limit of 5 to 10 per week, should be enforced... Now it's about 20 to 25 per week...

Small tweaks to the signature campaigns could make a huge difference.  

yeah, and earnings as newbie and junior member are not worth your time..

There are people still doing faucets.

Newbie payments still are orders of magnitude better than faucets

[marcotheminer]

I might launch a collection of all signature campaigns on http://bitsig.website. It would have all signature campaigns with the necessary information (so would basically replace the confusion in the first post that sometimes arises).

Thoughts?

[Mitchell]

I might launch a collection of all signature campaigns on http://bitsig.website. It would have all signature campaigns with the necessary information (so would basically replace the confusion in the first post that sometimes arises).

Thoughts?

Please take this somewhere else, since it has nothing to do with my thread. In fact, it seems that you are trying to replace it and you are advertising that here. That's quite rude if this is the case.

[marcotheminer]

I might launch a collection of all signature campaigns on http://bitsig.website. It would have all signature campaigns with the necessary information (so would basically replace the confusion in the first post that sometimes arises).

Thoughts?

Please take this somewhere else, since it has nothing to do with my thread. In fact, it seems that you are trying to replace it and you are advertising that here. That's quite rude if this is the case.

Didn't mean to come across that way, thought it'd be a nice idea to have it all on one site instead of a thread.

Will make a new discussion thread, no worries.

[marcotheminer]

By the way I am the escrow for the OcupyCoin Campaign.

[Muhammed Zakir]

By the way I am the escrow for the OcupyCoin Campaign.

I don't think he will add that to OP.

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A small doubt : If escrower is managing funds, shouldn't it be also considered as Escrowed? Because I escrow the funds for Bitin.io but why it is 'No'? Dump question maybe.
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Someone that runs a campaign, even if it's for someone else, can't be the one doing the escrow. You have conflicting interests from my point of view. In the end, you are the one who decides everything. If you run, who will pay your participants? lightlord could, but there is no way to be sure.

Agree with bitcoinformation on this one.  Campaign managers can't be trusted escrows for other campaign managers.  This def seems like a conflict of interest, imo.

   -MZ

[blablaace]

By the way I am the escrow for the OcupyCoin Campaign.

I don't think he will add that to OP.

I think that he will.
You can see in Detailed information, Escrow: No or Yes.

[Mitchell]

By the way I am the escrow for the OcupyCoin Campaign.

No you aren't. You are the campaign leader and handle the payments as well. That's not what an escrow does and causes conflict of interest, which is why I don't list such campaigns as escrowed. I have explained this before to others, not sure if you were in this thread back then.

I think that he will.
You can see in Detailed information, Escrow: No or Yes.

Muhammed Zakir is correct. He won't be added as escrow. Thanks for the quotes!

[marcotheminer]

By the way I am the escrow for the OcupyCoin Campaign.

No you aren't. You are the campaign leader and handle the payments as well. That's not what an escrow does and causes conflict of interest, which is why I don't list such campaigns as escrowed. I have explained this before to others, not sure if you were in this thread back then.

No I don't think I was in the thread. Why isn't that counted as escrow? I am holding BIT-X's funds. "If you run, who will pay your participants?". This is still an issue with an ordinary escrow, no?

[blablaace]

Oh, sorry Muhammed, I wasn't informed enough

[Mitchell]

No I don't think I was in the thread. Why isn't that counted as escrow? I am holding BIT-X's funds. "If you run, who will pay your participants?". This is still an issue with an ordinary escrow, no?

"Someone that runs a campaign, even if it's for someone else, can't be the one doing the escrow. You have conflicting interests from my point of view. In the end, you are the one who decides everything. If you run, who will pay your participants? -insert owner of OcupyCoin- could, but there is no way to be sure."

So if you run, people could get paid by OcupyCoin, but there is no way to be sure. If there is someone doing escrow the risk is more spread.

[marcotheminer]

No I don't think I was in the thread. Why isn't that counted as escrow? I am holding BIT-X's funds. "If you run, who will pay your participants?". This is still an issue with an ordinary escrow, no?

"Someone that runs a campaign, even if it's for someone else, can't be the one doing the escrow. You have conflicting interests from my point of view. In the end, you are the one who decides everything. If you run, who will pay your participants? -insert owner of OcupyCoin- could, but there is no way to be sure."

So if you run, people could get paid by OcupyCoin, but there is no way to be sure. If there is someone doing escrow the risk is more spread.

Let me get this right. Escrow is when let's say I run the campaign and you hold funds. At the end of the month I pay users out (and in the case I don't you do)? Correct?

[Mitchell]

Let me get this right. Escrow is when let's say I run the campaign and you hold funds. At the end of the month I pay users out (and in the case I don't you do)? Correct?

Correct. That's how signature escrow normally works and it makes sure that there are no conflicting interests. That's what I am doing for BitDice.me. I have 3BTC in escrow in case they run off, don't pay on time or until the signature campaign closes.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Let me get this right. Escrow is when let's say I run the campaign and you hold funds. At the end of the month I pay users out (and in the case I don't you do)? Correct?

Yes but I have a doubt. If the owner of the website gave me full control over the campaign as I am controlling and escrowing it, will it still be considered as no escrow?

   -MZ

[marcotheminer]

Let me get this right. Escrow is when let's say I run the campaign and you hold funds. At the end of the month I pay users out (and in the case I don't you do)? Correct?

Correct. That's how signature escrow normally works and it makes sure that there are no conflicting interests. That's what I am doing for BitDice.me. I have 3BTC in escrow in case they run off, don't pay on time or until the signature campaign closes.

But you could still choose to run off if they don't payout.

[Mitchell]

But you could still choose to run off if they don't payout.

Of course I could. That's why you need a trusted someone to do escrow for you or use something like multisig.

Yes but I have a doubt. If the owner of the website gave me full control over the campaign as I am controlling and escrowing it, will it still be considered as no escrow?

   -MZ

I would, indeed, considered it as no escrow, because you control everything, which is not the point of having someone doing escrow.

[Muhammed Zakir]

I would, indeed, considered it as no escrow, because you control everything, which is not the point of having someone doing escrow.

Okay! So if I am escrowing the funds and I am managing it but all the final decision is made by the owner. Then, it would be considered as escrowed.(?)

   -MZ

[Mitchell]

Okay! So if I am escrowing the funds and I am managing it but all the final decision is made by the owner. Then, it would be considered as escrowed.(?)

   -MZ

Hmmm, that would be a bit borderline, but that would count as escrow, yes. As long as you don't pay the participants yourself and the owner does the final post check (else you could say that someone posted more/less, which creates conflicting interests).