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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26407153 times)
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September 27, 2014, 06:47:47 PM

What if those 2.8k at 420 were a real bid from a millionaire who chose that number because he is happy and stoned tonight?

EDIT: While I was writing this, Loaded came up and posted a cryptic happy face again. Not implying anything here  Cheesy

Since when we give a fuck about loaded ? I wouldn't be posting smiley faces when holding that amount of coins, his investment is losing value while he is watching, even if he bought @ less than $10...

How did yesterday's Doge pump n' dump go? you were heading over there yesterday with much wow
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September 27, 2014, 06:49:09 PM

Whats the ETA on BIT and COIN regulatory approval?

SOON

they said a few months away a few month ago....

they lie, they are liers,  Angry

Regulators. Blood suckers.
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September 27, 2014, 06:49:43 PM

What if those 2.8k at 420 were a real bid from a millionaire who chose that number because he is happy and stoned tonight?

EDIT: While I was writing this, Loaded came up and posted a cryptic happy face again. Not implying anything here  Cheesy

Since when we give a fuck about loaded ? I wouldn't be posting smiley faces when holding that amount of coins, his investment is losing value while he is watching, even if he bought @ less than $10...

How did yesterday's Doge pump n' dump go? you were heading over there yesterday with much wow

are you kidding me ? I have nothing to do with doge, and I never had. 
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September 27, 2014, 06:54:53 PM

are you kidding me ? I have nothing to do with doge, and I never had. 

oops!. Sorry about that. Must have been the die hard Bitcoin supporter ShroomsKit
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September 27, 2014, 06:56:58 PM


That's the most meaningful thing you have ever posted on here!  Wink
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September 27, 2014, 07:01:19 PM


Explanation
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September 27, 2014, 07:15:31 PM

A slight bit of technical relief in the past hour, but we have a falling knife on our hands, here. I am saying nothing, here, about Bitcoin's long-term value. I am saying that this market event is going to pick up, again. There was a small reprieve on the news, but, that failed to hold the market up. Also, the buy back volume is complete dog s---. Don't try to catch a falling knife.
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September 27, 2014, 07:18:12 PM

A slight bit of technical relief in the past hour, but we have a falling knife on our hands, here. I am saying nothing, here, about Bitcoin's long-term value. I am saying that this market event is going to pick up, again. There was a small reprieve on the news, but, that failed to hold the market up. Also, the buy back volume is complete dog s---. Don't try to catch a falling knife.

I'm happy to catch as many knives under $400 as I can thanks.
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September 27, 2014, 07:18:48 PM

Another way to look at it is by saying there are really two major driving forces at play confidence, greed pushing the price up and loss of confidence/ fear pushing it down and although the underlying tech is very interesting it's very hard to stamp a value on to define a bottom on the market. And I'd say if you agree about the two driving forces you'd probably also agree we're currently being driven by the latter.

There's unfortunately around $5,324,220,489 (market cap) that wants to come out of a pot that's likely to be around $24,220,489 (guess to sum of combined order books)

Now some fear mongering fudsters could say that the pot is actually then 99.5% short and as bitcoin is 0 sum (no extra money is introduced to the chain outside of market participants) that that 99.5% loss must be realized by those currently in the game.

Of course the loss I'm talking about above is only relative to fiat and as Bitcoin beats the damn heck out of sillly real life money who cares! get more tokens representing an arbitrary figure on the way down!  Grin
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September 27, 2014, 07:20:49 PM

A slight bit of technical relief in the past hour, but we have a falling knife on our hands, here. I am saying nothing, here, about Bitcoin's long-term value. I am saying that this market event is going to pick up, again. There was a small reprieve on the news, but, that failed to hold the market up. Also, the buy back volume is complete dog s---. Don't try to catch a falling knife.

I'm happy to catch as many knives under $400 as I can thanks.

Best of luck to you. I remember people saying the same when it dipped under $600 and especially when it dipped under $500 (so much so that they were mocking everybody else on the board).

Who knows, maybe we are close enough to a bottom that it won't matter... I certainly wouldn't play this on leverage, though. It's pretty clear we'll hit a new lower low.
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September 27, 2014, 07:20:58 PM

A slight bit of technical relief in the past hour, but we have a falling knife on our hands, here. I am saying nothing, here, about Bitcoin's long-term value. I am saying that this market event is going to pick up, again. There was a small reprieve on the news, but, that failed to hold the market up. Also, the buy back volume is complete dog s---. Don't try to catch a falling knife.

Weren't you caught wrong footed by the last move? Predicting short term market movements is a mugs game..
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September 27, 2014, 07:29:23 PM

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September 27, 2014, 07:33:36 PM

Someone please wake me up when the ETF goes live
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September 27, 2014, 07:34:02 PM

You're substantially over estimating the thought capabilities of over 99.87% of market participants, I would really struggle to believe this overwhelming statistical majority even understand which way to hold their toothbrush.
But even if a small subset were able to do this elementary arithmetic, and gave 35% chance to "2000$ in 5 years", they should be buying those coins for sale at 400$. 

As for waiting for cheaper coins: one must compare the plans (A) "buy 1.00 BTC with 400$ now, wait for price to reach 2000$, sell" with (B) "wait for price to drop to 350$, buy 1.14 BTC with 400$, wait for 2000$, sell". 

Assume that plan (A) has 35% chance of success within 5 years, that is, of price reaching 2000$ in 5 years.  To simplify the math, assume that the only alternative to success is total failure; that is, the price will suddenly crash to 0$ before the 5 years are over, without ever reaching 2000$.  Then the expected profit is 1.00*(0.35*2000 + 0.65*0) - 400 = 300$. 

Plan (B) will have smaller chance of success than plan (A).  Let's say that there is a 20% chance that the price will never get as low as 350$ in the next 5 years; in that case one will keep holding the 400$ in dollars to the end.  If the price does get down to 350$, the chance that it will recover and then rise to 2000$ must be less than 35%, because it has to climb 50$ more, in a shorter time.  Say that the chances are only 30%.  If again we assume, in the second case, that the only alternative to reaching 2000$ is sudden crash to 0$, then the expected profit will be  0.80*1.14*(0.30*2000 + 0.70*0) + 0.20*400 - 400 = 227$.

This math is oversimplified, of course.  For a proper analysis, one should consider more possible outocomes, besides success and sudden crash (which I don't think is likely), and other strategies besides (A) and (B).  The point is that the advantage of waiting for a lower price -- to have more coins to sell in the end -- may be negated by the risk of the price going up, and never reaching the expected low price; and by the smaller expected value, if the price does get that low.
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September 27, 2014, 07:42:44 PM

http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-markets-dominance-poses-questions-global-bitcoin-trading-flows/
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September 27, 2014, 07:47:58 PM

Someone seems a little desperate to get it under $400, what's the panic? Wink

because the end of september is TAX !
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September 27, 2014, 07:49:09 PM

Well, for those who can really understand and see what happens now: what are you gentlemans (and ladies) going to do after the Bitcoin adventure ends? Any plan B for spending time, making money?

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September 27, 2014, 07:52:46 PM

Well, for those who can really understand and see what happens now: what are you gentlemans (and ladies) going to do after the Bitcoin adventure ends? Any plan B for spending time, making money?



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September 27, 2014, 07:53:00 PM

Someone please wake me up when the ETF goes live

Do you really think ETF will boost the price of Bitcoin.
I do not believe on this theory.
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