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April 19, 2015, 10:22:20 AM

Why would you need a hedge against inflation when the government is doing such a great job and everything's fine?

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The inflation rate in Brazil was recorded at 8.13 percent in March of 2015.

That's inflation (specifically, consumer price index increase) in March extrapolated for the whole year.  It is still less than the nominal inflation of bitcoin (~9%/year) and MUCH less than the actual change in consumer price index of bitcoin (135%/year in 2014).

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Inflation Rate in Brazil averaged 386.20 percent from 1980 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 6821.31 percent in April of 1990

Right, but who was complaining about cherry-picking time windows? Since the irresponsible profligate demagogical Keynesian socialists came to power in 2003, inflation has been around 5%/year.  Did I say that it was less than bitcoin's nominal inflation of 9%/year?


But you also have to acknowledge the fluctuations brought about by currency wars. At least since 2000 the Reais has gone from 2:1 to 1:1 approx and since 2010 (when Mantega called it out) it has worsened. Point is, the US Fed's policies have effected all EM's in regards to IR's, debt to gdp, balance sheets etc; bitcoin may have it problems but you're just attempting to shoot down bitcoin on all fronts.

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But the past performance is not the real problem. The problem with bitcoin is that it is a ticket to a lottery with unknown prizes and odds. There is no way of even assigning rough probabilities to its value next month being in any range whatsoever.   It may go to zero in a few days, it may go "to the moon", who knows.

What we do know is that the Top Experts in bitcoin have not the foggiest idea of what the price will do, either.  And what I have learned so far tells me that each of the past bubbles were caused by distinct sources of demand that are already exhausted; so the occurrence of a future larger bubble depends on another source of demand with greater magnitude -- which no one can tell whether or when it will appear.

This is widely acknowledged by all and sundry and I don't think it's a condemnation or a validation. It's an experiment and the first time anything like this, challenging a belief, system and process, has happened. Who knows?

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Therefore, selling bitcoin as a hedge against anything, or as good investment, is scamming, pure and simple.  Trying to sell it to the Third World poor, by telling them that it will make them rich, is a crime against humanity.  If you need another million fools to buy your coins and pay for your Lamborghinis, at least look for them among the wealthy, thank you.


I agree with some of this, but would expand to anyone who believes either the bull or bear perma pitch - 'instant riches' or 'bitcoin is dead $0.00' tomorrow' - is equally foolish. But, you can see bitcoin as a hedge or not; maybe some will liquidate btc for cover in the case of a non bitcoin crisis (which would accelerate any downswing) but others many buy in to have something 'off grid' / safe from bail-ins.

We haven't really seen how bitcoin performs during a real downturn or a genuine full economic upturn. All we've seen is it operating in exceptional monetary circumstances - QE, Currency Wars, legal no-mans-land, use case 'busts', tapering, Cyprus bail-ins.
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April 19, 2015, 10:47:12 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


 it's how it begins, without conviction, noone believes it will go up any longer, at best sideways ... if you are short with conviction now prepare for some long painful thought processes.
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April 19, 2015, 11:20:58 AM


What you think the price is going down forever because a line on a chart points down?
and short covering back up into the high 2xx's and then a push to end the bear market exponential trendline.


 Huh
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April 19, 2015, 11:46:51 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


 it's how it begins, without conviction, noone believes it will go up any longer, at best sideways ... if you are short with conviction now prepare for some long painful thought processes.

+1

It is very hard to go from bull to bear (I never managed to do it). It's probably equally hard to go from bear to bull. Hard and depending on position also very painful.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's time yet, though. We might see another half a year or more of roughly sideways action ($150 to $350 range) before consolidation is finished.
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April 19, 2015, 11:49:31 AM


Nothing failed at 300. Bull whales could have pushed us through easily.


What you think the price is going down forever because a line on a chart points down?
and short covering back up into the high 2xx's and then a push to end the bear market exponential trendline.


Nothing failed at 300? Ooooookkkaayy.  Explain that to me again???

If you are going to say mad things, at least try and be consistent!!
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April 19, 2015, 11:51:13 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


 it's how it begins, without conviction, noone believes it will go up any longer, at best sideways ... if you are short with conviction now prepare for some long painful thought processes.

+1

It is very hard to go from bull to bear (I never managed to do it). It's probably equally hard to go from bear to bull. Hard and depending on position also very painful.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's time yet, though. We might see another half a year or more of roughly sideways action ($150 to $350 range) before consolidation is finished.


aye captain, just to have the halving on sight.
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April 19, 2015, 11:53:00 AM

I don't see how we can go much lower.
Maybe slightly under 200 for a short period.

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COIN ETF
Gemini exchange
NY Bitlicense
BIT trading platform
2016 halving

All to be approved within the next 12 months or so, bears have taken us down about as low as they can, give or take 20-30 USD.
When the above kicks off it's moon time.

People just need to load up as many coins at they can in this price range.
Most people won't be able to afford 1000 + dollar bitcoins.

Buy now & if you must sell in a few years.

Now is the time to accumulate & HODL before this bitch explodes.
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April 19, 2015, 11:59:00 AM

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April 19, 2015, 12:00:10 PM

I don't see how we can go much lower.
Maybe slightly under 200 for a short period.

The -

COIN ETF
Gemini exchange
NY Bitlicense
BIT trading platform
2016 halving

All to be approved within the next 12 months or so, bears have taken us down about as low as they can, give or take 20-30 USD.
When the above kicks off it's moon time.

People just need to load up as many coins at they can in this price range.
Most people won't be able to afford 1000 + dollar bitcoins.

Buy now & if you must sell in a few years.

Now is the time to accumulate & HODL before this bitch explodes.

still, there is no hurry. summer time now Cool
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April 19, 2015, 12:10:48 PM

I can't wait for IBM's Bitcoin killer. Bullish!
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April 19, 2015, 12:12:39 PM

I can't wait for IBM's Bitcoin killer. Bullish!

Isn't this only for blockchain technology? I tought it wasn't related to currency.
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April 19, 2015, 12:18:23 PM

I keep hearing about Bitcoin Investment Trust. Is this any way related to Bitcoin Savings and Trust? Will I be able to get similar services?

lol!

you mean pirateat40s bitcoin savings and trust?
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April 19, 2015, 12:42:09 PM

I can't wait for IBM's Bitcoin killer. Bullish!

Isn't this only for blockchain technology? I tought it wasn't related to currency.

They recently did a proof of concept for Internet of Things devices: https://youtu.be/U1XOPIqyP7A
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April 19, 2015, 01:04:52 PM

Where is the pump?

I only see a few dollars rise, and prices right now are around 227 Huh
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April 19, 2015, 01:19:27 PM

Where is the pump?

I only see a few dollars rise, and prices right now are around 227 Huh

Just wait for Monday. You can't see big pumps at weekends.
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April 19, 2015, 01:20:31 PM

Where is the pump?

I only see a few dollars rise, and prices right now are around 227 Huh

Big pump is for tomorrow, with big news. Few dollars rise are due to insiders.
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April 19, 2015, 01:23:33 PM

I can't wait for IBM's Bitcoin killer. Bullish!

Isn't this only for blockchain technology? I tought it wasn't related to currency.

They recently did a proof of concept for Internet of Things devices: https://youtu.be/U1XOPIqyP7A

What I don't get: How will be their "blockchain" secured? (without decentralised miners)
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April 19, 2015, 01:37:09 PM

I can't wait for IBM's Bitcoin killer. Bullish!

Isn't this only for blockchain technology? I tought it wasn't related to currency.

They recently did a proof of concept for Internet of Things devices: https://youtu.be/U1XOPIqyP7A

What I don't get: How will be their "blockchain" secured? (without decentralised miners)

by the same way that facebook is secured without decentralized miners and things?
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