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April 19, 2015, 09:06:24 AM

Y U dont buy cheap?

I buy for you and then you buy from me.

it just keeps repeating.

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April 19, 2015, 09:11:44 AM

Y U dont buy cheap?

I buy for you and then you buy from me.

it just keeps repeating.

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I don't see your point. What's wrong?
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April 19, 2015, 09:21:51 AM

When somebody uses the term 'pump' regarding BTC I don't count a 4-5 USD rise.

Barely even touches the sides Wink

Let's relax & wait for 300 in the near future.
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April 19, 2015, 09:22:38 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?
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April 19, 2015, 09:27:31 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.
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April 19, 2015, 09:29:49 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
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We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


No one cares? Why?
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April 19, 2015, 09:33:44 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


No one cares? Why?

It has not been mentioned (here), no rocket or train pictures...
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April 19, 2015, 09:38:36 AM



people are leveraging up on both long and short sides.

BTC swaps on bfx at ATH?
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people are leveraging up on both long and short sides.

BTC swaps on bfx at ATH?

Yes. They will burn.

Everyone seems to be waiting (myself included) for another high volume reversal after a dip. Not sure why that is necessary when the entire decline from 300 is staged.

It is more likely we just inexplicably see heavy buying and short covering back up into the high 2xx's and then a push to end the bear market exponential trendline.
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April 19, 2015, 09:55:43 AM

3 $ up on no volume after an uncontested descend of 80 $ and bears are losing it?

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April 19, 2015, 09:58:44 AM

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April 19, 2015, 10:06:53 AM

Getting an urge to go leverage long with my 50 btc play stash. Must. Not. Give. In. Smiley
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April 19, 2015, 10:08:54 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


No one cares? Why?

It has not been mentioned (here), no rocket or train pictures...




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April 19, 2015, 10:14:34 AM

3 $ up on no volume after an uncontested descend of 80 $ and bears are losing it?

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If you compare with 17. April... Longs are more or less on the same level, but shorts are up a lot.  Wink


so what? bulls are again going full retard long on margin, so shorts going up is normal.  

if you want to compare something then try with longs: when the attempt to break 300 failed longs were at 20 mils. we are 80 $ down and we are again closer to 26.
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April 19, 2015, 10:17:00 AM

3 $ up on no volume after an uncontested descend of 80 $ and bears are losing it?

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If you compare with 17. April... Longs are more or less on the same level, but shorts are up a lot.  Wink


so what? bulls are again going full retard long on margin, so shorts going up is normal.  

if you want to compare something then try with longs: when the attempt to break 300 failed longs were at 24 mils. we are 80 $ down and we are again closer to 26.

Nothing failed at 300. Bull whales could have pushed us through easily. This is accumulation of a huge cheap long position.

29000 shorts are the rocket fuel.

What you think the price is going down forever because a line on a chart points down?
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April 19, 2015, 10:22:20 AM

Why would you need a hedge against inflation when the government is doing such a great job and everything's fine?

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The inflation rate in Brazil was recorded at 8.13 percent in March of 2015.

That's inflation (specifically, consumer price index increase) in March extrapolated for the whole year.  It is still less than the nominal inflation of bitcoin (~9%/year) and MUCH less than the actual change in consumer price index of bitcoin (135%/year in 2014).

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Inflation Rate in Brazil averaged 386.20 percent from 1980 until 2015, reaching an all time high of 6821.31 percent in April of 1990

Right, but who was complaining about cherry-picking time windows? Since the irresponsible profligate demagogical Keynesian socialists came to power in 2003, inflation has been around 5%/year.  Did I say that it was less than bitcoin's nominal inflation of 9%/year?


But you also have to acknowledge the fluctuations brought about by currency wars. At least since 2000 the Reais has gone from 2:1 to 1:1 approx and since 2010 (when Mantega called it out) it has worsened. Point is, the US Fed's policies have effected all EM's in regards to IR's, debt to gdp, balance sheets etc; bitcoin may have it problems but you're just attempting to shoot down bitcoin on all fronts.

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But the past performance is not the real problem. The problem with bitcoin is that it is a ticket to a lottery with unknown prizes and odds. There is no way of even assigning rough probabilities to its value next month being in any range whatsoever.   It may go to zero in a few days, it may go "to the moon", who knows.

What we do know is that the Top Experts in bitcoin have not the foggiest idea of what the price will do, either.  And what I have learned so far tells me that each of the past bubbles were caused by distinct sources of demand that are already exhausted; so the occurrence of a future larger bubble depends on another source of demand with greater magnitude -- which no one can tell whether or when it will appear.

This is widely acknowledged by all and sundry and I don't think it's a condemnation or a validation. It's an experiment and the first time anything like this, challenging a belief, system and process, has happened. Who knows?

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Therefore, selling bitcoin as a hedge against anything, or as good investment, is scamming, pure and simple.  Trying to sell it to the Third World poor, by telling them that it will make them rich, is a crime against humanity.  If you need another million fools to buy your coins and pay for your Lamborghinis, at least look for them among the wealthy, thank you.


I agree with some of this, but would expand to anyone who believes either the bull or bear perma pitch - 'instant riches' or 'bitcoin is dead $0.00' tomorrow' - is equally foolish. But, you can see bitcoin as a hedge or not; maybe some will liquidate btc for cover in the case of a non bitcoin crisis (which would accelerate any downswing) but others many buy in to have something 'off grid' / safe from bail-ins.

We haven't really seen how bitcoin performs during a real downturn or a genuine full economic upturn. All we've seen is it operating in exceptional monetary circumstances - QE, Currency Wars, legal no-mans-land, use case 'busts', tapering, Cyprus bail-ins.
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April 19, 2015, 10:47:12 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


 it's how it begins, without conviction, noone believes it will go up any longer, at best sideways ... if you are short with conviction now prepare for some long painful thought processes.
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April 19, 2015, 10:58:45 AM

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What you think the price is going down forever because a line on a chart points down?
and short covering back up into the high 2xx's and then a push to end the bear market exponential trendline.


 Huh
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April 19, 2015, 11:46:51 AM

Is today boom a twilight of bull?
Or just short party before big crash?
How do you think of it?

We are up 5 from the last days' relatively stable level. It seems noone cares.


 it's how it begins, without conviction, noone believes it will go up any longer, at best sideways ... if you are short with conviction now prepare for some long painful thought processes.

+1

It is very hard to go from bull to bear (I never managed to do it). It's probably equally hard to go from bear to bull. Hard and depending on position also very painful.

Honestly, I'm not sure it's time yet, though. We might see another half a year or more of roughly sideways action ($150 to $350 range) before consolidation is finished.
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