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Question: Sept. 21 Closing Price:
$0 - 3 (3.9%)
<$8,000 - 4 (5.2%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 1 (1.3%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 1 (1.3%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 2 (2.6%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 5 (6.5%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 13 (16.9%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 15 (19.5%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 17 (22.1%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 4 (5.2%)
>$12,000 - 7 (9.1%)
>$20,000 - 5 (6.5%)
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January 04, 2017, 04:05:27 PM

i guess just lower them a bit in accordance with your gut feeling about the "new low".

if you needed something more sustainable and reliable as a business person i'd guess you'd be charging the BTC equivalent of a fixed dollar amount which you're not doing which implies a certain amount of flexibility is possible for you.
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January 04, 2017, 04:08:16 PM

Just charge in dollars and accept payment in BTC with a window of a few hrs after the job is complete.
That way you can always charge the same for the job and no one will feel like they over or underpaid.


I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.
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January 04, 2017, 04:13:45 PM

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

Not at all. Bitcoin is a fixed supply currency with deflationary effects. In an economy based around such a currency, prices tend to go down. It just seems strange and counter-intuitive, because all anyone here including Jimbo has ever known is an economy based around an inflationary currency, where prices tend to go up.

Just lower the price in BTC Smiley
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January 04, 2017, 04:14:25 PM

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.
GM! 1100.00 anyone?  Smiley

Ya if you keep your fixed BTC rate your customers will go pay cash somewhere else.... cheaper than the fixed rate in BTC. Somewhere along the line you do need to compensate for your rates when BTC was low and you took the hit. I would reward myself a little extra for as long as you can, after all, the miners you maintain would not benefit the owners if they were not running  Wink
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I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.
GM! 1100.00 anyone?  Smiley

Ya if you keep your fixed BTC rate your customers will go pay cash somewhere else.... cheaper than the fixed rate in BTC. Somewhere along the line you do need to compensate for your rates when BTC was low and you took the hit. I would reward myself a little extra for as long as you can, after all, the miners you maintain would not benefit the owners if they were not running  Wink

He could charge in dollars though bitpay, and keep the Bitcoin as long as the price keeps rising. If the price starts falling he could receive in dollars and buy back Bitcoins during the dips. Or he could choose what percentage to receive in Bitcoin, and what percentage to receive in dollars.

There is the risk Bitpay could get hacked again though.

https://help.bitpay.com/getting-paid/bitcoin-settlement

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Enter your bitcoin address name and the bitcoin address, then select your settlement percentage (how much of your settlements you would like to receive in form of bitcoin). Then click "Save."
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January 04, 2017, 04:30:04 PM

plz give your votes for the next ATH stop  Grin

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January 04, 2017, 04:39:43 PM

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.


I don't think it is complex...


You peg it to dollar prices... and you still get bitcoins.
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January 04, 2017, 04:51:21 PM

On the move again, $1100 and counting..
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January 04, 2017, 04:53:27 PM

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side Smiley
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January 04, 2017, 04:54:11 PM

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side Smiley

16K shorts still need to close!
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January 04, 2017, 04:58:20 PM

haha there's a big ask wall at 2890 on finex
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January 04, 2017, 04:58:24 PM

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side Smiley

16K shorts still need to close!

i would love to meet with some of those shorters and have a beer or something. i mean, what drives them? what are the reasons to short btc in such a run? inexperience? gambling with money of other people?
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January 04, 2017, 05:01:32 PM

I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.

I get it. You're trying to be true to Bitcoin and lead instead of follow. That's good.

During the big swings you should be able to adjust your price. Bitcoin has a lot of time that is fairly stable but at times it has its growing pains to adjust to demand. During those times you'll need to adjust with Bitcoin as well.

I sold someone a pair of boots for $300 when the price was about $10/BTC. The boots took over a month to get to the buyer. By that time the price had climbed to over $20. The customer was not happy about it. I gave him half of the upward value back as a gesture of moving forward with Bitcoin and keeping commerce going even when the price moves a lot.
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January 04, 2017, 05:03:53 PM

Hmm, this isn't looking as bearish as I'd like... Maybe the Chinese will pull an extension?
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January 04, 2017, 05:06:37 PM

Hmm, this isn't looking as bearish as I'd like... Maybe the Chinese will pull an extension?

What about the BFX shorters' prisoner dilemma? There's 16k of them and only 6k in total asks.
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January 04, 2017, 05:09:26 PM

bfx over 1100 alrdy, and there are not much coins left on the sell side Smiley

16K shorts still need to close!

i would love to meet with some of those shorters and have a beer or something. i mean, what drives them? what are the reasons to short btc in such a run? inexperience? gambling with money of other people?

I thought about this a bit. I was thinking that perhaps the tax implications might be better to short than to sell.

Say you have 100 bitcoins that you bought for $100 each. Say you think $1100 is the top and you want to sell your 100 bitcoins. You now owe capital gains on $100,000. You still want bitcoins in the long run but you think the price will surely go down.

If you short at $1100 and the price drops to $550, you've just doubled your bitcoins. You now have 200 bitcoins and no taxes to pay. Had you sold and bought again at $550 you'd have 200 bitcoins and a tax bill for about $20,000.


(Of course, I may be wrong about most of that. I didn't consider it too long, I do much better when I just hold through these things, trying to time the market is not easy)
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January 04, 2017, 05:11:05 PM

Just charge in dollars and accept payment in BTC with a window of a few hrs after the job is complete.
That way you can always charge the same for the job and no one will feel like they over or underpaid.


I have a problem with this price rise:

As many people know, I fix people's bitcoin miners for bitcoin payments. Thus I have to account for my time, skills, experience, and material costs (damn FPGAs are expensive when they blow up). I price my work in bitcoin because I want this currency to have a reason to exist other than as a speculation thingie.

Problem is the fluctuations: If I charge .3btc for a service and bitcoin drops from 600 to 300 I don't want to raise my bitcoin prices so I kept them constant. Likewise if it goes from 600-1200 I don't want to change my prices for the same basic reason (I'm doing work for a certain amount of bitcoin). But if it keeps going haywire, what do I do? What's fair? And at what point am I simply doing work for dollars instead of Bitcoin?

It's complex.
As long as dollars are less volatile than bitcoins, this method makes a lot more sense ( perhaps with a yearly repricing to account for inflation or other market dynamics).
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January 04, 2017, 05:12:16 PM

8000 yuan


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January 04, 2017, 05:12:24 PM

Hmm, this isn't looking as bearish as I'd like... Maybe the Chinese will pull an extension?

What about the BFX shorters' prisoner dilemma? There's 16k of them and only 6k in total asks.
An order book can change quickly

Also 8012 yuan, new ATH in yuan.
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January 04, 2017, 05:13:28 PM

8000 cny/btc and soon its 9000 because all bots are programmed to buy at 8k because its the ath in china.
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