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[~Money~]

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

i think everyone in crypto market knows about tether manipulation on price, no one doubts that, this study only has one more confirmation on the subject
i think a more attractive news than this was the bitmex emails leak which had some attractive information about users
maybe aside from tether, few more institutional users are available on market

[Last of the V8s]

seasteading -no
overpriced ranch -no
houseboat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58GhBzPJz4 Inside a $5.5M Floating Mansion in Miami | On The Market | Architectural Digest

[realr0ach]

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Gee willikers.  Who could have possibly guessed when I've been saying the entire Bitcoin market is fake and controlled by a single entity for the last 6 years straight?  Anyone that's traded all-in on margin before on Bitfinex for any significant period of time (me) should easily be able to tell you're trading against a single entity and there's no aggregate market whatsoever.  This 'entity' was also trading WITH customer funds, had the trade go against them during Brexit, so they claimed they were hacked and stole it all.

The owners of Bitfinex are involved in this bullshit scam and there's absolutely zero difference in Bitfinex and MtGox.  These criminal faggots like Giancarlo Devasini need to be prosecuted under RICO laws for running a criminal, ENRON scam, also along with all their Chinese buttfucking counterparts who they conspire with to rig the market.  Absolute dipshits in this thread defend these people and their completely fake, rigged market solely because they at one point in time rigged the price up to $20k.  The same faggots are also profiting on it's implosions downwards as well.  HOW are these fucktards at Bitfinex NOT in jail yet?

[FractalUniverse]

..Anyone that's traded all-in on margin before (me)..

that is the cause of the problem
try that with retail forex brokers; what results do you think you will get?

[realr0ach]

i think everyone in crypto market knows about tether manipulation on price, no one doubts that

Cryptoscammers Last of the four cylinders, JayJuanGee, Micgoossens, and numerous others in this thread claim it's a "CONSPIRACY THEORY" because they know Bitfinex is a crooked, fake exchange just like MtGox was and if it ever implodes, will implode the entire market with it...just like Gox did.  

Binance - another crooked, Chinese communist connected exchange - is even MORE Tether exposed than Bitfinex is.  These Chinamen created a complete monopoly on Bitcoin with their ASIC monopolies, then conspired with Giancarlo Devasini (the China connection at Bitfinex) to rig the markets, dump their monopoly tokens at top dollar, and have him launder the funds in and out with his Tether scam.  And you wonder why Xi Jinping praises Bitcoin all of a sudden?  It's a literal Chinese communist party scam at this point.

[JimboToronto]

But what does ATH means here. A moment when price will reach over old ATH of 20k and make new all time high, or ATH of the new bitcoin cycle?  I voted 2022 for the second. But I believe that Bitcoin will reach $20k much earlier then that.

As soon as we pass the current ATH it will be a be a new ATH.

The next "cycle" as you put it will be just one of many.

Who knows what the eventual ATH will be measured in USD. It will probably not matter when the old USD is as insignificant as the old Zimbabwean dollar or the old Mexican peso.

The worth of Bitcoin will be measured in something more concrete like the price of drinking water.

[Cryptotourist]

Kindly please do your own due diligence. ~

I knew you were into escrow, but not any of the details. My apologies.
Either way, your credibility was not the point/in question.

I categorically deny any connection to them ~

Agreed. I did mention it was weird, only because I didn't think you did.

It's not a crime until it's done ~

True. How about the crime of insulting our intelligence?

In this case, I'm hopefully just preventing it from even happening in the first place. Call their bluff if you will. But they can't do it. So they won't.

Interesting point of view. Ultimately our little discussion did clear things up I feel.

They'll never agree to the fair terms, so the whole deal is not going to happen. It's another form of drama specific to this thread. ~

Exactly.
They will never agree to anything that doesn't involve a direct payment to their pockets.
So why offer escrow? Fuck them.

TLDR: A mere confirmation of the scam nature of The Cuntonians.

[realr0ach]

Since this is the r0ach no spin zone, I have to make this post because I'm really fucking tired of Anonymint's complete 180 flip flop on digital shitcoins and how he promotes them now after saying it's not possible to even create a decentralized digital shitcoin a few months ago:

Bitcoin is the bottom-most asset on Exter’s inverted pyramid now. Metals will lose all public confidence and be throw into the street and seen as things unclean, as the Bible instructs.

What a load of bullshit.  Stop getting high on your own supply.  Bitcoin is NOT "peer to peer".  Every single Bitcoin transaction involves a RENT SEEKING MIDDLEMAN (transaction validator), plus numerous other counterparties.  Exter's Pyramid is simply a measure of the ability to remove risk and counterparties.  Having BUILT IN counterparties and middlemen means NEED NOT FUCKING APPLY.

You even once claimed decentralization was an "insoluble" problem, which is the same thing as saying Bitcoin has zero fundamentals and is worth absolutely nothing.  Now you're attempting to bullshit people for personal financial gain trying to talk the pump and dump scam upwards.  And don't pull the whole "my super secret personal project I'm working on solves decentralization".  We both already know decentralization is not a solvable problem.  You already came to this conclusion once, do I need to explain why again?

Because "proof of work" ISN'T ACTUALLY WORK.  The task can be parallelized and placed entirely on autopilot.  Hence, it's more akin to generation of interest than 'work', and all interest generation systems are designed to centralize.  For it to actually be proof of work, a human would have to PHYSICALLY be solving captchas himself in a single threaded state that he cannot outsource to other parties on autopilot or parallelize.  Bitcoin used the hoax of claiming it's mining algo functions the same as email PoW when in the real world it doesn't AT ALL.

Do not 'all-in' on cognitive dissonance with digital shitcoin scams, when if an invisible hand of the market exists at all, it's going to cause physical metals to absolutely obliterate digital shitcoin hoaxes in the end.

-r0ach

[Dabs]

The most fair version of this deal to be possible.

Pretty much what I've already laid on the table and my purpose in offering escrow. Take it or don't. Either you prove a point or you can't really do it. (Everyone else already believes that, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.)

True. How about the crime of insulting our intelligence?

Don't fall into that. I mean, perhaps think of it as "entertainment" ? Lots of movies or TV shows I watch insult our intelligence, but they are rather enjoyable. You've gotta suspend your disbelief for a little, otherwise everything doesn't make sense. I still reserve time travel to the past is not possible but that's another topic.

So why offer escrow?

Weed out the scammer / prevent the scam / encourage others who would otherwise not have thought of it (to pay them directly) to ask for such services. No one is going to take up their offer now without a third party escrow, it doesn't even have to be me.

[infofront]

best scenario






worst scenario

Best case scenario: You're a bcash scammer
Worst case scenario: You have severe brain damage

[FractalUniverse]

[jojo69]

hey now

[ssmc2]

hey now

You're an all star

[LFC_Bitcoin]

PUMP EEETTTTT

[bitcoinPsycho]

$9600 in one hour
To be confirmed
Ahem ahem

[P_Shep]

$9600 in one hour tbc

This didn't age well.

I take it back.

[realr0ach]

I really despise the Jews, and the kike shills such as Harry McLarry in this thread are only anti-China because they have some pseudo-alliance with Russia, who the Jews are always attempting to destroy because Russia refuses to be kike slaves.  Having said that, there are not many reasons to support China:

1)  Every computer chair I've ever bought is made in China dies within a few months and feels like you're sitting on concrete.  They're stealing all the jobs on the ENTIRE PLANET while exporting absolute junk.

2)  A fascist nation like Germany or Italy at least treats their own people well.  China treats their own people and everyone else on earth as the enemy.  Who the hell benefits by supporting that?  There's no reason for even Chinese people to be pro-China.

3)  Any financial market controlled by Chinese are the only things on the entire planet to rival that of the Jews in terms of being fraudulent scams.  I don't think anyone on earth would enjoy a world ruled by China.  Things like democracies, utilitarianism, etc, were all WHITE people inventions.  Asians mostly believe in dictators, and Jews are just inbred, criminal, chronic liars and thieves, so the world at large should hope we can expel the Jews without China replacing them as the new evil ruler.

4)  Jews helped create the Chinese communist party.  Who the hell knows if the current party has actually flipped against the Jews or not.  Chinese leaders could easily rectify a lot of problems by publicly naming the Jew, but THEY REFUSE TO.  So who is really running the show over there?

[somac.]

Eyeing off the order book on bitstamp, it seems that the bears are gaining a bit more support. The sell side is growing and will soon balance out the buy side. This will make it easier for the price to go down. Still not even on the buys and sells, but getting there.

I'm hoping we don't have a bart on our hands.

Don't we already know that frequently looking at orderbooks, we frequently see reverse indications, so in that regard if sell orders are stacking up on bitstamp, then frequently the price will move in that direction and if the buyers can buy up all of those coins on the order book, it becomes a kind of free sailing once they get through the stacked up coins on the order books.

This is an old play, somac.  It's been seen many, many, many times in bitcoinlandia, so in other words, it seems quite dangerous to presume that BTC's price is going down or failing to go up, merely because sell orders are stacking up on various order books whether on bitstamp or other exchanges and even if you see a pattern of sell orders piling up across many exchanges.

This is true JJG, but only when the order book is not overly one sided, and when I made my comment it was not overly one sided, but it also had that bart look in the price action and sell orders were growing (still more buys at the time), which is why I mentioned it.

However, when the order book is incredibly one sided, from my experience, it is 90% accurate that a turn around happens. Next time there is a dump (or bounce) happening keep an eye on the order book, if it starts to take more then twice as many coins (triple is better) to move the price down then up, very soon you will see a strong bounce. Fantastic thing to trade, but have to do it without stops.

[JayJuanGee]

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

Hahahahaaha

And having a pretty good sense of your inclinations towards single (or small set) of actors manipulations of the bitcoin space, seems likely that you are pretty damned receptive towards the ideas of the article (but even you are not willing to go that far)....  Go figure.    

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

i think everyone in crypto market knows about tether manipulation on price, no one doubts that, this study only has one more confirmation on the subject
i think a more attractive news than this was the bitmex emails leak which had some attractive information about users
maybe aside from tether, few more institutional users are available on market

Another WO poster (aka: ~Money~) who is receptive to conspiracy, tether, manipulation nonsense stories.   

[Dabs]

We are not willing to go with Escrow, however Contractual Anonymity serves a similar purpose as Escrow except it is on a contract and it guarantees us 35% in advance while protecting both of parties from breaking the deal by a third party.

You can choose the Contractor if you desire to do so.

There does not seem to be any other "contractor" around here. I've already offered escrow, and you are refusing it. Not willing to go with it. There are at least 3 lists of bitcointalk escrow people here, pick any one or two of them.

Nothing more needs to be said.