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November 04, 2019, 08:59:33 PM

Eyeing off the order book on bitstamp, it seems that the bears are gaining a bit more support. The sell side is growing and will soon balance out the buy side. This will make it easier for the price to go down. Still not even on the buys and sells, but getting there.

I'm hoping we don't have a bart on our hands.

Don't we already know that frequently looking at orderbooks, we frequently see reverse indications, so in that regard if sell orders are stacking up on bitstamp, then frequently the price will move in that direction and if the buyers can buy up all of those coins on the order book, it becomes a kind of free sailing once they get through the stacked up coins on the order books.

This is an old play, somac.  It's been seen many, many, many times in bitcoinlandia, so in other words, it seems quite dangerous to presume that BTC's price is going down or failing to go up, merely because sell orders are stacking up on various order books whether on bitstamp or other exchanges and even if you see a pattern of sell orders piling up across many exchanges.

This is true JJG, but only when the order book is not overly one sided, and when I made my comment it was not overly one sided, but it also had that bart look in the price action and sell orders were growing (still more buys at the time), which is why I mentioned it.

However, when the order book is incredibly one sided, from my experience, it is 90% accurate that a turn around happens. Next time there is a dump (or bounce) happening keep an eye on the order book, if it starts to take more then twice as many coins (triple is better) to move the price down then up, very soon you will see a strong bounce. Fantastic thing to trade, but have to do it without stops.
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OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

Hahahahaaha

And having a pretty good sense of your inclinations towards single (or small set) of actors manipulations of the bitcoin space, seems likely that you are pretty damned receptive towards the ideas of the article (but even you are not willing to go that far)....  Go figure.    Tongue Tongue

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

i think everyone in crypto market knows about tether manipulation on price, no one doubts that, this study only has one more confirmation on the subject
i think a more attractive news than this was the bitmex emails leak which had some attractive information about users
maybe aside from tether, few more institutional users are available on market

Another WO poster (aka: ~Money~) who is receptive to conspiracy, tether, manipulation nonsense stories.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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November 04, 2019, 09:06:09 PM

We are not willing to go with Escrow, however Contractual Anonymity serves a similar purpose as Escrow except it is on a contract and it guarantees us 35% in advance while protecting both of parties from breaking the deal by a third party.

You can choose the Contractor if you desire to do so.

There does not seem to be any other "contractor" around here. I've already offered escrow, and you are refusing it. Not willing to go with it. There are at least 3 lists of bitcointalk escrow people here, pick any one or two of them.

Nothing more needs to be said.
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November 04, 2019, 09:11:31 PM

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

Hahahahaaha

And having a pretty good sense of your inclinations towards single (or small set) of actors manipulations of the bitcoin space, seems likely that you are pretty damned receptive towards the ideas of the article (but even you are not willing to go that far)....  Go figure.    Tongue Tongue

Bullshit.  From the way he worded the post you can tell he knows it's true.  He tried to forge a positive out of it.  He knows damn well everything I've said about Bitfinex is true.  So does last of the four cylinders.  I cited the total amount of shorts and long short ratio piled onto Eth back in the day over the course of several days during their pump and dump by simply watching them pass by on the fly without even parsing it, which Popescu cited as accurate. Not even the autistic people running around in Bitcoin like Bram Cohen and Vitalik can do that.  Bitfinex is a fugazi.
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November 04, 2019, 09:17:44 PM

seasteading -no
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houseboat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58GhBzPJz4 Inside a $5.5M Floating Mansion in Miami | On The Market | Architectural Digest

Very affordable, and practical, too.  Better make sure that you have at least double that amount in your bank, though, before you go out and buy that baby.
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November 04, 2019, 09:18:12 PM

Guys, At a SIMS convention At the Symbiosis International University a fake Satoshi appeared, named Jorg Molt where he was introduced as the "co-founder of Bitcoin."

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Mr. Jorg Molt, Co-Founder, BITCOIN, delivering a talk to SIMS student managers on BITCOIN and its applications. #
@PuneSIMS
 # SIMSARC # BITCOIN



Source: https://twitter.com/PuneSIMS/status/1074536827573293056

Also not satisfied with it, he said he has 250,000 BTC.

Until Andreas Anotonopoulos ...


Source: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1191007637355323392

No one found out how this guy got a space there for the presentation, and apparently cheated the entire audience.
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November 04, 2019, 09:29:48 PM

I see we've touched the 200 MDA today at 9.6K. 
I suspect this isn't going to stop here.  Seems like many expect resistance at 10K so I expect it to be broken just as it has many times before.   

Wow, 1st place in receiving October WO sm merits! Whoop whoop! Thanks everyone and fillipone for compiling and posting the data!  likely a one time honor
 


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November 04, 2019, 09:30:41 PM

seasteading -no
overpriced ranch -no
houseboat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58GhBzPJz4 Inside a $5.5M Floating Mansion in Miami | On The Market | Architectural Digest

Very affordable, and practical, too.  Better make sure that you have at least double that amount in your bank, though, before you go out and buy that baby.
lol you are wise beyond your words and a bit sarcastic I suspect. Yeah I'm not in the least interested in it except as a sort of sport - here's what some people aspire to or waste their money on. I can't see any point in investing in any lavish property until after any shenanigans or upheavals caused by bitcoin have settled down.
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November 04, 2019, 09:35:36 PM

I'm amazed how many people still haven't figured out the 4-year cycle and hang on the daily price movements...  I guess there's some truth to what they say, math is hard.
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November 04, 2019, 09:36:27 PM

Not sure about the sarcastic part, but personally I'd much rather spend the $5.5m on land. I'd look for something below $1m and the rest goes into some fund (which I'd manage) until I figure out what to do with it.

If I did have $11m, I probably still wouldn't buy a $5.5m floating house.
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November 04, 2019, 09:40:58 PM

~snip~

Poor students. This is how stupid their university is; imagine the outdated syllabus they all must be studying right now. Roll Eyes
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November 04, 2019, 09:56:46 PM


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Think about it. Imagine some unknown avatar monkey joins a discussion forum to convince you to spend money on doubtful promises to get more money.
Now doesn't that remind you of a certain prince from nigeria?

If you would accept, wouldn't you do this KNOWING you're an idiot?
Nobody is an idiot here.
Well, except r0ach. And the unknown monkey dude.

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November 04, 2019, 09:56:56 PM

I'm amazed how many people still haven't figured out the 4-year cycle and hang on the daily price movements...  I guess there's some truth to what they say, math is hard.

Og, I’d be interested to get your prediction of a top for the next parabolic pump & an estimated date.

I think $100,000 plus in Q4 2021.
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November 04, 2019, 10:00:27 PM

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

When I was reading that article I was thinking of all the times R0ach was spewing that shit in here lol,
for a brief moment I thought they interviewed him.

Nevertheless we all know tether and bitfinex are up to some shady shit, just another day in crypto. Grab some popcorn and watch that beautiful green thick dildo rise up.
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November 04, 2019, 10:09:28 PM

Guys, At a SIMS convention At the Symbiosis International University a fake Satoshi appeared, named Jorg Molt where he was introduced as the "co-founder of Bitcoin."

Why would anyone want to be known as the founder of the biggest Ponzi scam ever created?
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November 04, 2019, 10:16:08 PM
Last edit: November 04, 2019, 10:28:56 PM by dragonvslinux

Currently testing the descending triangle resistance on the 4 hr, therefore next hours candle close will be important.
Bare in mind the 1 hr will be on a TD 9 so don't be surprised by any big price moves...



Please note, I'm not getting "rekt" at the moment. This was a neutral call due to the 200 Day MA support invalidating the bearish setup for me.
I'm posting this for benefit of seeing if we invalidate the bearish pattern of a descending triangle, and return to the classic bull flag.


"Please note, I'm not getting "rekt" at the moment."

Good for you.  Tongue


I am also going to note that you should not be relying too much on stupid-ass charts that attempt to treat bitcoin as if it were a mature asset and fail and refuse to incorporate either bitcoin's currently low level of adoption and underlying s-curve exponential components that bias UPPITY rather than other scenarios (such as flat or downity).

In other words, TLDR, you deserve to get rekt (even if you are not) if your chart relies on too many incomplete presumptions.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Too many assumptions, not enough logic. FYI my trading account is only ever 10-15% of my BTC holdings, so go figure  Roll Eyes
If I get "rekt", is because my BTC hodl is going up. If I win, it's because I'm losing overall BTC value.
Some people  Tongue

Hey.  Fair enough if your trading portion is only 10-15% of your total holdings.  That is decently prudent, so I find difficulties criticizing you on that aspect.

Your remaining assertion about the meaning of "getting r3ckt" is quite a puzzle.  Roll Eyes  You seem to be trying to suggest that either there is NO way for you to get r3ckt or that getting r3ckt means something other than a traditional understanding of it.

I do agree that if you are trading with ONLY about 10-15% of your total holdings then it becomes quite difficult to get r3ckt in any traditional understanding of the r3ckt concept.

Now, get out there trooper, and trade some BTCs!!!!!!!!!  That's an order.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You're right it's possible for me to get r3kt™️, probably from fakeouts where I was in the right short trade but got tapped out at a loss prior to my hodl position continuing to lose money after I've lost my hedge. When it comes to bull traps I generally try and avoid them, as if I'm already 85-90% long, I don't want to increase my risk. It's worth considering though.

This probably explains my natural trading bias to some degree, maybe my TA requires a disclaimer because of it. But ultimately I apologize for being the pessimistic bull, that by your standard deserves to get rekt™️, but so far hasn't and is otherwise unlikely to happen due to position sizing, risk management and generally avoiding bull traps. The only way I will get truely rekt™️, is if BTC goes below $4K. Then I iz a r3kt™️ moonboy like any other post-2017 moonboy hopes and dreams getting r3kt™️ r3kt™️ r3kt™️.

To let you down even more, I won't be going out there to trade any satoshis, I'm avoiding buying resistance that's a big open space of bull trap, as well as avoiding any foolish bear traps wicking under the 200 Day MA. I'm remaining neutral, believe it or not. Even if I'll retain my bearish bias regardless of lack of confirmation.

Just got a new job to start dollar-cost averaging though, hope that makes you feel better.
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November 04, 2019, 10:20:24 PM

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

When I was reading that article I was thinking of all the times R0ach was spewing that shit in here lol,
for a brief moment I thought they interviewed him.

Nevertheless we all know tether and bitfinex are up to some shady shit, just another day in crypto. Grab some popcorn and watch that beautiful green thick dildo rise up.

You have overlooked the real issue here.  CNBC is just a Jewish occupied government mouthpiece, so they already know EXACTLY WHO this single entity is controlling the price at Bitfinex.  Why do they pretend not to know??? Governments easily already have this information.

Bitfinex should have been shut down LONG AGO for all the fraud and bullshit they've done.  They literally did the exact same thing as MtGox, traded with customer funds, then imploded, steals all customer deposits, then just reopened like nothing ever happened, and nobody goes to jail at all.  Why does every government on earth refuse to touch them?  These are the questions you should be asking.  Hell, maybe they even want Bitcoin to become a giant bubble based on fraud on purpose, then cause it to implode and say "Oh, see, Bitcoin went to zero and this is why we need IMFCoin run by international Jews to stop anyone from losing money in unregulated markets."
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November 04, 2019, 10:24:50 PM

When you’re balls deep in physical metals & bitcoin pumps

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November 04, 2019, 10:25:11 PM

Now, get out there trooper, and trade some BTCs!!!!!!!!!  That's an order.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

My bad, I'm waiting for confirmation, but planning to short the bullish broadening wedge with a tight stop loss if that's ok with you?
If you could confirm within the next 96 minutes before the close it'd be appreciated  Cheesy
I drew this chart just for you. To show you that we're in a bullish pattern, but I still want to short it  Tongue



I'll long again at the 200 Day MA (the support trend-line) I promise  Wink
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November 04, 2019, 10:28:15 PM

OT: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/04/study-single-anonymous-market-manipulator-pushed-bitcoin-to-20000.html

Funny that this hit piece was designed to discourage people from buying Bitcoin. But instead (whether true or not) it's actually a positive.

If this happened with supposedly just one manipulator, just imagine what would happen next time with "multiple" deep pocket manipulators? Perhaps hundreds? Lol

#getinb4moon

Free full text:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3195066

I have not the knowledge to review the methodology, but tether were for sure a balloon full of shit. I hope it already exploded.
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