Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[wachtwoord]

Only if you accept volatility as a proxy for risk. I take issue with that assumption.

How do you evaluate the risk then?

Qualitatively.

Or the difference between the implied annualized rate of return and the risk free rate, if you want the market's opinion.

[cAPSLOCK]

I hope BMB is doing OK 

I often think fondly and hopefully of him, as well.

[willope]

"person of the year"

Belgian news

Maybe product of the year.

[Phil_S]

I think i found something interesting. Bitcoin 15th dec is very important. At least it was very important in 2017 and 2018! What happened on that day? On 15th dec 2017 bitcoin made ATH almost 20k. On the 15th dec 2018 it bottomed at 3k. Could 15th dec 2019 have reversal again?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208757.msg53318853#msg53318853

I dunno, we were at the peak of an epic bullish rise in December 2017. We were at the absolute, depressing low of the last bear market in December 2018.

It seems December 2019 is like neither of the above, just an accumulation phase. The halving is in May 2020, the current situation is probably more similar to December 2015 or December 2016 (i.e. nothing-ness).

HM promised us mid-December doom-and-gloom, which I assume means 6400, but we'll see.

Dec 15th is Sunday, all kinds of crazyness could happen on a Sunday.

[gembitz]

mic, these NOCOINER haters ALWAYS know what the price is. They ask like, ‘how’s bitcoin doing’. They know because they always look. They’re so jealous & worried about what will/could happen with the price that they look even when they don’t own any.

My gf’s family are exactly the same. They sometimes have a little dig (nasty comment) when the price is not doing good. The thing is I’m not much of an asshole but I should be. I should say ‘bitcoin is doing fine actually, I could buy all of your houses without a mortgage right now with my bitcoin’s’.

I will wait until it’s six figures per bitcoin & start handing out sats to them like I do when I give change to homeless people in my town when I shop.

In life there are so many jealous, bitter people. It’s easy to tell who they are. The one’s who can’t help but drop a hateful comment here & there. It helps them forget about how shit their own lives are. There are plenty of people like that here - r0ach, The-One-Above-All etc.

~how's tether doing? lol

[infofront]

Maybe we should have a WO person of the year poll  

My vote goes to gembitz

[LFC_Bitcoin]

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Same right here, don’t @ me

[El duderino_]

Maybe we should have a WO person of the year poll  

My vote goes to gembitz

And post of the year

“Weeeeee”

[serveria.com]

Maybe we should have a WO person of the year poll  

My vote goes to gembitz

New poll idea?  

Meanwhile, we keep slowly bleeding ~$7.1 now already...

[Bitcoinaire]

Let this drop already and get it over with.

[Cryptotourist]

Maybe we should have a WO person of the year poll pole

My vote goes to gembitz

He's already in weee mode.

[jojo69]

really?

you guys getting your talking points from Trump Jr. now?

[cAPSLOCK]

Hey - looooong time lurker ..... longer time holder. Think this may be my first time posting.

Long time interested in earning interest. To date, all methods of doing that just seemed like a good way to lose whatever coin I elected to lend.

However, been looking at blockfi lately.

Anyone have any experience with it?

I do not.  But I think it is worth considering the track records of trusted third parties holding the keys to "your" bitcoin, and how that makes it effectively their bitcoin, and exposes you to all the counterparty risk that brings with it.

BlockFi may be a perfectly good organization, as were/are some organizations this list (which is not complete):

2011

    Mt. Gox
    Bitcoin7

2012

    Bitcoinica
    Bitcoinica
    Bitcoinica
    Bitfloor

2013

    Vicurex
    PicoStocks
    PicoStocks

2014

    Mt. Gox
    Cryptorush
    Poloniex
    Bitcurex
    Cryptsy
    BTER
    MintPal
    KipCoin
    BitPay

2015

    796Exchange
    Bitstamp
    BTER

2016

    ShapeShift
    Gatecoin
    Bitfinex
    Bitcurex

2017

    Bithumb
    YouBit
    YouBit

2018

    Coincheck
    BitGrail
    Taylor
    Coinrail
    Bancor
    Zaif

2019

    Cryptopia

[becoin]

Hey - looooong time lurker ..... longer time holder. Think this may be my first time posting.

Long time interested in earning interest. To date, all methods of doing that just seemed like a good way to lose whatever coin I elected to lend.

However, been looking at blockfi lately.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Paying interest in bitcoins is a very simple play. Scammers will get your bitcoins with pleasure and sell them for fiat at the very moment they get them. They will even pay you interest if bitcoin price goes down and will show you the middle finger if price goes up. This is why only retards are looking for places where they can deposit their bitcoins to earn interest!

[psycodad]

Hey - looooong time lurker ..... longer time holder. Think this may be my first time posting.

Long time interested in earning interest. To date, all methods of doing that just seemed like a good way to lose whatever coin I elected to lend.

However, been looking at blockfi lately.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Check this thread for some recent discussion on this topic:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5204092

I am currently testing a few of these services (with mixed results) and blockfi is still one of them. I'll probably be posting my results after some time to above thread.

But generally, as cAPSLOCK implied: Not your keys - not your coins. Don't forget that and make sure the return is worth the risk.
Even the most-uber-trusted entity can lose all your funds any time.

[infofront]

Hey - looooong time lurker ..... longer time holder. Think this may be my first time posting.

Long time interested in earning interest. To date, all methods of doing that just seemed like a good way to lose whatever coin I elected to lend.

However, been looking at blockfi lately.

Anyone have any experience with it?

I was too quick to hit the delete button on this post. I had a brain fart and thought blockfi was scamcoin (maybe not too far off)

[Tweak25]

Hey - looooong time lurker ..... longer time holder. Think this may be my first time posting.

Long time interested in earning interest. To date, all methods of doing that just seemed like a good way to lose whatever coin I elected to lend.

However, been looking at blockfi lately.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Paying interest in bitcoins is a very simple play. Scammers will get your bitcoins with pleasure and sell them for fiat at the very moment they get them. They will even pay you interest if bitcoin price goes down and will show you the middle finger if price goes up. This is why only retards are looking for places where they can deposit their bitcoins to earn interest!

Thanks for reminding me why I don't post.

Appreciate the link psycodad - will be interested to see your experience.

[JayJuanGee]

I like this chico guy.

Can't get it outta my head, could it be that Chico=Lambie?
Certainly full of it.

JJG, analysis.

Hahahaha.  I have only seen Chico on a couple of his video presentations, and I recall seeing him on some earlier one(s) too.  I don't really believe that he is much of a role model for really attempting to understand what is actually going on in bitcoin, at least for me to involve myself with trying to figure out his various ongoing conspiracy theories.

He does make some outlandish statements, similar to what Lambie does, but Lambie surely seems to be a bit of a different cat in terms of perspective, to the extent that we can really rely on the constructed results of internet personas. 

Lambie does not really seem to be into conspiracy theories, even when he is making his dumbass price predictions, because even we know that constructs, such as bargain boyz are merely illustrative attempts to make his point rather than real entities, and overall, Lambie seems to be generally bullish about bitcoin, and exaggeratedly so (but of course this could be a construct, too), though for some reason, he seems to want to be a BTC price sorcerer... in order to be worshiped. 

Maybe Chico seems to have a more modest personality in terms of the desire to be worshiped aspect, if that is possible? I know Chico is regularly on Video so there has be some desire for attention, at least.

Chico, on the other hand, does not seem to be too positive about bitcoin, even though he does seem to make some bullish or accurate statements about bitcoin, once in a while, but he seems like the kind of guy that never saw a conspiracy that he did not want to explore from a negative (or is it titalating?) angle.. and then put together all of the conspiracies in order to arrive at some kind of shocking (or is it revealing?) but discombobulated nonsense.

[JayJuanGee]

Unexpectedly, despite a ROI 4 times higher than S&P500 since the beginning of the year, the Sharpe ratio of BTC is only a little bit lower than the S&P500 one.
It means BTC isn't disproportionately risky for such a ROI.

The Sharpe ratio was developed by Nobel laureate William F. Sharpe and is used to help investors understand the return of an investment compared to its risk. The ratio is the average return earned in excess of the risk-free rate per unit of volatility or total risk.
Subtracting the risk-free rate from the mean return allows an investor to better isolate the profits associated with risk-taking activities. Generally, the greater the value of the Sharpe ratio, the more attractive the risk-adjusted return.​

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sharperatio.asp   

What is the source of that investment comparison chart, though?

[edited out]   

Thanks for the information but I'm still wondering how a lot of people comment about making losses through their bitcoin investment and i guess that happens through their impatient habit.
With that been said, the above picture stated December 31, 2018, and there's a chance for the price of each market to dump before it the last day of this year.

Good point.  The chart is from last year, no?

[JayJuanGee]

I think i found something interesting. Bitcoin 15th dec is very important. At least it was very important in 2017 and 2018! What happened on that day? On 15th dec 2017 bitcoin made ATH almost 20k. On the 15th dec 2018 it bottomed at 3k. Could 15th dec 2019 have reversal again?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208757.msg53318853#msg53318853

I dunno, we were at the peak of an epic bullish rise in December 2017. We were at the absolute, depressing low of the last bear market in December 2018.

It seems December 2019 is like neither of the above, just an accumulation phase. The halving is in May 2020, the current situation is probably more similar to December 2015 or December 2016 (i.e. nothing-ness).

Allright then! ACcording to Gann theory the 22th December is very important. Maybe some whales who are rich AF do know this or they just buy or trade before this 22th dec date. 2017 and 2018 december were not the only bottoms. It's 2013 the bottom (flash crash) and in 2016 it was before the pump.

Oh gawd!!!!  Not another numerologous?

Making me miss the numerology of Torque.....     At least Torque attempted to include a few more factors, but you, jupiter9, might be in the early stages of developing your numerology theories... ?  Perhaps?