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[marcus_of_augustus]

You would come across a lot better if you dropped the insulting attitude BTW

... just dressing for the occasion. I didn't create the cesspit this place has become.

[DaRude]

no one wants to test those walls on bitfinex.

smells like another bull trap in the making.

I just noticed that USD swaps on bitfinex never went under 10 millions since the november 2013. bubble.

Unless those walls get tired of waiting  

They were there yesterday so don't count on it

Yeah and no one took them for two days now. If you want to exit and have few thousand BTC here's your perfect opportunity to do so without much slippage on Finex. Now if you want to buy BTC10k you either have to pay for slippage or just put up a wall and hope someone will bite

[phoenix1]

You would come across a lot better if you dropped the insulting attitude BTW

... just dressing for the occasion. I didn't create the cesspit this place has become.

Do you think that will help ? I don't
Not disagreeing about the amount of drivel and trolls in here though  

[gentlemand]

You would come across a lot better if you dropped the insulting attitude BTW

... just dressing for the occasion. I didn't create the cesspit this place has become.

Do you think that will help ? I don't
Not disagreeing about the amount of drivel and trolls in here though  

He's just riding the mood, you big poo head.

[YourMother]

The stupid token just bores me to death right now. I'm waiting for those twinkledouchebags to release some cosmic countdowns for their exchange or something. Two, three days is just too much to wait for the final capitulation dump.

[janos666]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

[phoenix1]

You would come across a lot better if you dropped the insulting attitude BTW

... just dressing for the occasion. I didn't create the cesspit this place has become.

Do you think that will help ? I don't
Not disagreeing about the amount of drivel and trolls in here though  

He's just riding the mood, you big poo head.

[tarmi]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

why did karpeles? he had millions form the fees and yet he destroyed his gold mine.

I think the answer is quite simple - he was a poor fucker who wanted more. if spice stops to flow for some reason you can always cook your books and manipulate order books with non existing fiat/coins.

[damiano]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

I will never trade there again.  I use Okcoin now and I like the interface and iOS app.  I prefer trading futures since I can deposit a small amount and get a good trading position.  I'm not a fan of leaving coins on an exchange.. Also the live help is fantastic

[medialab101]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

why did karpeles? he had millions form the fees and yet he destroyed his gold mine.

I think the answer is quite simple - he was a poor fucker who wanted more. if spice stops to flow for some reason you can always cook your books and manipulate order books.

Imagine that all the BTC Finex have available for swaps are made up. They use them to short the price and build up huge reserves of cash while driving down the price. At the right time, after they have used the cash they drained out of the ecosystem to buy enough artificially cheap coins, they  stop shorting and start letting the price naturally correct.... profit...

[marcus_of_augustus]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/brazils-economy-verge-total-collapse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/mexican-peso-collapsing

brazilian Real and mexican Peso fiat pyramid schemes unravelling faster than usual

[ChartBuddy]

Coin
Explanation

[tarmi]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

why did karpeles? he had millions form the fees and yet he destroyed his gold mine.

I think the answer is quite simple - he was a poor fucker who wanted more. if spice stops to flow for some reason you can always cook your books and manipulate order books.

Imagine that all the BTC Finex have available for swaps are made up. They use them to short the price and build up huge reserves of cash while driving down the price. At the right time, after they have used the cash they drained out of the ecosystem to buy enough artificially cheap coins, they  stop shorting and start letting the price naturally correct.... profit...

unlikely.

if something is made up then it must be cash.  when cash dries up you come with a hack or withdrawing story.

[medialab101]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

why did karpeles? he had millions form the fees and yet he destroyed his gold mine.

I think the answer is quite simple - he was a poor fucker who wanted more. if spice stops to flow for some reason you can always cook your books and manipulate order books.

Imagine that all the BTC Finex have available for swaps are made up. They use them to short the price and build up huge reserves of cash while driving down the price. At the right time, after they have used the cash they drained out of the ecosystem to buy enough artificially cheap coins, they  stop shorting and start letting the price naturally correct.... profit...

unlikely.

if something is made up then it must be cash.  when cash dries up you come with a hack or withdrawing story.

Can you explain why this is unlikely?

Bitcoin available for swaps would never leave the internal ledger books if they were lending them to themselves.

[solex]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/brazils-economy-verge-total-collapse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/mexican-peso-collapsing

brazilian Real and mexican Peso fiat pyramid schemes unravelling faster than usual

Luckily, on a bitcoin forum, it is highly unlikely anyone would have serious savings in Brazilian reals.

[podyx]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/brazils-economy-verge-total-collapse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/mexican-peso-collapsing

brazilian Real and mexican Peso fiat pyramid schemes unravelling faster than usual

Like it isn't destined for paper currencies to go to shit...

[tarmi]

I am thinking of opening an account on bitfinex, unless somebody advises against it, if not would anybody have a referred code for it? thanks

Bitfinex with their inside trading (manipulating).. could be new Gox soon. So yah, deposit only as much as you are willing to risk.

You logic doesn't make sense to me.
Assuming their insider information really helps them to gain an effective advantage and thus continuously make them money then you should assume they want to keep this operation running (as is) as long as possible. Why would you assume they are and will continue to constantly loosing money while trying to exploit their presumed (but technically proven to be ineffective) advantage (assuming they make more losses than profits) or choose to steal everything (thus becoming actual criminals) rather than continuing an already profitable operation (without effective legal problems)?

I think the Gox insider trading (Markus/Willy) was presumed to be a last (failed) attempt to recover funds which had been lost already (due to an earlier hack). But the new theories tend to think otherwise (those bots didn't belong to Karpeles but a [inside or outside] hacker who used them to steal the funds).

Well... they admitted inside trading. They already have a gold mine (fees + lending), so why would they need to destroy they reputation with inside trading? I would say there is something wrong. I did a lot of trading there and I still do, but only with a small % of my coins. Just my thoughts

why did karpeles? he had millions form the fees and yet he destroyed his gold mine.

I think the answer is quite simple - he was a poor fucker who wanted more. if spice stops to flow for some reason you can always cook your books and manipulate order books.

Imagine that all the BTC Finex have available for swaps are made up. They use them to short the price and build up huge reserves of cash while driving down the price. At the right time, after they have used the cash they drained out of the ecosystem to buy enough artificially cheap coins, they  stop shorting and start letting the price naturally correct.... profit...

unlikely.

if something is made up then it must be cash.  when cash dries up you come with a hack or withdrawing story.

Can you explain why this is unlikely?

Bitcoin available for swaps would never leave the internal ledger books if they were lending them to themselves.

sooner or later someone will try to buy and withdraw those non existing coins.

fiat it is much easier to manipulate and it can be created from thin air easily.

bitcoiners learned from the best.

[marcus_of_augustus]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/brazils-economy-verge-total-collapse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/mexican-peso-collapsing

brazilian Real and mexican Peso fiat pyramid schemes unravelling faster than usual

Luckily, on a bitcoin forum, it is highly unlikely anyone would have serious savings in Brazilian reals.

yea, you are probably right.

Brazilian Reals look like a complete Amway product hype network marketing ploy, can't believe anybody would have fallen for them, I mean where's the technological backing? Once the Brazilian goverment runs out of new marks to foist debt onto the whole thing will implode on itself.

[ejinte]

the 2.0 space is going to be much bigger by the end of the year. one of them is going to cause another wave of insane innovation.

Maidsafe

[Bernard Lerring]

How does MaidSafe differ from StorJ?

Edit: off-topic, but there's nothing else to talk about in this thread tonight!