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February 01, 2015, 12:09:19 AM

...  velocity of money ...
What's interesting about money velocity is it's range. Average time bitcoin is held can vary from 10 minutes (confirmation time) to 20 years (retirement money), that is in million times. That is if bitcoin perception in user's mind changes from "hot potato" to "gold", it price will increase million-fold.
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February 01, 2015, 12:12:06 AM

Just bought more at 216. I don't worry. Cheesy

funny enough for some reason that was a buy in point i picked as well

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still wouldn't mind further drops

Madness is contagious.
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February 01, 2015, 12:12:34 AM

Just bought more at 216. I don't worry. Cheesy

funny enough for some reason that was a buy in point i picked as well

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still wouldn't mind further drops

Put a stop loss on in case of further drops.
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February 01, 2015, 12:15:27 AM

buy orders at 136
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February 01, 2015, 12:20:23 AM

Someone borrowed 4k to dump into that wall on Finex.
Gotta buy em back at some point.
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February 01, 2015, 12:22:11 AM

Shrooomsie....Cheap coinnsssssssssssssss!!!!!
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February 01, 2015, 12:25:49 AM

Someone borrowed 4k to dump into that wall on Finex.
Gotta buy em back at some point.

hmm was going to ask for a source but    602.22   Flash Return Rate (current: 0.0176%)   
was at 4900 coins last i seen so someone(s) sure did borrow a ton of coins recently
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February 01, 2015, 12:28:19 AM

Someone borrowed 4k to dump into that wall on Finex.
Gotta buy em back at some point.

hmm was going to ask for a source but    602.22   Flash Return Rate (current: 0.0176%)   
was at 4900 coins last i seen so someone(s) sure did borrow a ton of coins recently

http://bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals.php
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February 01, 2015, 12:28:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9k_7dklcfg
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February 01, 2015, 12:31:10 AM

Someone borrowed 4k to dump into that wall on Finex.
Gotta buy em back at some point.

hmm was going to ask for a source but    602.22   Flash Return Rate (current: 0.0176%)   
was at 4900 coins last i seen so someone(s) sure did borrow a ton of coins recently

http://bfxdata.com/swaphistory/totals.php

Longs are down. I think it was like 15,250,xxx 12 hrs ago
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February 01, 2015, 12:33:47 AM

I have noticed too. In fact, nothing in the real world seems to be relevant to bitcoin price.


You hit the nail on the head. 

Bitcoin is all about mining and speculation.  The equilibrium is reached when when the amount of fresh cash for speculation equals the amount paid for the electricity by miners.
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February 01, 2015, 12:36:55 AM

KK guys y'ready? Put on your Depends & get primed for that sweet ~$120-137 all-in leveraged buy on 'Finex/BTC.SX, it's gonna be =BROWN= <3

Just a few days more, or maybe a couple weeks of sideways around $180-200 first.

Also, ^post above me speaks truth.
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February 01, 2015, 12:37:37 AM



I guess we could always lower the difficulty (again)?
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February 01, 2015, 12:39:48 AM

Shorts up another 5k to 19,000. Didnt take long for those to pile on. It is going to take a few more skinnings to make people afraid to short btc.
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February 01, 2015, 12:42:56 AM



I guess we could always lower the difficulty (again)?

Difficulty won't drop as fast as you think
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February 01, 2015, 12:43:54 AM

Shorts up another 5k to 19,000. Didnt take long for those to pile on. It is going to take a few more skinnings to make people afraid to short btc.

Almost 20k actually
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February 01, 2015, 12:43:57 AM

Shorts up another 5k to 19,000. Didnt take long for those to pile on. It is going to take a few more skinnings to make people afraid to short btc.

Hope they don't trade with leverage.
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February 01, 2015, 12:47:52 AM

Noob question. Is there a way for one to somehow value this instrument for market vs intrinsic value..

If you value it by expected future cash flow, you get an easy answer: zero. 

So, Bitcoin is in a same situation as all the other fiats in the world. 

And it's a little bit worse.  If Bitcoin was a currency of a small country,  all the inflation would be happening outside of the country, and it would be guaranteed to hit the exchanges and influence the exchange rate, pushing it down.

We know this because miners must pay running costs in other currencies, so all those costs must go trough the exchanges.  In this model, exports from Bitcoin country would be speculative buying, or buying to use Bitcoins.  The size of influence of this "inflation as imports" model depends on the depths of orderbooks on bitcoin to fiat exchanges.

So, once the speculative buying stops, Bitcoin has nowhere to go but down, as all the existing bids on the exchanges are eaten and ultimately converted into excess heat.
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February 01, 2015, 12:47:59 AM

GAME OVER MAN

GAME OVER
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February 01, 2015, 12:50:42 AM

just spent 10$ in bitcoin..

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aaaaaaand iv earned it back... Cheesy
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