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February 10, 2015, 02:02:43 PM

was curious the other day as to what the global illicit drug trafficking statistics were ... yknow ... since that's probably the only better real world use for bitcoin vs other transaction methods ... and wiki puts it at between 400 billion usd and 4000 billion usd (it being somewhat difficult to estimate such things) ... per year ... putting it in the same league as the oil/petrochemical industry , food supply industry , arms industry ,  etc ... yeah i was shocked at how huge a number it is too ... global economy total production is what? ... 72 trillion a year and illicit drugs make up perhaps as much as 4 trillion of the 72 ... so if you folks want to know what will save bitcoin ... it'll be when major multinational drug cartels decide to adopt bitcoin instead of ... yknow ... duffel bags of cash and crates of guns ... a couple trillion dollars a year of trafficking trade volume would probably push the price up huh ? ... at this point i'm pretty sure that's what can do it , not mass adoption ...
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Beware the beast Bitcoiner, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he scams for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will betray his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

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February 10, 2015, 02:07:03 PM

ok...this feels like talking to that old bartender that told me no one needs the internet...he never used it so there is no use in it

is this part of your computer science 101 lesson you punish your students with?
at my alma mater (Technical University Vienna) our prof was more creative than that...i guess he is a much more interesting prof at all (he is also really affine with pop culture or things that are moving the tech world while your pop reference was talk shows and homer simpson...that is kind of lame)

but we had a similar exercise....make a photograph of everything that is software broken (like atm's or tv showscreens)...i made a lot of bluescreen pictures or stuck windows booting screens back then
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February 10, 2015, 02:13:36 PM


11h31m left. This mofo is going To Da Moon and Beyond!

http://new.livestream.com/spacex/events/3783845

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at my alma mater (Technical University Vienna) ...i made a lot of bluescreen pictures or stuck windows booting screens back then

Which doctorate program?
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-By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine's. (c)Krugman.

Since I haven't been called a retard enough recently, let me suggest this experiment:   Grin

Get your tablet or smartphone, or some old-fashioned pencil and paper

Take a 1 hour walk around your neighborhood

Make two lists, with everything material that you see that is there, is not there, or is different than would have been otherwise, because of (a) the internet, (b) the fax machine.

(By "material" I mean objects -- not merely the text or pictures on store signs, windows, billlboards, computer screens, etc..  For example, you may notice that, because of the internet, the newspaper kiosk or vending machines at the street corner have disappeared: that counts.  You will see URLs or QR codes on signs, instead of telephone numbers: that does not count.  You may see the building of some internet venture that employs dozens of people and is making piles of money: that does not count, because, without the internet, there would probably have been a building of some other company there, employing dozens of people and making piles of money with some other business, computer-related or not.)

If you are too lazy to take the walk, do the same inside your home or place of work. (But actually get up and walk, do not just sit there and make a mental walk, you bum!)

If you are too lazy even for that, think of all the people you know, and note which ones have had their lives substantially changed because of the internet. (If the guy would be sitting on a desk 9 to 5 anyway, pushing numbers and writing reports,it does not matter whether he uses the internet or not.)

If you are too lazy even for that, at least note the following: what you see on your computer screen, on TV, on newspapers and magazines, is not the world, it is just images of the world.  Just because the images have changed, it does not mean that the world has.

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-Bitcoin is evil. (c)Krugman.

After you have done your homework above, there will be a quiz on this subject too.   Grin


To claim that the (continuing) impact of the internet, which is now intertwined with society and with business, education, media, news, shopping..... is minor, or even as "insignificant" as the fax machine is nothing short of daft. Krugman was plainly wrong, plainly, plus, the internet as we know it was just the start, internet of things next, couple that with big data analytics,  automation and robotics, decentralised and blockchain technologies, etc  and we are literally only just at the start of what the internet can do, make no mistake the world is on the cusp of more huge changes. The internet is playing its role.  Krugman was suggesting that by 2005 internet would have reached its peak of usefulness.. well he was wrong, and it is now 2015, and the internet is just getting its boots on, there was no final whistle blown in 2005, Krugman was wrong, and the internet is still here, and what is more it is about to grow at an exponential rate (as the remaining population are brought online and as the internet of things becomes a reality)

Krugman is a numpty.

Besides the impact of the fax machine was nothing to be sniffed at.

Sometimes people get it wrong-

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943

 "Television won't be able to hold on to any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night." Darryl Zanuck, executive at 20th Century Fox, 1946

 "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." Ken Olsen, founder of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

 "Almost all of the many predictions now being made about 1996 hinge on the Internet's continuing exponential growth. But I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 catastrophically collapse." - Robert Metcalfe, 1995

"Two years from now, spam will be solved." - Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, 2004

It is not always obvious what will and what will not happen.... though, personally and without doubt, the second I heard of the internet in the 90's.. I knew that it was a hugely significant event for humans, for society... and it is.

It may not all have happened quite as fast as some predicted, but the effects of the internet, on every aspect of society are going to grow more and more profound, and they are going to accelerate.  It was the case 20 - 30 years ago, that when futurists made tech predictions, the good ones at least were right, but optimistic on the timescales. Nowadays it seems to be the other way around, there are leaps being made in technology, that a few years ago, we were told, would take 10-15 years to become reality, and in fact they are starting to occur already.

Fax machines were great.

The internet is far superior and more useful.

It is safe to say that "the future IS already here... it is just not evenly distributed"    is becoming closer to being true on a daily basis.

Does anyone really think that the internet is not going to continue to be hugely significant going into the future?

No.
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February 10, 2015, 02:21:59 PM


i am not a doctor...but that was one of the 101 programs
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February 10, 2015, 02:24:23 PM

do you guys think sub $100 coins are still possible?
Those days are over.
Buy in now.
We won't go below 180 ever again.

Don't talk in absolutes. You cannot know that.
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i am not a doctor...but that was one of the 101 programs
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Ah, I see.  Sorry for my ignorance, don't know much about Australia, just the usual stuff--Fin de siecle/Vienna Secession, Vienna sausages, Crocodile Dundee, Nazis, Kangaroos--that sort of thing.
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i am not a doctor...but that was one of the 101 programs
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Ah, I see.  Sorry for my ignorance, don't know much about Australia, just the usual stuff--Fin de siecle/Vienna Secession, Vienna sausages, Crocodile Dundee, Nazis, Kangaroos--that sort of thing.
fun fact...we call them frankfurter sausages
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February 10, 2015, 02:34:40 PM

[super unfair mean stuff that's totally wrong too]

Oh yeah?  Then how do you explain this undeniable exponential growth over the last half hour, huh?

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February 10, 2015, 02:42:47 PM

Has fonzie turned bearish again? Or was it the bullish one that went by the handle "fonsie" I think I lost track of these things, can someone give a short heads-up on what happened here?

Fonsie is a permabull. Fonzie talks his book. You're welcome.
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http://bitforum.info/t/a-50-drop-in-cryptocurrency-transactions-this-year-is-imminent/226?u=angelo/

"Juniper Research's recent report said that volume of the transactions made by cryptocurrency will be decreasing by 50% as we approach the end of 2015.

Dr. Windsor Holden who authored the study, gave different factors as proof why he reached that conclusion. The study mentioned Dogecoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin for their strong 2014 start, but also cited a 5% value drop in dollars in the transactions they made on the same year. It was implied that these drops might reach 50% by the end of this year.

Although big companies and leading retailers are now considers Bitcoin as a payment option, the report is still not on our side. According to the study, they believe that the cryptocurrency technology does not appeal to the "not-so-tech-savvy" people. This means, although big merchants and businesses are now accepting bitcoin, that will not solve the problem. To solve it, user adoption should increase as well.

Dr. Holden further added more factors about the result of their research. For example, he doesn't believe that cryptocurrency regulation and licensed exchanges will not be of help in cryptocurrency's stabilize its economy because of the fact that people stay away from dealing with it because they feel unsecured, a result of the incidents that happened in Mt. Gox and Bitstamp...."

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http://bitforum.info/t/a-50-drop-in-cryptocurrency-transactions-this-year-is-imminent/226?u=angelo/

"Juniper Research's recent report said that volume of the transactions made by cryptocurrency will be decreasing by 50% as we approach the end of 2015.

Dr. Windsor Holden who authored the study, gave different factors as proof why he reached that conclusion. The study mentioned Dogecoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin for their strong 2014 start, but also cited a 5% value drop in dollars in the transactions they made on the same year. It was implied that these drops might reach 50% by the end of this year.

Although big companies and leading retailers are now considers Bitcoin as a payment option, the report is still not on our side. According to the study, they believe that the cryptocurrency technology does not appeal to the "not-so-tech-savvy" people. This means, although big merchants and businesses are now accepting bitcoin, that will not solve the problem. To solve it, user adoption should increase as well.

Dr. Holden further added more factors about the result of their research. For example, he doesn't believe that cryptocurrency regulation and licensed exchanges will not be of help in cryptocurrency's stabilize its economy because of the fact that people stay away from dealing with it because they feel unsecured, a result of the incidents that happened in Mt. Gox and Bitstamp...."

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http://bitforum.info/t/a-50-drop-in-cryptocurrency-transactions-this-year-is-imminent/226?u=angelo/

"Juniper Research's recent report said that volume of the transactions made by cryptocurrency will be decreasing by 50% as we approach the end of 2015.

Dr. Windsor Holden who authored the study, gave different factors as proof why he reached that conclusion. The study mentioned Dogecoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin for their strong 2014 start, but also cited a 5% value drop in dollars in the transactions they made on the same year. It was implied that these drops might reach 50% by the end of this year.

Although big companies and leading retailers are now considers Bitcoin as a payment option, the report is still not on our side. According to the study, they believe that the cryptocurrency technology does not appeal to the "not-so-tech-savvy" people. This means, although big merchants and businesses are now accepting bitcoin, that will not solve the problem. To solve it, user adoption should increase as well.

Dr. Holden further added more factors about the result of their research. For example, he doesn't believe that cryptocurrency regulation and licensed exchanges will not be of help in cryptocurrency's stabilize its economy because of the fact that people stay away from dealing with it because they feel unsecured, a result of the incidents that happened in Mt. Gox and Bitstamp...."

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last year they predicted BTC would fall to $10.

At least now they are less extremist
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http://bitforum.info/t/a-50-drop-in-cryptocurrency-transactions-this-year-is-imminent/226?u=angelo/

"Juniper Research's recent report said that volume of the transactions made by cryptocurrency will be decreasing by 50% as we approach the end of 2015.

Dr. Windsor Holden who authored the study, gave different factors as proof why he reached that conclusion. The study mentioned Dogecoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin for their strong 2014 start, but also cited a 5% value drop in dollars in the transactions they made on the same year. It was implied that these drops might reach 50% by the end of this year.

Although big companies and leading retailers are now considers Bitcoin as a payment option, the report is still not on our side. According to the study, they believe that the cryptocurrency technology does not appeal to the "not-so-tech-savvy" people. This means, although big merchants and businesses are now accepting bitcoin, that will not solve the problem. To solve it, user adoption should increase as well.

Dr. Holden further added more factors about the result of their research. For example, he doesn't believe that cryptocurrency regulation and licensed exchanges will not be of help in cryptocurrency's stabilize its economy because of the fact that people stay away from dealing with it because they feel unsecured, a result of the incidents that happened in Mt. Gox and Bitstamp...."

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For example, he doesn't believe that cryptocurrency regulation and licensed exchanges will not be of help in cryptocurrency's stabilize its economy because of the fact that people stay away from dealing with it because they feel unsecured

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