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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
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April 13, 2015, 08:53:53 PM

If most coins on exchanges aren't 'real'.
How does one ever find a bottom?
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April 13, 2015, 08:55:45 PM

If most coins on exchanges aren't 'real'.
How does one ever find a bottom?


trillion of dollars are not real too ... Roll Eyes
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April 13, 2015, 08:55:55 PM

The next 30 minutes really are critical.
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April 13, 2015, 08:56:17 PM

Fun fact to all the bears. We are still up about 30$ from this moment 3 months ago

So people who bought in then are still sitting pretty

11/07/2014 They said the support was holding at $650, the bottom must be in! it could only go up after some side ways!
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11/10/2014 They said the support was holding at $420, the bottom must be in! it could only go up after some side ways!
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11/01/2015 They said the support was holding at $260, the bottom must be in! it could only go up after some side ways!
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11/04/2015 They said the support is holding at $230, the bottom is in! it will only go up after some side ways!
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11/07/2015 They will say the support is holding at $30, the bottom is in! it will only go up after some side ways!
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Well they suck!

There is no bottom until $0 for bitcoin's final capitulation, Can't believe that they are still lying like this today!

Don't ever listen to bulltards again! They got you once you buy their sinking bitcoin ponzi coin bags!

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April 13, 2015, 08:56:46 PM

If most coins on exchanges aren't 'real'.
How does one ever find a bottom?


trillion of dollars are not real too ... Roll Eyes

Why compare fiat to bitcoin?
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April 13, 2015, 08:58:27 PM

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April 13, 2015, 08:59:17 PM

$210 incoming  Undecided
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April 13, 2015, 09:04:23 PM

If most coins on exchanges aren't 'real'.
How does one ever find a bottom?

(when all of the existing exchanges click off one by one just like mtgox did , each one having already/all along taken all real customer deposited fiat off the exchange and socked it away in swiss/caman banks then of course claim to be hacked and then proceeding to dump their previous customer's real stolen bitcoins into the next doomed fraudulent exchange so they can get that money from those actual stolen bitcoins as well as the stolen fiat and price goes to $0 as the last standing exchange implodes ... during which time the network will freeze at some point due to overscaled industrial mining operations shutting down en mass faster than difficulty can adjust down ... that's how we'll know the bottom is in)
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April 13, 2015, 09:05:22 PM

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Hovering this close to $200  Cry
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April 13, 2015, 09:11:27 PM

here we go boys!

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April 13, 2015, 09:12:31 PM

There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.
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April 13, 2015, 09:13:32 PM

These hors d'oeuvres were delightful....  

Tardy, but delightful.

Whet.

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April 13, 2015, 09:14:11 PM

There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.

Too expensive. Serious buying pressure expected at half this price.
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April 13, 2015, 09:14:20 PM

here we go boys!



If you are messing with me I'll hunt you down and.... tell you off!
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April 13, 2015, 09:17:03 PM

$210 incoming  Undecided

$150 is coming faster
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April 13, 2015, 09:17:41 PM

There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.

Too expensive. Serious buying pressure expected at half this price.

Don't say that! That is cruel!

Agree with you. I think mining cost is between $ 180 -200. So its not so much expensive.
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April 13, 2015, 09:17:53 PM

There doesn't seem to be much buying pressure here either. Nobody wants $223 coins.

Too expensive. Serious buying pressure expected at half this price.


shhhhh dont give away the plan
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April 13, 2015, 09:18:03 PM
Last edit: April 13, 2015, 09:35:45 PM by Wandererfromthenorth

Lots of talk from bears who are also losing money on their leveraged positions every day. I say talk because you have already sold or shorted - all you can do is yap or buy the price higher if the market turns.

Waiting for someone else to sell the price lower for you because line on a chart points down. Worked in 2011, right Xiao?
But it's not just a "line on a chart that points down" though.

It's bid sum still being ridiculously low (and still decreasing, while at the end of the 2013 bear market bid sum went nuts, and price clearly followed for example), it's decreasing volume on all exchanges since January (again, after a real capitulation like in 2013, the recovery should be panic buying on progressively increasing volume), the fact that the actual volume on the $150 bottom wasn't all that amazing (on chinese exchanges they are almost a standard volume bar), the fact that overall volume measured in USD in lower than in the 300-400 area especially on chinese exchanges, EW analysis, value of daily mined coins, short term (and also long term) support trend lines broken, recent weak price action etc.

And these are just the technicals.

You seem to have a particular liking for the mythical bidsum without coming clean that the visible order books are a mirage..

I have asked you before but you ignored it.

How much fiat is sat on the exchanges or in hidden bid orders?

And yes technicals are simply 'line on a chart points down or up' however you want to dress it up!

Painting the dance between the longs and shorts as being won currently by shorts is a little silly, lots more money backing the long position, and only a little more and shorts will cover - retail is shorting bitcoin right now, whilst real whales accumulate.
I remember but I actually answered that  Tongue

Edit: and how do you know how much money is sat on exchanges but not on the orderbook? Point us at a post where you predicted the november 2013 bubble!
Yes money sitting on the bids is not necessarily the money sitting on the exchange, but:

1: bid sum is an excellent predictor of BTC prices. History shows that the two are very well correlated. If it's price that contributes to a rise in bid sum or the other way around is irrelevant.
2: what we are interested in is how much demand changes, not necessarily in absolute terms. So changes in bid sum over time should give us a good indication of how much money in total (even if not sitting on the books) sitting on the exchange changes too.

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Painting the dance between the longs and shorts as being won currently by shorts is a little silly, lots more money backing the long position, and only a little more and shorts will cover - retail is shorting bitcoin right now, whilst real whales accumulate.
How can you say that? "retail is short and whales accumulate longs"? <- This is just an assumption.

Longs have always been a lot more than shorts on bitfinex since forever.

Few months ago longs were at $30 million as price heavily crashed (and never went back to previous levels again), so if all those longers were basically whales ("while the reail were short"), it sounds like the whales got owned by the retail, no? Can't really rely on them whales then  Grin


No but seriously, the quantity of longs under current market conditions is just bearish, and I'm pretty sure there is a similar proportion of whales VS "retail" among both shorters and longers.
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April 13, 2015, 09:20:43 PM

$210 incoming  Undecided

$150 is coming faster

"Earn money when BTC crashes - join BTC-E PAMM"

Hmmmmmm....

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