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[Wandererfromthenorth]

So... your analysis is based on historical trades, right?

What do you mean "historical trades"?

It's based on very basic TA.

[ChartBuddy]

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[Norway]

So... your analysis is based on historical trades, right?

What do you mean "historical trades"?

It's based on very basic TA.

By historical trades, I mean trades that happened previous in time. Before "now".
And you know basic TA wouldn't work because it would be exploited against the "Basic TA"-people.

[bassclef]

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:

No, Jorge is a very smart computer scientist with an inflated ego who peaked decades ago. His "musings" about bitcoin are an attempt to stay relevant as he slowly fades away into academia.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

So... your analysis is based on historical trades, right?

What do you mean "historical trades"?

It's based on very basic TA.

By historical trades, I mean trades that happened previous in time. Before "now".
And you know basic TA wouldn't work because it would be exploited against the "Basic TA"-people.

Ok, then yes, TA is based on historical trades, that's what TA is of course, but I don't understand your point.

[Norway]

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:

No, Jorge is a very smart computer scientist with an inflated ego who peaked decades ago. His "musings" about bitcoin are an attempt to stay relevant as he slowly fades away into academia.

I don't agree. I spend too much time surfing this field, and I understand that Jorge spend twice the time! There is certainly a very strong motivation! He is gaining/loosing important money related to bitcoin. It's not just a hobby.

[JorgeStolfi]

Let me use my common sense. Back on ignore you troll...

That's ironic (or pathetic), coming from an account that was created specifically to troll another user... 

How is that different from why you made your account?

What are you talking about?

For those folks in gelid Scandinavia and anywhere else the news may not have arrived yet: @fonsie created his account specifically to troll @fonzie, one of the smartest contributors to this forum (so much so that he easily won the bitcoin price prediction contest for 2014).  But @fonzie has been rather absent of late, so @fonsie changed his life mission to troll the undersigned.  Then he, or someone who thinks very much like him, created another account "@trolfi" with the same life mission -- making me the only member of this forum with not one, but *two* Exclusive Personal Trolls, a distinction that I will forever remember with pride.  But then he may have found it hard to manage the two accounts at the same time, or his employer refused to pay twice for two very similar sockpuppets, or something; anyway, @trolfi seems to have left us for good.

I hope that this background information will help newbies understand some things that otherwise may seem to make no sense, such as @fonsie's bizarre signature and avatar.

[Norway]

So... your analysis is based on historical trades, right?

What do you mean "historical trades"?

It's based on very basic TA.

By historical trades, I mean trades that happened previous in time. Before "now".
And you know basic TA wouldn't work because it would be exploited against the "Basic TA"-people.

Ok, then yes, TA is based on historical trades, that's what TA is of course, but I don't understand your point.

My point is: Look forward, not backward. I know shorting bears have made good money the last year. But you can't predict this curve by looking at old data. Look at the premises, how revolutionary bitcoin really is. Too sad if you bet all the money you made in a year on a leveraged short, and loose it in a flash when "the guys" go for it, he he. Ok, you can maybe play the bear game a little longer, but promise me that you put some of your earnings on the side (in bitcoin).

[JorgeStolfi]

you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I am supposed tobe grading this:

and another one like it from another course. Do you need any other explanation?

[Fatman3001]

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:

No, Jorge is a very smart computer scientist with an inflated ego who peaked decades ago. His "musings" about bitcoin are an attempt to stay relevant as he slowly fades away into academia.

I don't agree. I spend too much time surfing this field, and I understand that Jorge spend twice the time! There is certainly a very strong motivation! He is gaining/loosing important money related to bitcoin. It's not just a hobby.

Why do you care? Nobody takes him seriously.

[Wandererfromthenorth]

@ Jorge!

I'm in a good mood now, and I am rethinking my views about you. I tend to switch you on/off ignore on a regular basis. Last time I turned you off ignore, was because you provided a link to a bitcointalk thread regarding the process of selling bitcoin on GBTC at reddit.

You certainly scan the forums and look for details. And you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


1. (My old theory) You work at the troll factory. Goldman Sachs or somebody else pay you via a middle man to troll bitcoin forums.

2. You are actually a heavy invested hodler. But because of life experience (not academic experience), you look constantly for the reason for your investments to go to hell. You play your own devils advocate. Bitcoin going to the moon is just too good to be true, right? I respect 100% that you don't talk about your holdings. Being your own bank, means bank security in your home. And it's hard to achive today.



The rest of you: Is it theory 1 or 2? (Or your own)

3. A computer science professor who is interested in the bitcoin phenomenon simply as a spectator, and considering that  interesting/fascinating/worth some lols stuff happens in bitcoin world on a daily basis, I'd say that's all the motivation one needs.

He simply looks at everything bitcoin related without bias, as opposed to the permabulls which are trying to push their investment at all cost (without critical thinking).
Most of the time he talks about facts that permabulls don't like to hear, that's why they attack him.



There you go  

[Norway]

you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I am supposed tobe grading this:

and another one like it from another course. Do you need any other explanation?

You are seriously dodging the questions about your motvivation (which you cut out in your quotation).

I'll just go for the tin foil hat theory and put you back on ignore. Where you belong.

[Norway]

@ Jorge!

I'm in a good mood now, and I am rethinking my views about you. I tend to switch you on/off ignore on a regular basis. Last time I turned you off ignore, was because you provided a link to a bitcointalk thread regarding the process of selling bitcoin on GBTC at reddit.

You certainly scan the forums and look for details. And you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


1. (My old theory) You work at the troll factory. Goldman Sachs or somebody else pay you via a middle man to troll bitcoin forums.

2. You are actually a heavy invested hodler. But because of life experience (not academic experience), you look constantly for the reason for your investments to go to hell. You play your own devils advocate. Bitcoin going to the moon is just too good to be true, right? I respect 100% that you don't talk about your holdings. Being your own bank, means bank security in your home. And it's hard to achive today.



The rest of you: Is it theory 1 or 2? (Or your own)

3. A computer science professor who is interested in the bitcoin phenomenon simply as a spectator, and considering that  interesting/fascinating/worth some lols stuff happens in bitcoin world on a daily basis, I'd say that's all the motivation one needs, whether holder, trader, or simply an observer.

He simply looks at everything bitcoin related without bias, as opposed to the permabulls which are trying to push their investment at all cost (without critical thinking).
Most of the time he talks about facts that permabulls don't like to hear, that's why they attack him.



There you go 

No. He is too dedicated for a curious observer. It's simply not true.

[JorgeStolfi]

No. He is too dedicated for a curious observer. It's simply not true.

As much as I am "wasting" time with bitcoin, it is still much less than I "wasted" with the Voynich Manuscript, and comparable to what I "wasted" on the Fukushima disaster, Wikimapia, Wikipedia, cold fusion, space exploration...  I learned *a lot* with each of those "wastes of time", including with bitcoin. 

[hdbuck]

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/AHFOHXcM-Updated-Longterm-Downtrend-Cycles/

[ChartBuddy]

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[fonsie]

Let me use my common sense. Back on ignore you troll...

That's ironic (or pathetic), coming from an account that was created specifically to troll another user... 

How is that different from why you made your account?

What are you talking about?

For those folks in gelid Scandinavia and anywhere else the news may not have arrived yet: @fonsie created his account specifically to troll @fonzie, one of the smartest contributors to this forum (so much so that he easily won the bitcoin price prediction contest for 2014).  But @fonzie has been rather absent of late, so @fonsie changed his life mission to troll the undersigned.  Then he, or someone who thinks very much like him, created another account "@trolfi" with the same life mission -- making me the only member of this forum with not one, but *two* Exclusive Personal Trolls, a distinction that I will forever remember with pride.  But then he may have found it hard to manage the two accounts at the same time, or his employer refused to pay twice for two very similar sockpuppets, or something; anyway, @trolfi seems to have left us for good.

I hope that this background information will help newbies understand some things that otherwise may seem to make no sense, such as @fonsie's bizarre signature and avatar.

  Again the "I've got a personal troll" post when he's exposed on his lies. Rest assured I've only got 1 account on this forum and it isn't to exclusively troll you. Your account is just the only one not on ignore of all the trolls, because you have the gutts to use your real name. I'm also man enough to admit that I created my account just to answer to the troll fonzie, and at the time I couldn't be bothered to come up with an original name.

If you are offended by the fact that I see no economic sense in the BRL, I will gladly change my signature.

However, @Jorge you have to much free time. You should ask your students (if you have any) to actually come to class, so you can tell them nonsense instead of us.
It's sad that a smart guy like you needs to pick point the bad bitcoin articles, ignoring 9/10 good ones, twist some facts, just to proof his point.

Meanwhile, Bitcoin has had an actual economic value for me, I would not have been able to do the transaction without bitcoin. So against your twisted mindset, bitcoin has value and is usefull. So it seems you have been DEAD WRONG.

If it doesn't has the same value for you.
WE KNOW, nobody cares anymore.

[pa]

No. He is too dedicated for a curious observer. It's simply not true.

As much as I am "wasting" time with bitcoin, it is still much less than I "wasted" with the Voynich Manuscript, and comparable to what I "wasted" on the Fukushima disaster, Wikimapia, Wikipedia, cold fusion, space exploration...  I learned *a lot* with each of those "wastes of time", including with bitcoin. 

Do you have tenure?

[fonsie]

No. He is too dedicated for a curious observer. It's simply not true.

As much as I am "wasting" time with bitcoin, it is still much less than I "wasted" with the Voynich Manuscript, and comparable to what I "wasted" on the Fukushima disaster, Wikimapia, Wikipedia, cold fusion, space exploration...  I learned *a lot* with each of those "wastes of time", including with bitcoin. 

So you're saying that just about everything you have done in your life has been a waste of time, making you a waste of space in the process?

[Fatman3001]

@ Jorge!

I'm in a good mood now, and I am rethinking my views about you. I tend to switch you on/off ignore on a regular basis. Last time I turned you off ignore, was because you provided a link to a bitcointalk thread regarding the process of selling bitcoin on GBTC at reddit.

You certainly scan the forums and look for details. And you can certainly not do this while teaching students / work on a funded science project at the same time.

I now have 2 theories for your motivation:


1. (My old theory) You work at the troll factory. Goldman Sachs or somebody else pay you via a middle man to troll bitcoin forums.

2. You are actually a heavy invested hodler. But because of life experience (not academic experience), you look constantly for the reason for your investments to go to hell. You play your own devils advocate. Bitcoin going to the moon is just too good to be true, right? I respect 100% that you don't talk about your holdings. Being your own bank, means bank security in your home. And it's hard to achive today.



The rest of you: Is it theory 1 or 2? (Or your own)

3. A computer science professor who is interested in the bitcoin phenomenon simply as a spectator, and considering that  interesting/fascinating/worth some lols stuff happens in bitcoin world on a daily basis, I'd say that's all the motivation one needs, whether holder, trader, or simply an observer.

He simply looks at everything bitcoin related without bias, as opposed to the permabulls which are trying to push their investment at all cost (without critical thinking).
Most of the time he talks about facts that permabulls don't like to hear, that's why they attack him.



There you go  

You know that's not true. He's consistently knowingly misrepresenting facts. He has a strong bias towards making BTC look bad. However I tend to think this bias is just his preferred mode of trolling, nothing more (and part of what gets his jizz to leak is us discussing him).

Nobody is against some well founded thoughtful criticism, in the right threads (why bother day traders with this, they don't give a hoo haa) it is actively encouraged, but that's not what H.H.Dr.Prof has to offer.