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June 12, 2015, 08:49:42 AM

russia being forced to unban bitcoin?

price doesn't budge an inch
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June 12, 2015, 08:50:16 AM

BITCOIN!!!! WAKE UP!!!

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June 12, 2015, 09:17:04 AM

EUR/USD is $1.11

Yesterday it was $1.12

more interesting volatility?
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June 12, 2015, 09:28:15 AM

A little entertainment in these boring times:

Erik Vorhees is redirecting New York and North Korean customers who try to use ShapeShift to this page:
http://pleaseprotectconsumers.org/

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June 12, 2015, 09:45:45 AM

EUR/USD is $1.11

Yesterday it was $1.12

more interesting volatility?

Greece...

Question is when they will discover BTC  Smiley

Edit: I see Merkel said week € is better for reforms and FX market reacted.

We already have. The real question here is "will they let us use it?" I don't think it will be so easy... Besides everybody knows that IMF is the one who doesn't want the deal. When everything is settled, they invent something new to lead the negotiations to a new dead end. IMF is there for a reason... Wink
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June 12, 2015, 09:58:11 AM

The real question here is "will they let us use it?"

if you think you have to ask permission you are enslaved beyond belief.
either you fuck the power or it will fuck you.
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June 12, 2015, 10:16:06 AM

The real question here is "will they let us use it?"

if you think you have to ask permission you are enslaved beyond belief.
either you fuck the power or it will fuck you.

True story. I too believe (and expressed my opinion publicly here) that BTC would've been the perfect solution for Greece's problem. If you incorporate a non-inflationary currency as a "second" together with the inflationary one, its destiny will be to gain ascendancy through superiority over the "first" one (Gresham's law). The thing is, you simply can't "decide" for yourself if you're part of the EU prison. We know that, they know that; and everybody keep silence before the people know too.

Bitcoin is the ultimate "game over" for ANY other currency if a country decides to incorporate it. I don't expect that "little Greece" will have the strength for such a decision.
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June 12, 2015, 10:19:59 AM

no extra vat on bitcoin sales in switzerland. bitcoin treated like a foreign currency.

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/invest/bits-coins-keine-neuen-steuern-auf-bitcoin-674634






















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June 12, 2015, 10:31:11 AM

The real question here is "will they let us use it?"

if you think you have to ask permission you are enslaved beyond belief.
either you fuck the power or it will fuck you.

True story. I too believe (and expressed my opinion publicly here) that BTC would've been the perfect solution for Greece's problem. If you incorporate a non-inflationary currency as a "second" together with the inflationary one, its destiny will be to gain ascendancy through superiority over the "first" one (Gresham's law). The thing is, you simply can't "decide" for yourself if you're part of the EU prison. We know that, they know that; and everybody keep silence before the people know too.

Bitcoin is the ultimate "game over" for ANY other currency if a country decides to incorporate it. I don't expect that "little Greece" will have the strength for such a decision.

Let 'greece' sort out its problems by itself. Crypto is about personal freedom, private property and free trade, not centralized fictions/schemes/scams.
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June 12, 2015, 10:34:36 AM

The real question here is "will they let us use it?"

if you think you have to ask permission you are enslaved beyond belief.
either you fuck the power or it will fuck you.

True story. I too believe (and expressed my opinion publicly here) that BTC would've been the perfect solution for Greece's problem. If you incorporate a non-inflationary currency as a "second" together with the inflationary one, its destiny will be to gain ascendancy through superiority over the "first" one (Gresham's law). The thing is, you simply can't "decide" for yourself if you're part of the EU prison. We know that, they know that; and everybody keep silence before the people know too.

Bitcoin is the ultimate "game over" for ANY other currency if a country decides to incorporate it. I don't expect that "little Greece" will have the strength for such a decision.

Let 'greece' sort out its problems by itself. Crypto is about personal freedom, private property and free trade, not centralized fictions/schemes/scams.

AFAICS, Greece (and any country) is a part of TPTB plan and plays a major role within the USD/EUR & Bond prices. If it were not for Greece, another one should have taken its role. I personally made my choice since some time in 2011...
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June 12, 2015, 10:45:07 AM

How much BTC would a Greece-sized country need to obtain to use it as an official currency? I expect quite a bit, and at rather high prices given the upward pressure such a decision would put on the price. It's one thing for a small country to adopt a much larger country's currency, and quite another for them to adopt a currency with a total market cap far smaller than their GDP.

Even assuming a country adopted cryptocurrency, picking an existing one instead of rolling their own would be hugely expensive.
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June 12, 2015, 10:49:23 AM

Adopting BTC as national currency would be suicide for Greece. Their problem is not that the Euro inflation is too high, but it is too low. Bitcoin is deflationary in the long term, so their debts would explode, when BTC price rises.
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June 12, 2015, 10:57:09 AM

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June 12, 2015, 10:58:13 AM

Adopting BTC as national currency would be suicide for Greece. Their problem is not that the Euro inflation is too high, but it is too low. Bitcoin is deflationary in the long term, so their debts would explode, when BTC price rises.

That would be contrary to the aforementioned Gresham's Law. I'd indulge you to read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law

The undervalued currency would (in this case) be the EUR. That means the debt in EUR will be lowered as the BTC would go up and finally eliminated when BTC reaches a high rate. Such an experiment is -of course- non applicable on a country under a sovereign coalition, so we can only assume here (both me and you) what we *think* it will happen.

You could also be right and me just typing nonsense here. Smiley
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June 12, 2015, 11:12:22 AM

My mum is more likely to adopt a monkey than Greece are to adopt BTC.

Increased usage I can imagine.... government official adoption so to speak.... is surely not even on the cards, no one really thinks it is ...right?
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June 12, 2015, 11:24:13 AM

My mum is more likely to adopt a monkey than Greece are to adopt BTC.

Increased usage I can imagine.... government official adoption so to speak.... is surely not even on the cards, no one really thinks it is ...right?

Actually, its very high chance for Greece to adopt bitcoin.
The government of Greece may be crooked, but they are not stupid! They can see how quickly and easily people became rich with bitcoin. They will surely want to become rich also, don't they?
Mark my words: Greece will adopt bitcoin in the coming years and will be the new kind of superpower, that gets it's power by it's immense riches.
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