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January 24, 2016, 11:30:38 PM

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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.

Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along.
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There is no "single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity" that is a blatant lie.

If lies are all you have left to try and scare some plebes into supporting a coup to a centralised development model then you are delusional and lying to yourself also. Bitcoin Core development has many different parties contributing code, review, analysis, testing and research (NB: decentralised already)... AND they all agree to the way forward. Bigger blocks will come when they are needed, when we have widespread functioning fee selection and replacement s/ware in wallets (in case it is needed and for future-proofing), and the low-risk beneficial algorithmic capacity increases have been implemented .... just not tonight dear (as someone said).
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January 24, 2016, 11:31:37 PM

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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.
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just not tonight dear (as someone said).
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There is no "single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity" that is a blatant lie.

If lies are all you have left to try and scare some plebes into supporting a coup to a centralised development model then you are delusional and lying to yourself also. Bitcoin Core development has many different parties contributing code, review, analysis, testing and research (NB: decentralised already)... AND they all agree to the way forward. Bigger blocks will come when they are needed, when we have widespread functioning fee selection and replacement s/ware in wallets (in case it is needed and for future-proofing), and the low-risk beneficial algorithmic capacity increases have been implemented .... just not tonight dear (as someone said).
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January 24, 2016, 11:32:33 PM

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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.
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There is no "single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity" that is a blatant lie.

If lies are all you have left to try and scare some plebes into supporting a coup to a centralised development model then you are delusional and lying to yourself also. Bitcoin Core development has many different parties contributing code, review, analysis, testing and research (NB: decentralised already)... AND they all agree to the way forward. Bigger blocks will come when they are needed, when we have widespread functioning fee selection and replacement s/ware in wallets (in case it is needed and for future-proofing), and the low-risk beneficial algorithmic capacity increases have been implemented .... just not tonight dear (as someone said).
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January 24, 2016, 11:32:38 PM

^I thought Adam Back was on record with some kind of 2-4-8 plan?

I think Luke Jr. is against it because Jesus. Let me go check...

You misheard. That's two regular transactions for the price of eight segwit ones.

Clearly they have confidence in its acceptance if the're offering that steep a discount. 
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January 24, 2016, 11:38:19 PM

You know, I cant remember the actual point I switched to google from AltaVista, despite having convinced myself that I never would. Funny, no matter how entrenched we think we are, we are liableto change in a heartbeat. Bitcoin core could learn that lesson.

Altavista started going down that whole "portal" route (as were others). An object lesson in having to watch your step when it comes to monetizing things. I probably would have stuck with Altavista if they hadn't gone that way (though they would have had to have stepped up their search algorithm efforts too)
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You know, I cant remember the actual point I switched to google from AltaVista, despite having convinced myself that I never would. Funny, no matter how entrenched we think we are, we are liableto change in a heartbeat. Bitcoin core could learn that lesson.

Altavista started going down that whole "portal" route (as were others). An object lesson in having to watch your step when it comes to monetizing things. I probably would have stuck with Altavista if they hadn't gone that way (though they would have had to have stepped up their search algorithm efforts too)

Yeah, you know, thats it. I forgot how clogged up AV and Yahoo were getting ( and still are)

Google, to be fair, always kept the UI clean and simple.
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.
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Yeah, you know, thats it. I forgot how clogged up AV and Yahoo were getting ( and still are)

Google, to be fair, always kept the UI clean and simple.

Yeah, I think that was their gameplan. Google was very in-touch with their audience in those days. In spite of a few missteps, I think they still largely are.
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January 24, 2016, 11:46:34 PM

For power users metacrawler was the way to go back then. You couldn't count on any single search engine finding what you wanted. Some had it, others didn't, and most of the time you had to search for the same thing over and over in different engines, so metacrawler was better in that regard.

Google was a one-stop-does-it-right kind'of'site that actually had better results than even metacrawler which, in itself, combined the results of others.
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January 24, 2016, 11:53:30 PM

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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.
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just not tonight dear (as someone said).
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There is no "single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity" .

Bitcoin Core development has many different parties contributing code, review, analysis, testing and research (NB: decentralised already)... AND they all agree to the way forward. Bigger blocks will come when they are needed, when we have widespread functioning fee selection and replacement s/ware in wallets (in case it is needed and for future-proofing), and the low-risk beneficial algorithmic capacity increases have been implemented .

FWIW I agree with you on this. I should have cut the snarky bits.
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.


Yeah, right....... ... defend mmitech, you little puss....

Certainly, your above post is not getting very much into any meaningful substantive discussion, and here, you do not appear to be attempting to engage in any meaningful dialogue.

The one sliver of substance in your response does seem to suggest that I am somehow taking some kind of side in the internal squabblings of the current bitcoin controversy.  I'm not too attached to any one side except for some of my previous leanings have been towards building on the status quo... and resistance towards implementations of contentious forks. 

In this regard, you seem to be very invested in one side ... maybe against core... or otherwise you are coming off as becoming extremely emotionally attached to be against core for no real good reason.. except that you seem inclined towards getting caught up in personalities, which seems a bit petty to me.

I think that part of my previous point was that even with some of the current internal squabblings within bitcoin, it remains a much more dynamic and broader group of influencers pushing bitcoin in various directions, as compared with the apparent smallness of Ethereum.. and some of that actuality seems to be reflected in Bitcoin's larger market cap, and another aspect relates to bitcoin having had gone through a bit longer history and having had become a bit more robust by enduring in a variety of already suffered historical attacks. 


I don't claim to be any kind of expert in anything, but frequently, i can identify various bullshit presentations, including mmitech and some of his current and historical posts, and in that regard, my response is meant to provide my opinion at the moment and in response... and regarding your emotional post, I don't have any problem with you disagreeing with my opinion to the extent that you are able to emotionally refrain from seemingly uncontrolled outbursts.. which hopefully you will be able to do.... if not, I will just attempt to put up with it... .and respond to the extent that it may seem fitting....   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.

Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along.

There is no "single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity" that is a blatant lie.

If lies are all you have left to try and scare some plebes into supporting a coup to a centralised development model then you are delusional and lying to yourself also. Bitcoin Core development has many different parties contributing code, review, analysis, testing and research (NB: decentralised already)... AND they all agree to the way forward. Bigger blocks will come when they are needed, when we have widespread functioning fee selection and replacement s/ware in wallets (in case it is needed and for future-proofing), and the low-risk beneficial algorithmic capacity increases have been implemented .... just not tonight dear (as someone said).


Wow.... better said than me.   I personally don't feel like I have any real vested stake in either outcome, but I do become a bit worried when i get the sense that some individuals are seeming to create a sense of urgency, and to forcefully and emotionally argue that something needs to be done right away... because there is a fire... blah, blah, blah... these kinds of tactics make me a bit more skeptical about the push for change and the apparent attempts at justifying such immediate changes.
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Maybe, those issues are behind Ethereum, but several aspects of ethereum seem to have its own issues in regards to pump and dump sense and various small community centralization like dynamics.

You mean like a single company stonewalling a simple upgrade to tx capacity... directly and negatively affecting its competitiveness against growing alternatives?

Perhaps you should stop insulting your betters like you did to mmitech earlier and start thinking about these issues.

Stop lying and spreading lies. People like you have totally poisoned the debate to take it out of the realm of technical into the personal attacks, smears and political, which of course was your disgusting intention all along.
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