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April 21, 2016, 11:30:59 AM

pump before halving.. sheeps..  after  11,07 BIG dump Wink
or dont give miners hw miner for "after halving time" and after pump up price..+
becouse all is in chinese hand, hw company, pools , and maybe all bitcoins.
who now.. everything is possible


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What I\m writing below is hardly a novel thought. A similar idea was pointed out in here a long time ago already by someone much smarter than me.

The 'halving' dynamics and their market effect, unclear as they may be in detail, should not be simplified to the point where their analysis matches that of the many other external events, i.e. that of other, supposedly "important news", like, say, the opening of a new exchange.

Every time you, as a trader/predictor, evaluate "news" you need to distinguish the anticipation of the event, and the actual, 'hard' effect of the event.

In the case of many of important news events, there is nothing but anticipation. That's what you can rightfully call "pump & dump" then, or at least, accuse it of being an "unjustified hype" upon hearing the event being discussed.

But in case of the halving, it is only the first part that bears similarity to other events. The anticipation phase for the halving, in which we are now, is purely based on human emotions and expectations, spinning the news, etc. In other words, it's a 'soft' effect, just like anticipating other good or bad events, and you are absolutely permitted to call it 'hype' or suspect it shares some similarity with a 'pump & dump'.

But the second part of the event, the 'hard' effect, is a bit different in this case. For one, it is (effectively) guaranteed to take place, as opposed to other events where some amount of uncertainty surrounds the event.

More importantly though is the relative lack of ambiguity of interpreting the effect. I have seen arguments why a drop in inflation could actually lead to a sharp drop in price, but these arguments are based on very flimsy premises that hold little weight against the much stronger basic supply/demand dynamics and its effect as we know from every market on earth.*

What I'm getting at is this:

If your analysis of the halving event is only based on evaluating the 'soft', anticipatory effects, but fails to account for the 'hard', the actual effect of a sudden change in the global supply situation -- namely: a drop of yearly inflation of almost 9% to about 4% -- then you are oversimplifying your analysis to a point where it becomes inappropriate as a tool of prediction.

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* Note that this is not the same as saying "price surely will go up". There are a few, not exactly impossible scenarios, in which the (positive) effect of the hype will have outweighed the (neutral) effect of the actual change in supply, and price stagnates, or potentially even falls. I don't assign too high a likelihood to thatoutcome, but it seems at least plausible to me. That a sharp cut in inflation, seen as a stand-alone factor, would lead to a devaluation is extremely implausible on the other hand.

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April 21, 2016, 12:32:55 PM

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i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket

I got places to go and money to blow
Got three bucks in my pocket
And seven more at home Cool

What I\m writing below is hardly a novel ...

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April 21, 2016, 12:40:21 PM

This rally won't stop until it has hit $490 then it will shrink back down. We have seen this all before. With the halving happening by then who knows, a new player to this is coming.
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April 21, 2016, 12:54:34 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
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April 21, 2016, 01:21:41 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?
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April 21, 2016, 02:31:09 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?
Not enough spics even know about bitcoin for this to be an issue - much less their deserted relatives below the border.
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April 21, 2016, 02:54:54 PM

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leverage is not useful for me
i have money in the bank and bitcoins in my pocket

I got places to go and money to blow
Got three bucks in my pocket
And seven more at home Cool

What I\m writing below is hardly a novel ...

*novella

So I take it your attention span matches the life expectancy of your accounts, eh? Wink
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April 21, 2016, 02:59:39 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?
Not enough spics even know about bitcoin for this to be an issue - much less their deserted relatives below the border.


Bitcoin was designed to work even if it is banned.  The business opportunity will be in Mexico converting BTC for pesos at a favorable exchange rate and then reselling the same coins back in the U.S.
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April 21, 2016, 03:05:33 PM

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April 21, 2016, 03:18:56 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?

Good luck banning decentralized exchanges like Bitsquare.
https://bitsquare.io/
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April 21, 2016, 03:56:11 PM

This rally won't stop until it has hit $490 then it will shrink back down. We have seen this all before. With the halving happening by then who knows, a new player to this is coming.

You have a real bad sense of market dynamics if you believe that prices stop/reverse at $490... sure it could stop before that time, but if prices make it it $490, we have pure momentum and psychology that easily brings us into the mid-$500s and more likely into the mid $600s... though, surely such momentum can stop at any time, it just takes a lot more effort to go against a trend, and when we hit certain price points, there becomes a strong trend and $490 is one of those price points that is likely upwards rather than a reversing point...
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April 21, 2016, 03:58:29 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Still over $440 I see. Thought we might have corrected a bit more but we're hanging tough in the mid-$440s. Putting the $420s in the rear-view mirror seems to be a done deal.

Next stop... the $450s.

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April 21, 2016, 04:03:06 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

You mean President Hillaryus?

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April 21, 2016, 04:09:22 PM

You Canadians even got a president? A crew boss? Some sort of a druid lumber king?
What are you guys supposed to be, anyhow, some sort of a British protectorate?
Because I notice whenever you Canadians talk politics, it's always about US.
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Good luck banning decentralized exchanges like Bitsquare.
https://bitsquare.io/

WTF is that? I see "Philosophy" and "community," but no ticker? Another successful bitcoin project?

C'mon...don't be so lazy.
https://github.com/bitsquare/bitsquare/releases
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Good luck banning decentralized exchanges like Bitsquare.
https://bitsquare.io/

WTF is that? I see "Philosophy" and "community," but no ticker? Another successful bitcoin project?

C'mon...don't be so lazy.
https://github.com/bitsquare/bitsquare/releases

Sry, not interested in trading with myself on testnet, you go right ahead tho. Become a testnet billionaire!! Cheesy
BTW, didn't read the FAQ because, like oda.krell pointed out, zero attention span. How does actual folding money enter/leave the system?
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April 21, 2016, 04:22:48 PM

You Canadians even got a president? A crew boss? Some sort of a druid lumber king?
What are you guys supposed to be, anyhow, some sort of a British protectorate?
Because I notice whenever you Canadians talk politics, it's always about US.


Our PM looks like Prince Charming and just explained quantum computing like a 5-year-old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZBLSjF56S8
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April 21, 2016, 04:24:52 PM

You Canadians even got a president? A crew boss? Some sort of a druid lumber king?
What are you guys supposed to be, anyhow, some sort of a British protectorate?
Because I notice whenever you Canadians talk politics, it's always about US.


Canada is a US corporation.
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April 21, 2016, 04:25:50 PM

Get ready for lift off gents. Trump will force Mexico onto Bitcoin.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

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On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

Looks like Mr. Trump is gonna have to ban Bitcoin to make his Mexican Paywall work. He probably won't tho.

Right?

  g... guys?

Good luck banning decentralized exchanges like Bitsquare.
https://bitsquare.io/

"One may describe Bitsquare is as a fully decentralized​ version of LocalBitcoins,"...Yay! More shady meetups with cp vendors and drug dealers!


You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.
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April 21, 2016, 04:32:00 PM

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You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.

ELI5 who I wire actual irl money to, and why it won't get stolen immediately.
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