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May 02, 2016, 03:24:34 PM

... someone else who would give Satoshi money and/or protection.

So "entire Bitcoin fandom"?
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May 02, 2016, 03:29:16 PM

gavin has confirmed he wasnt hacked and truly believes that dude is Satoshi
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hhomy/gavin_andresen_on_stage_consensus_2016_i_was_not/
will he get commit access back?
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May 02, 2016, 03:32:08 PM

My dear old dad has always had a theory that royal families should be converted to horses. Thusly they'd look magnificent, could be sent wherever to fuck other countries' royal horses to keep everyone happy and never do anything stupid like opening their mouths.

I think we should do the same and vote in an inanimate or non verbal Satoshi.

My suggestion for Satoshi is either this



Or this



So even if a pathetic human comes along claiming to be him we won't be interested because we've already voted otherwise.

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May 02, 2016, 03:36:17 PM

the first time Craig Wright said he was Satoshi I watched some videos of him talking. it was so obvious that a person such as him could in no way be Satoshi. 

you see, thats a perfect example of whats going on at the moment. the community is in full denial at the moment. people kind of glorified satoshi and everyone had his own version of Satoshi in their minds. now that we actually have him eventually "at hand" they refuse to accept reality and desperately try to cling to their dream version of Satoshi.

pretty tragic if you ask me.

I don't think so...the community is in denial because every "proof" Wright has provided was fake...So until he'll publicly verify by cryptography that he is really Satoshi, i'll rather stay in denial, because after watching this guy talking, i would really consider selling all my BTC, because that guy is obviously over dramatic and weird with the "i will never ever accept nobel prize" etc...also if he would be so privacy seeking as he and gavin claims, he would never step up like this with faked proofs...he would just move to other city, country...it makes really no sense at all....drafts of btc white paper...yeah right...i am the real satoshi, can you prove me wrong? Or will you be in denial of me being the real satoshi?
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May 02, 2016, 03:37:25 PM

the downtrend is for Craig Wright?
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May 02, 2016, 03:38:18 PM

the first time Craig Wright said he was Satoshi I watched some videos of him talking. it was so obvious that a person such as him could in no way be Satoshi. 

you see, thats a perfect example of whats going on at the moment. the community is in full denial at the moment. people kind of glorified satoshi and everyone had his own version of Satoshi in their minds. now that we actually have him eventually "at hand" they refuse to accept reality and desperately try to cling to their dream version of Satoshi.

pretty tragic if you ask me.

I don't think so...the community is in denial because every "proof" Wright has provided was fake...So until he'll publicly verify by cryptography that he is really Satoshi, i'll rather stay in denial, because after watching this guy talking, i would really consider selling all my BTC, because that guy is obviously over dramatic and weird with the "i will never ever accept nobel prize" etc...also if he would be so privacy seeking as he and gavin claims, he would never step up like this with faked proofs...he would just move to other city, country...it makes really no sense at all....drafts of btc white paper...yeah right...i am the real satoshi, can you prove me wrong? Or will you be in denial of me being the real satoshi?
Don't you know that you have to disprove anything people claim? What are you, some kind of rational person?
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May 02, 2016, 04:15:30 PM

I smell that the '2020 Trust Account' is the intention to keep the price depressed for the next 4 years.
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May 02, 2016, 04:19:41 PM

Very interesting article:

Craig Wright Claims He's Bitcoin Creator Satoshi -- Experts Fear An Epic Scam
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/05/02/craig-wright-satoshi-nakamoto-doubt/#dd486ea708f0
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May 02, 2016, 04:39:44 PM

How low do you guys think we will go?

Buying opportunity?
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May 02, 2016, 04:44:58 PM

How low do you guys think we will go?

Buying opportunity?
Why even ask?

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May 02, 2016, 05:09:23 PM

Craig Wright better buy us up back to $452 asap
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May 02, 2016, 05:15:49 PM

Craig Wright better buy us up back to $452 asap

Yeah right... I believe that even if he is not Satoshi, he now has more wealth in bitcoins than in fiat, so... Roll Eyes
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May 02, 2016, 05:22:34 PM


Now I'm wondering which exchange Craig and Gavin used to place their shorts.

/S (51%)
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May 02, 2016, 05:25:41 PM

Craig Wright better buy us up back to $452 asap

Yeah right... I believe that even if he is not Satoshi, he now has more wealth in bitcoins than in fiat, so... Roll Eyes

I know he was being investigated by the Australian VAT man, and coindesk said he told them his companies were worth $300m in market cap­italisation backed through bitcoin. If he gets charged VAT on that $300m he'll have a whopping big bill to pay.


http://www.coindesk.com/australia-government-bitcoin-creator-craig-wright-tax-investigation/

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"The [ATO] team has been interviewing Mr Wright’s former business associates in Sydney about tax claims he made through businesses and as an individual, while the ATO has been questioning former associates on supposed deals done through Mr Wright’s network of companies that claim to have about $300m in market cap­italisation backed through bitcoin."
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May 02, 2016, 05:27:37 PM

So his only way out, if he doesn't have the bitcoins, is to say "I'm satoshi"... lol?
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May 02, 2016, 05:46:52 PM

ded ?
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May 02, 2016, 05:51:06 PM

So his only way out, if he doesn't have the bitcoins, is to say "I'm satoshi"... lol?

Yeah, funny. Lol. Did you know that Mr. Jon Matonis, @jonmatonis, Founding Director at Bitcoin Foundation, CEO of Hushmail, Columnist at Forbes, Chief Forex Dealer at VISA, Economist, has confirmed Dr. Wright to be the real Satoshi Nakomoto?

Not to mention that Dr. Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, said at a conference today that he believes Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonymous inventor of Bitcoin.

So how about you stop with the FUD, huh? No one's buying.

I don't think Gavin Andresen has a PhD doctorate degree, and if that's true he's not a doctor. His linkedin profile only lists a Bachelor's degree as his education. If he's got a PhD then he's Dr. Gavin Andresen, otherwise he's only Mr Gavin Andresen.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gavin-andresen-6987971

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As for FUD we only want to see a signed message we can check for ourselves. We'll all believe it if we are given a signed message, otherwise most of us won't.
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May 02, 2016, 06:08:28 PM

So his only way out, if he doesn't have the bitcoins, is to say "I'm satoshi"... lol?

Yeah, funny. Lol. Did you know that Mr. Jon Matonis, @jonmatonis, Founding Director at Bitcoin Foundation, CEO of Hushmail, Columnist at Forbes, Chief Forex Dealer at VISA, Economist, has confirmed Dr. Wright to be the real Satoshi Nakomoto?

Not to mention that Dr. Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, said at a conference today that he believes Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonymous inventor of Bitcoin.

So how about you stop with the FUD, huh? No one's buying.

What FUD?
Wright shall prove it cryptographically to all of us. Open in the public. It's so easy if he really would be Satoshi.
But he isn't doing it! Why?
Furthermore the people here give a damn what Gavin Andresen or Jon Matonis say.And why? Because it doesn't matter.
This can be solved in a few minutes.Cryptographic prove and that's it. Or move one of the early mined coins. The story with the coins locked in a trust was just another story to fool us all.
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May 02, 2016, 06:10:50 PM

ded ?

Not quite yet. First, Gavin and Craig Nakamoto will have to cry foul about the core-team revoking Gavin's priviliges. Then a lot of chaos and price dropping. Next, miners will get in trouble and more chaos will ensue. By that time it's time for the halving, and that will be the mercy blow for a lot of miners. More chaos. Then the real Satoshi sends a verifiable message that we should all buy Dash (or whatever) and he burns all his BTC. Then ded.

Of course, this would mean y'all should go long now, as usually the market does exactly the opposite of what I predict (at least when I put my money where my mouth is, and I did).
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May 02, 2016, 06:22:35 PM

So his only way out, if he doesn't have the bitcoins, is to say "I'm satoshi"... lol?

Yeah, funny. Lol. Did you know that Mr. Jon Matonis, @jonmatonis, Founding Director at Bitcoin Foundation, CEO of Hushmail, Columnist at Forbes, Chief Forex Dealer at VISA, Economist, has confirmed Dr. Wright to be the real Satoshi Nakomoto?

Not to mention that Dr. Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist of the Bitcoin Foundation, said at a conference today that he believes Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the pseudonymous inventor of Bitcoin.

So how about you stop with the FUD, huh? No one's buying.

What FUD?
Wright shall prove it cryptographically to all of us. Open in the public. It's so easy if he really would be Satoshi.
But he isn't doing it! Why?
Furthermore the people here give a damn what Gavin Andresen or Jon Matonis say.And why? Because it doesn't matter.
This can be solved in a few minutes.Cryptographic prove and that's it. Or move one of the early mined coins. The story with the coins locked in a trust was just another story to fool us all.


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Gavin elaborated the "proof" he claims to have seen on gizmodo, but it all relies on his belief Craig Wright's computer had not been tampered with, and the Electrum software he used had not been tampered with.

http://gizmodo.com/gavin-andresen-i-was-not-hacked-and-i-believe-craig-w-1774226431

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Andreen said that he had privately witnessed Wright giving more thorough and convincing cryptographic proof of his identity than what had been offered in the blog post, a claim he also made earlier this morning on Reddit.

“He signed, in my presence, using the private key from block one—block number one, the very first mined Bitcoin block, on a computer I’m convinced had not been tampered with, on software that I’m convinced had not been tampered with, a message of my choosing. And so that kind of sealed the deal for me, convincing me that he does have that private key,” Andresen said. “My interactions with him feel like this is the inventor of Bitcoin.”

Bitcoin was invented a trustless. We don't want to have to trust Gavin's appraisal of whether Wright's computer had been tampered with, we want cryptographic proof we can check ourselves.
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