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[Andre#]

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You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.

ELI5 who I wire actual irl money to, and why it won't get stolen immediately.

1) The bitcoins are programmed to be released only when two of three people agree that the money has been received.
2) When the money gets to your bank account you and the buyer release your coins.
3) If you lie about it, the buyer and a random aribitrator release your coins.

Not sure that I would trust it...  but seems legit.

Did this with a SEPA transfer on bitquick once. The guy sent me 180 euro. I saw the transfer go through to my account. I released the bitcoins.

2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

Sounds like:
I sold a table once. The guy paid me 180 euro. I saw the bank notes fall in the palm of my hand. I gave him the table.

2 days later my central bank calls me and says someone's house had been burgled and the bank notes were stolen (they presented to me the list of serial numbers of the stolen bank notes) and that I had to give those bank notes back to them. Nothing I could do at that point.

Hence, it doesn't happen like that. If you can show you sold or exchanged something for that money, it's yours. No shopkeeper ever had to give money back because he accepted what turned out to be stolen money. Only if you knew the money was stolen, then you're in trouble. (e.g. asking and receiving a ridiculous commission for swapping BTC to cash raises the suspicion that you may have known it was fishy.)

It has happened a few times that scammers bought BTC from me while not paying for it themselves, but manipulating others into sending money to my bank account. I've never had to pay anything back, since I could always prove I was acting in good faith.

However, such scams are a possible threat to Bitsquare, because buyers and sellers are insulated from each other, which makes it difficult (if not impossible) for the receiver of fiat to assess the sender of fiat actually knows he is buying BTC. On the other hand, it also offers perfect deniability.

[whored]

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2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

I had the same thing happen on Venmo... those fuckers.  

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message

I don't know whether I should feed any trolls, yet if you could explain your amorphous response causing it to become less amorphous, that would be great.   

Sure. But first you gotta delineate the aspects of aforementioned amorphicity you feel are too nebulous, and thus may benefit from further, that is to say more rigorous, definition.

[Denker]

That looks nice if you ask me!
450 soon? What do you think?

[whored]

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You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.

ELI5 who I wire actual irl money to, and why it won't get stolen immediately.

1) The bitcoins are programmed to be released only when two of three people agree that the money has been received.
2) When the money gets to your bank account you and the buyer release your coins.
3) If you lie about it, the buyer and a random aribitrator release your coins.

Not sure that I would trust it...  but seems legit.

Did this with a SEPA transfer on bitquick once. The guy sent me 180 euro. I saw the transfer go through to my account. I released the bitcoins.

2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

Sounds like:
I sold a table once. The guy paid me 180 euro. I saw the bank notes fall in the palm of my hand. I gave him the table.

2 days later my central bank calls me and says someone's house had been burgled and the bank notes were stolen (they presented to me the list of serial numbers of the stolen bank notes) and that I had to give those bank notes back to them. Nothing I could do at that point.

Hence, it doesn't happen like that. If you can show you sold or exchanged something for that money, it's yours. No shopkeeper ever had to give money back because he accepted what turned out to be stolen money. Only if you knew the money was stolen, then you're in trouble. (e.g. asking and receiving a ridiculous commission for swapping BTC to cash raises the suspicion that you may have known it was fishy.)

It has happened a few times that scammers bought BTC from me while not paying for it themselves, but manipulating others into sending money to my bank account. I've never had to pay anything back, since I could always prove I was acting in good faith.

However, such scams are a possible threat to Bitsquare, because buyers and sellers are insulated from each other, which makes it difficult (if not impossible) for the receiver of fiat to assess the sender of fiat actually knows he is buying BTC. On the other hand, it also offers perfect deniability.

I can see how JJG could have gotten chumped, but Elwar does that shit all the time, he's the proverbial money changer. If Elwar could get pwnt like that, what of us mere mortals?

Seriously tho, check the context before replying. We're talking about the fail that is decentralized exchange.

[ImI]

Steam incoming.

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/723230754113724416

[JayJuanGee]

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2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

I had the same thing happen on Venmo... those fuckers.  

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message

I don't know whether I should feed any trolls, yet if you could explain your amorphous response causing it to become less amorphous, that would be great.   

Sure. But first you gotta delineate the aspects of aforementioned amorphicity you feel are too nebulous, and thus may benefit from further, that is to say more rigorous, definition.

Naw...

I'm not going to play this stupid-ass game, in which you continue to fail/refuse to clarify the meaning of your simple sentence, i.e.:  "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message "

[whored]

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2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

I had the same thing happen on Venmo... those fuckers. ÂÂÂÂ

It's not about the money, it's about sending a message

I don't know whether I should feed any trolls, yet if you could explain your amorphous response causing it to become less amorphous, that would be great.  ÃƒÂ‚ÂÂ

Sure. But first you gotta delineate the aspects of aforementioned amorphicity you feel are too nebulous, and thus may benefit from further, that is to say more rigorous, definition.

Naw...

I'm not going to play this stupid-ass game, in which you continue to fail/refuse to clarify the meaning of your simple sentence, i.e.:Â  "It's not about the money, it's about sending a message "

I just thought it was some cold-blooded shit to say to a motherfucker before I popped a cap in his ass

[Fatman3001]

Steam incoming.

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/723230754113724416

FINALLY!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! !!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

[criptix]

Steam incoming.

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/723230754113724416

Good stuff took them long enough.
Now we just need a way how kids can easily change their billions of fiat money in bitcoin without problems

[Wexlike]

This is not Valve!

[Andre#]

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You can use SEPA, OKpay, etc. The exchange is just starting, but it has lots of potential. At least, it is impossible to take down.

ELI5 who I wire actual irl money to, and why it won't get stolen immediately.

1) The bitcoins are programmed to be released only when two of three people agree that the money has been received.
2) When the money gets to your bank account you and the buyer release your coins.
3) If you lie about it, the buyer and a random aribitrator release your coins.

Not sure that I would trust it...  but seems legit.

Did this with a SEPA transfer on bitquick once. The guy sent me 180 euro. I saw the transfer go through to my account. I released the bitcoins.

2 days later my bank calls me and says the person's account that sent me the money was hacked and that they needed to refund the 180 euro. Nothing I could do at that point.

Sounds like:
I sold a table once. The guy paid me 180 euro. I saw the bank notes fall in the palm of my hand. I gave him the table.

2 days later my central bank calls me and says someone's house had been burgled and the bank notes were stolen (they presented to me the list of serial numbers of the stolen bank notes) and that I had to give those bank notes back to them. Nothing I could do at that point.

Hence, it doesn't happen like that. If you can show you sold or exchanged something for that money, it's yours. No shopkeeper ever had to give money back because he accepted what turned out to be stolen money. Only if you knew the money was stolen, then you're in trouble. (e.g. asking and receiving a ridiculous commission for swapping BTC to cash raises the suspicion that you may have known it was fishy.)

It has happened a few times that scammers bought BTC from me while not paying for it themselves, but manipulating others into sending money to my bank account. I've never had to pay anything back, since I could always prove I was acting in good faith.

However, such scams are a possible threat to Bitsquare, because buyers and sellers are insulated from each other, which makes it difficult (if not impossible) for the receiver of fiat to assess the sender of fiat actually knows he is buying BTC. On the other hand, it also offers perfect deniability.

I can see how JJG could have gotten chumped, but Elwar does that shit all the time, he's the proverbial money changer. If Elwar could get pwnt like that, what of us mere mortals?

Seriously tho, check the context before replying. We're talking about the fail that is decentralized exchange.

I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.

[whored]

BFX leading this? On no volume? I'm confuse...

I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.

Yeah, me too. Made me three million dollars already. No way for you to verify it, could be lying through my teeth, but hey, that's the beauty of it, amirite?

[hd060053]

nice, steam will accept BTC

[kehtolo]

Chart porn..



Even though i just drew some lines on a chart

[Denker]

Steam incoming.

https://twitter.com/SteamDB/status/723230754113724416

That was overdue!!
And just the price is up to 452!!!
Some "steam" for our lokomotive!

[Ted E. Bare]

$500 before the 1st of May?

[Andre#]

I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.

Yeah, me too. Made three million dollars already. No way for you to verify it, could be lying through my teeth, but hey, that's the beauty of it, amirite?

You'll probably say I photoshopped it together...

[Fakhoury]

This is not Valve!

I agree, but SteamDB is a reliable source

[Fatman3001]

I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.

Yeah, me too. Made three million dollars already. No way for you to verify it, could be lying through my teeth, but hey, that's the beauty of it, amirite?

You'll probably say I photoshopped it together...

sweet...

crypto trading without exchanges going awol

[whored]

I not only checked the context,  I'm trading on Bitsquare now (two bids, two asks, one trade ongoing). It works like a charm, I'm impressed how mature the software is. No failing in sight, yet.

Yeah, me too. Made three million dollars already. No way for you to verify it, could be lying through my teeth, but hey, that's the beauty of it, amirite?

[img width=800 ]https://i.imgur.com/lWsTQaE.png[/img]

You'll probably say I photoshopped it together...

Not at all. Here's proof that I made $3 million US trading on that fine exchange without incident:

https://i.imgur.com/lWsTQaE.png

You'll probably say I photoshopped it together...

Edit: Am I reading that (my) screencap right? There's 5 Euros' worth of BTC on that exchange, and 3.5 BTC if I want to use USD? That's, like, a whole used car. Probably won't get a sticker, but hey, at that price, who got time for statist bullshit like safety inspections, amirite?