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June 14, 2016, 02:32:12 AM

Just got back from the ballpark and I see nothing's changed. Still going sideways trying to break $700 resistance.

This could go on for a while. Why do the Chinese wait until the weekends to go on buying sprees?
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June 14, 2016, 02:38:16 AM

Just got back from the ballpark and I see nothing's changed. Still going sideways trying to break $700 resistance.

This could go on for a while. Why do the Chinese wait until the weekends to go on buying sprees?
Yep, I was a bit surprised to see it hit 700, off and on today.... but its been great!  Smiley
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June 14, 2016, 02:55:45 AM


question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.

The ATH was so long ago it feels a little like ancient history now. Perhaps the market will simply shit all over it on its way north just to prove that we're in a juicy new era.

New ATH is better measured on market cap due to all the bitcoins that have been issued since the last ATH ... same as measuring the low versus previous ATH worked out more reliable for picking the low.

New ATH will be hit around $888 (~$13.9 bill market cap)... I'm expecting solid rocket boosters to be engaged if we go through that convincingly and since it is lower than current cost ($~950) fully expect it to happen but not sure how soon.
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June 14, 2016, 02:56:42 AM

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.
Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.
Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.
What fundamentals are we talking about? A bunch of guys in China running casinos exchanges while their buddies turn electricity into waste heat?

At least ETH isn't associated with child porn/failed drug dealers & extortionists, has a better backstory & is profitable. Like so:

http://s31.postimg.org/vn5dm5lqj/Capture.gif

>and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down ... then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  
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I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.
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June 14, 2016, 02:56:56 AM

You do know you can find on YouTube how you can melt a frying pan and make a gun out of it ... or melt some copper/bronze coins/wires to make some bullet shells.. and also the recipe for the inside content of the explosive power that goes inside it you can find.

Hm, sounds like a good way for noobs to blow their hands off.

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I can not stress this enough:

the average amount of bitcoin people will have is less than 0.003 bitcoin

So lets assume we use bitcoin on a mass scale... in exactly 35 years we will have Gold, Silver, Platinum, Copper, Sheep's Wood, Cotton, Corn, Water, Electricity .... all commodity and currency that can be thrown in to BTCitcoin to devalue its own value.

If you think of $$ dollars ... you are royally f^#@%!!! ... because lets say in 35 years 1 kilo of gold = 0.0001BTC000000000000000... and the dollar is devalued 800x times the amount of gold.

And some people here might not know that devaluation is a spiral effect! It is not only pegged to BTCitcoin ... they will try to do currency wars between each other! And if they all devalue ... then all currencies and commodities on this planet and other planets that we will mine ... will increase the value of BTCeastcoin.
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June 14, 2016, 02:57:14 AM

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.


I wonder if I should even respond to your nonsense.....

Yes, it's called fundamentals if you even considered facts beyond mere superficial quibblings around the word itself.  Fundamentals for bitcoin includes permissionless immutable decentralization that has been built upon quite extensively, which is a set of fundamentals that no other coin can meaningfully claim.  Yes, there are some coins that attempt some forms of decentralization and attempt to make meaningful improvements to bitcoin (such as monero and dash), and many claim decentralization in a kind of in-name only way, such as Ethereum, but many, including Ethereum, still do not have a decentralized proof of work infrastructure that secures a public ledger and presets value in such a manner that has been extensively time tested and attacked (like bitcoin has).

Your inability to call bitcoin by it's proper name, here, also goes to show that you are not even attempting to consider actual technical or use case facts.. because your goals appears to be denigrate, distort and make superficial and self-selective assertions.



Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.

What is bullshit, is you.  There may be a lot of folks who use bitcoin for legally questionable activities, yet you defy adult logic with your attempt to suggest that merely because there is quite a bit of questionably legal or even illegal activities within bitcoin, that the totality bitcoin has no legal purpose.


Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.

I doubt that we have enough information regarding this point, but you could be correct that bitcoin companies are not making money.  I personally would imagine that several of the exchanges have a lot of potential to make decent money.. but I don't really claim to know particulars, except for an understanding that frequently early venture capitalists will have difficulties monetizing within new industries.  That is not unique to bitcoin, and remains a so fucking what, because there are still companies investing into the space, and the space is still growing, so there remains decent potential to figure out various profitable business models within the bitcoin space.




Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.

You sound like a fucking old disgruntled and out of touch person-bot, here with your non-specifics... it's just "staggering", "staggering."    And, whatever, even if your assertion regarding "staggering" has some accuracy, bitcoin should not be condemned as a whole because of the fact that a large number of companies have run off with funds that were entrusted to them and easily able to transport without detection.  I doubt that you have any studies that would make any kind of statistically significant comparison to establish that bitcoin is worse than other industries in which large sums of money had been given to company owners.

In other words, you are just talking out of your ass with what you had read in your anti-bitcoin shill playing book.





What fundamentals are we talking about? A bunch of guys in China running casinos exchanges while their buddies turn electricity into waste heat?

Bitcoin is much more diverse than China..... why don't you provide some support for your xenophobic claims.



At least ETH isn't associated with child porn/failed drug dealers & extortionists,

likely not associated with any kind of meaningful commercial use, because it remains too much of a newbie and lacks liquidation avenues (even though some ETH liquidation avenues are currently growing, they are no where near bitcoin's liquidation abilities at this time).






 has a better backstory


who gives a shit about.. your attempt to distort a backstory with selective emphasis on negative aspects...



& is profitable. Like so:




Yeah, you can look at one day here and there, and so fucking what?  The lack of establishment in ETH is going to make that downside quite hurtful when it does take place.  Bitcoin has already gone through several of those early day stages of extensive negative price performance.

Another problem with ETH is that after some of the hype wears off, a large number of folks are probably going to come to realize that there really wasn't much of any there, there, in spite of a lot of the pie in the sky hype regarding ETH and DAO etc...

Yeah, of course, there is a bit of there, there, but it is no where near the level of fantastical hype.





>and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down ... then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  <<<<<

Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise Cheesy


You seem to be wrongly implying that I am making some kind of complement?  Part of my point is "buyer beware."  Sure it is possible that ETH could experience another 2x, or 5x or even 10x, but even if it does experience these kinds of additional pumps, there still seems to remain considerable issues regarding what's behind the curtain and can it actually deliver without considerable downfallings... I am already amazingly surprised that it was able to be pumped beyond $5, so I don't really claim to know or understand what some of the finanancial forces behind the pump and whether they may be losing money to sustain such an ETH pump and until what point they will continue to engage in such pumping.  I know banks and even governments such as the usa government has an enormous budget to be able to pump such a stupid ass deceptive concept such as ETH, but it does not mean that I am going to invest in such ridiculousness or even recommend such, even though people could profit from such seemingly nonsensical and foundation lacking speculation.


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June 14, 2016, 03:06:47 AM

5 months on...

14th Jan 2016: $429.74
                                                                                          
Bitcoin... has failed
                                                                  
The death spiral begins
                                                                  
Bitcoin has no future
Bitcoin has entered [...] a crisis of the core system, the block chain itself.
the long term trend should probably be downwards.
the network is on the brink of technical collapse.


14th June 2016: $697.47

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Even at the time of the rage quit, likely a good 80-90% of the folks  in these threads who are quasi-educated about bitcoin recognized the Hearn statements to be nearly complete nonsense and attempts at causing a negative impact.

Nonetheless, we couldn't really affect the market reaction, which was also coupled with timing that helped to exacerbate the negative affect on prices. 

And, yeah, thereafter, it took a couple of months (probably until late March or early April before it began to kind of sink in that the rage quit and the hype over classic was not substantial and largely a ploy. 

Now, it is beginning to look as if the realization over such nonsense is going to go down in history as a kind of turning point for our next bubble - to the extent that we remember these playing out of events 10 years later?
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June 14, 2016, 03:11:34 AM


question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.

The ATH was so long ago it feels a little like ancient history now. Perhaps the market will simply shit all over it on its way north just to prove that we're in a juicy new era.

New ATH is better measured on market cap due to all the bitcoins that have been issued since the last ATH ... same as measuring the low versus previous ATH worked out more reliable for picking the low.

New ATH will be hit around $888 (~$13.9 bill market cap)... I'm expecting solid rocket boosters to be engaged if we go through that convincingly and since it is lower than current cost ($~950) fully expect it to happen but not sure how soon.


>>>>>>since it is lower than current cost ($~950) fully expect it to happen but not sure how soon<<<<<<


What do you mean by "current costs?"   Are you talking about your own current costs or some other way of coming to $950 for "current costs?"
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question will be what happens at 1150? ath should be a decent resistance.

The ATH was so long ago it feels a little like ancient history now. Perhaps the market will simply shit all over it on its way north just to prove that we're in a juicy new era.

New ATH is better measured on market cap due to all the bitcoins that have been issued since the last ATH ... same as measuring the low versus previous ATH worked out more reliable for picking the low.

New ATH will be hit around $888 (~$13.9 bill market cap)... I'm expecting solid rocket boosters to be engaged if we go through that convincingly and since it is lower than current cost ($~950) fully expect it to happen but not sure how soon.

What current costs?
The most efficient miners can mine under $200/BTC and still get profit.

Even when the price was stable around 200 the hashpower still increased
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June 14, 2016, 03:34:53 AM

You are just on and on about Ethereum, and it seems that you don't even believe the bullcrap that you are spouting.

Who the fuck knows about short term price directions of ETH?  I'm sure they can continue to pump Ethereum for a while, but there is just a lack of fundamentals - at least in respect to the decentralized aspect of it, and at some point it is going to have to come cascading down.  

Yeah, they can keep pumping it, but when there is a lack of some of the fundamentals, then sooner or later people are going to recognize the lack of there, there.  

Lol @ unironically trotting out fundamentals while invested in beetcoin.


I wonder if I should even respond to your nonsense.....

Yes, it's called fundamentals if you even considered facts beyond mere superficial quibblings around the word itself.  Fundamentals for bitcoin includes permissionless immutable decentralization that has been built upon quite extensively, which is a set of fundamentals that no other coin can meaningfully claim.  Yes, there are some coins that attempt some forms of decentralization and attempt to make meaningful improvements to bitcoin (such as monero and dash), and many claim decentralization in a kind of in-name only way, such as Ethereum, but many, including Ethereum, still do not have a decentralized proof of work infrastructure that secures a public ledger and presets value in such a manner that has been extensively time tested and attacked (like bitcoin has).

Your inability to call bitcoin by it's proper name, here, also goes to show that you are not even attempting to consider actual technical or use case facts.. because your goals appears to be denigrate, distort and make superficial and self-selective assertions.



Number of non-criminal unique bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived bullshit: ZERO.

What is bullshit, is you.  There may be a lot of folks who use bitcoin for legally questionable activities, yet you defy adult logic with your attempt to suggest that merely because there is quite a bit of questionably legal or even illegal activities within bitcoin, that the totality has no legal purpose.

I didn't suggest that it is impossible to use BTC for legal activities, or that no one has ever done it. I said that there are no unique1 bitcoin use cases that aren't contrived or bullshit.2
It is possible to drive nails with the butt of a broomhandle Mauser, and I'm certain people have done it, but:
1. You don't need to buy a Mauser to drive nails, and the broomhandle one is a particularly bad choice. You can drive nails with a hammer, or a rock.
Therefore, nail-driving is not a *unique use case* for broomhandle Mousers.
2. Please don't say "but what if you're in early 1900s China and you have to defend yourself from rival warlords and fix a lose leg on that little demilune that is held together with nails because Chinese. Because that's contrived bullshit.
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Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that have made money for their investors: ZERO.
I doubt that we have enough information regarding this point,
I got more than enough, thank you.
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Number of non-criminal bitcoin companies that went belly up/simply ran away with the money: staggering.
You sound like a fucking old disgruntled and out of touch person-bot.
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I think you'll find that any widely used currency will see a substantial amount of it being spent on criminal shit, obviously, so that points invalid really imo.

Most currencies aren't used *primarily* for khrymez. Bitcoin is an unnoticeable fraction of a fraction of 1% of world's currencies, yet it's already responsible for 40% criminal to criminal payments (c2c) on the interweb.
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Lol, reading some of this funny stuff.

Bitcoin is the greatest invention since sliced bread. Opened up a new world of technology in the blockchain business and so on.... and is better than trading baseball cards. Ya, so what if some folks have to pay hackers in Bitcoin when they get hit with Crypto Locker or something  Grin always going to be criminal activity with everything that's has a value.
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June 14, 2016, 03:53:38 AM

yeah i don't get it jimbo. we in for another week of sideways and then on saturday night we go mental again?
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June 14, 2016, 03:55:29 AM

Bitc00n is R teh Rev0lutone !@!12@! LOLLL

HAXXXXXX Bitcoin bear pity party wayyyhhhhhhh :PPPP



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June 14, 2016, 04:01:00 AM

I wonder if I should even respond to your nonsense.....
 

 

You may need to see the doctor for your inability to stay on topic, old cooter.... because your points make little to no sense in the context of this thread or in response to my previous points. 

Seems that at least we had been attempting to discuss matters related to bitcoin's past, present or future price movements, but you started deviating into some other non-relevant topic(s).    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

By the way, the use case for bitcoin is whatever the fuck people figure out regarding how they want to use bitcoin.. that is part of the  point of permissionless decentralized immutability.... they don't have to ask and make sure that cooters like you or anyone else agrees, as long as they can get it to work for themselves and/or the people they deal with....  Thank you Satoshi...  Cheesy Cheesy
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Lol, reading some of this funny stuff.

Bitcoin is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
BTCeanie BTCabies are the greatest invention since sliced bread. Ty Warner was the guy Satoshi stole the whole "value through artificial scarcity" bit.

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Opened up a new world of technology in the blockchain business and so on.... and is better than trading baseball cards.
Name one profitable blockchain business.

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Ya, so what if some folks have to pay hackers in Bitcoin when they get hit with Crypto Locker or something  Grin always going to be criminal activity with everything that's has a value.
Bitcoin is as suited to crime as Mausers are to killing people. How many times does this need to be repeated?
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Lol, reading some of this funny stuff.

Bitcoin is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
BTCeanie BTCabies are the greatest invention since sliced bread. Ty Warner was the guy Satoshi stole the whole "value through artificial scarcity" bit.

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Opened up a new world of technology in the blockchain business and so on.... and is better than trading baseball cards.
Name one profitable blockchain business.

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Ya, so what if some folks have to pay hackers in Bitcoin when they get hit with Crypto Locker or something  Grin always going to be criminal activity with everything that's has a value.
Bitcoin is as suited to crime as Mausers are to killing people. How many times does this need to be repeated?
I guess its safe to assume you don't like bitcoin lol  Roll Eyes
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You may need to see the doctor for your inability to stay on topic, old cooter....

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And again: You can't see the pertinence due to not understanding what I said, and you didn't understand what I said because you're stupid.
Work on not being so stupid, JJG.
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Lol, reading some of this funny stuff.

Bitcoin is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
BTCeanie BTCabies are the greatest invention since sliced bread. Ty Warner was the guy Satoshi stole the whole "value through artificial scarcity" bit.

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Opened up a new world of technology in the blockchain business and so on.... and is better than trading baseball cards.
Name one profitable blockchain business.

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Ya, so what if some folks have to pay hackers in Bitcoin when they get hit with Crypto Locker or something  Grin always going to be criminal activity with everything that's has a value.
Bitcoin is as suited to crime as Mausers are to killing people. How many times does this need to be repeated?
Ok, since you have it in for bitcoin, Do you like Ethereum or Dogecoin or any alts or anything digital? currency wise?  Huh

Edit: Personally I could really care less lol, I am just killing time waiting for my son to get here with some lime pie, that's what really matters!  Grin

Lime Pie only .004 BTC per slice! will except alt coins of equal value  Wink
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Lol, reading some of this funny stuff.

Bitcoin is the greatest invention since sliced bread.
BTCeanie BTCabies are the greatest invention since sliced bread. Ty Warner was the guy Satoshi stole the whole "value through artificial scarcity" bit.

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Opened up a new world of technology in the blockchain business and so on.... and is better than trading baseball cards.
Name one profitable blockchain business.

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Ya, so what if some folks have to pay hackers in Bitcoin when they get hit with Crypto Locker or something  Grin always going to be criminal activity with everything that's has a value.
Bitcoin is as suited to crime as Mausers are to killing people. How many times does this need to be repeated?
Ok, since you have it in for bitcoin, Do you like Ethereum or Dogecoin or any alts or anything digital? currency wise?  Huh

Edit: Personally I could really care less lol, I am just killing time waiting for my son to get here with some lime pie, that's what really matters!  Grin

Lime Pie only .004 BTC per slice! will except alt coins of equal value  Wink

What makes you think I hate bitcoin? Because I pointed out that it's ridiculous & so well suited for doing them khrymez?
Look, I love unreasonably fast street cars, those have no practical use whatsoever either.
Bitcoin is a [slightly more socially acceptable] form of gambling. I just find it hilarious when people pimp it by claiming it's anything but.
Re. other coins, ETH has been doing relatively well, and has a way cool backstory/pitch. Let me see how it's doing ...
http://s32.postimg.org/klhsrrpmd/Capture.gif
Huh, not bad. Roughly ...what is it, like  x8 better than BTC?
...but ETH doesn't have BTC's robust fundamentals Roll Eyes
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What happened to all that Chinese volume?
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