Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[JimboToronto]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we're still slowly creeping up... currently $1244USD (Bitcoinaverage) after briefly passing $1250.

Conquering $1250 for good could take a few days. Gold is also creeping upward but not as fast as Bitcoin.

Nice to see Stamp holding its own and slowly rising despite the obvious fairly large chunks being sold, probably by people who have bought at Finex in an attempt to get their money out.

Slow and steady wins the race.

[JayJuanGee]

That's the other thing I don't understand.  Nobody in this thread seems to be worried at all about the complete collapse of interest/trading/price in China.  If China fails to be market leader simply by turning off wash trading, and then falls significantly behind the west in price on top of that, it kinda indicates the entire price was just being propped up by fraud in the first place.  They don't call the Chinese the Jews of Asia for nothing.  They're one of the only groups on earth who can compete toe to toe vs the heebs in financial fraud.

have you followed the tether mess? finex has been slowly increasing USDT supply by 125% over the last month.Thats how they've been paying back the BFX tokens and staying a float despite the BTC withdrawals.Its gonna be a huge mess when the whole thing explodes. people should be fucking scared but not they seem happy and euphoric LOL

Can you explain either the logic or the facts in this a little bit better?

I understand that there may have been some fractional reserve type activities in order for Bitfinex to pay back BFX tokens so quickly - however, I don't really understand the USDT connection.

You are suggesting that Bitfinex has been using USDT in the background - however, they do not use USDT on their exchange as an option for their users? 

In essence, you are also saying that USDT is not really backed up 1:1 - and that Bitfinex powers that be have some control over USDT?

[Qartada]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we're still slowly creeping up... currently $1244USD (Bitcoinaverage) after briefly passing $1250.

Conquering $1250 for good could take a few days. Gold is also creeping upward but not as fast as Bitcoin.

Nice to see Stamp holding its own and slowly rising despite the obvious fairly large chunks being sold, probably by people who have bought at Finex in an attempt to get their money out.

Slow and steady wins the race.

It's not really slow and steady, it's just slow by Bitcoin's standards.  We're definitely not conquering $1250 for good, it's quite unlikely we've even conquered $1000 for good because we can't foresee the future.

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

[york780]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we're still slowly creeping up... currently $1244USD (Bitcoinaverage) after briefly passing $1250.

Conquering $1250 for good could take a few days. Gold is also creeping upward but not as fast as Bitcoin.

Nice to see Stamp holding its own and slowly rising despite the obvious fairly large chunks being sold, probably by people who have bought at Finex in an attempt to get their money out.

Slow and steady wins the race.

It's not really slow and steady, it's just slow by Bitcoin's standards.  We're definitely not conquering $1250 for good, it's quite unlikely we've even conquered $1000 for good because we can't foresee the future.

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

BTC vs BU, Wu, Roger Ver, Bitfinex, OKcoin, network spam, altcoins, shemes, goverments, banks etc etc. Who will win?

[JayJuanGee]

Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we're still slowly creeping up... currently $1244USD (Bitcoinaverage) after briefly passing $1250.

Conquering $1250 for good could take a few days. Gold is also creeping upward but not as fast as Bitcoin.

Nice to see Stamp holding its own and slowly rising despite the obvious fairly large chunks being sold, probably by people who have bought at Finex in an attempt to get their money out.

Slow and steady wins the race.

It's not really slow and steady, it's just slow by Bitcoin's standards.  We're definitely not conquering $1250 for good, it's quite unlikely we've even conquered $1000 for good because we can't foresee the future.

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

Looks like someone may have shorted too soon.  You are talking shit when you are suggesting that there is not enough buying support out there.

In terms of what you are saying, I would really like to get a correction to $1,000 - so I can stock up some more, but surely I have enough BTC, even if we do not experience any more meaningful correction in the near future.

Currently, it is not looking like you should be relying on anything below $1,200 because it is possible that you could get left behind at the train station....

Ever since about $600, I have kept thinking that this thing cannot keep going up, and it does... Furthermore, since $600 we have experienced a couple pretty decent corrections, so we do not necessarily need more in order to continue to go UP.....

Like they say, when we are in a bull market, buy the dips... and it seems that we have been in this bull market since about late 2015 and there is no real indication that such bull market is either stopping or reversing.. in spite of various whiners, various bitcoin is deaders, various alt coin pumpers and various other bitcoin nay sayers.   

[JimboToronto]

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

Nonsense. Wishful thinking will get you nowhere.

I'm sorry you missed the chance to buy while they were in triple digits.

It's not too late to get them while they're still cheaper than ounces of gold.

[Kramerc]

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

Nonsense. Wishful thinking will get you nowhere.

I'm sorry you missed the chance to buy while they were in triple digits.

It's not too late to get them while they're still cheaper than ounces of gold.

Haven't we been hearing this since before $300?

Sour grapes and all...

[Qartada]

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

Nonsense. Wishful thinking will get you nowhere.

I'm sorry you missed the chance to buy while they were in triple digits.

It's not too late to get them while they're still cheaper than ounces of gold.

Haven't we been hearing this since before $300?

Sour grapes and all...

You've taken it out of context.  I didn't mean to imply that Bitcoin would fall so dramatically that it wouldn't recover, that it would fail or even that we're moving into a bear market.  I was just saying that when there's growth this quick with no serious positive events to cause it, it's reasonable to think that at the very least there will be a serious correction before it keeps moving forward.

Bitcoin is in a bull market but that doesn't mean there haven't been giant fluctuations in that time.

[Searing]

This has some btc context. Seq witness is a done deal on LTC.

http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-miners-back-plan-support-segwit-blockchain-upgrade/

[Kramerc]

OK, I might've misunderstood your post but there is no such thing as "unnatural growth", except after a significant top is in, and there are no new buyers coming into the market. Throughout this entire rally there hasn't yet been that moment when people on the wrong side of the market are simply left behind. And that moment that makes lots of newcomers rush to the eco-system, looking to buy everything and anything they can get their hands on.

Did you sell at $800 during the rally to $1140? Had the chance to rebuy at the same price during the dump to $780. Sold at any price during the run-up to $1350? Didn't matter, you could buy in the dump to $890. Market still hasn't "punished" people that want to buy but are too greedy and want to wait for lower prices.

I expect this to happen, sooner rather than later.

[JayJuanGee]

What we can see though is that this is unnatural growth and it's not going to keep going.  It's going to fall soon enough.

Nonsense. Wishful thinking will get you nowhere.

I'm sorry you missed the chance to buy while they were in triple digits.

It's not too late to get them while they're still cheaper than ounces of gold.

Haven't we been hearing this since before $300?

Sour grapes and all...

You've taken it out of context.  I didn't mean to imply that Bitcoin would fall so dramatically that it wouldn't recover, that it would fail or even that we're moving into a bear market.  I was just saying that when there's growth this quick with no serious positive events to cause it, it's reasonable to think that at the very least there will be a serious correction before it keeps moving forward.

Bitcoin is in a bull market but that doesn't mean there haven't been giant fluctuations in that time.

Again more nonsense and back tracking.

Of course, a correction can happen at any time, yet we have already had two fairly significant corrections on the way up from $600.. and another correction is not a necessary condition, as you seem to be asserting based on your suggestion that we are in a bubble or an overly inflated price situation.. .. which you seem to be hoping for down rather than preparing for more up..   Either can happen, of course, but don't over-prepare yourself for down when it might not happen..

[JayJuanGee]

OK, I might've misunderstood your post but there is no such thing as "unnatural growth", except after a significant top is in, and there are no new buyers coming into the market. Throughout this entire rally there hasn't yet been that moment when people on the wrong side of the market are simply left behind. And that moment that makes lots of newcomers rush to the eco-system, looking to buy everything and anything they can get their hands on.

Did you sell at $800 during the rally to $1140? Had the chance to rebuy at the same price during the dump to $780. Sold at any price during the run-up to $1350? Didn't matter, you could buy in the dump to $890. Market still hasn't "punished" people that want to buy but are too greedy and want to wait for lower prices.

I expect this to happen, sooner rather than later.

Wow.. great point.  The punishment point.   

[cmacwiz]

Happy days, the price is creeping up. Whilst nothing overly exciting (long term) a successful assault on $1300 would feel good.

As for BFX, they've had so many problems over the last year or two. I have no idea why people were still willing to leave bitcoin's or USD there. So many warnings but people continued to use them. Fuckinh stupid if you ask me.

Interestingly, bitfinex's determination to fix their problems (bfx tokens) makes them come across as honestly trying. Why would an exchange suddenly act maliciously and fleece everybody, when they have worked hard to make up for their past technical and financial issues? Then again, Gox had (and tried to fix?) problems before the big heist.

When you play with fire, you can get burnt. You can also cook a great steak.

[JayJuanGee]

Happy days, the price is creeping up. Whilst nothing overly exciting (long term) a successful assault on $1300 would feel good.

As for BFX, they've had so many problems over the last year or two. I have no idea why people were still willing to leave bitcoin's or USD there. So many warnings but people continued to use them. Fuckinh stupid if you ask me.

Interestingly, bitfinex's determination to fix their problems (bfx tokens) makes them come across as honestly trying. Why would an exchange suddenly act maliciously and fleece everybody, when they have worked hard to make up for their past technical and financial issues? Then again, Gox had (and tried to fix?) problems before the big heist.

When you play with fire, you can get burnt. You can also cook a great steak.

I have been pondering this a bit too.

My dollar situation on Bitfinex is a bit strange.

In August 2016, just like everyone else who held value on Bitfinex, about 36% of my value on Bitfinex was socialized into BFX tokens, and over about 7 months those BFX tokens were slowly reimbursed.. maybe around 10% of them were reimbursed into dollars between September 2016 and March 2017, even though bitcoin prices doubled during that time.

So, yeah there ended up being opportunity costs to have had value tied up in BFX tokens, but then April 3, Bitfinex reimbursed 100% of all of the then outstanding BFX tokens, which caused my account to have a larger percentage of dollars in the account.

Thereafter, when the bank account drama developed and therefore BTC price disparities, it became less feasible to buy bitcoins with dollars on Bitfinex because the price of bitcoins on Bitfinex turned into about a 5-8% premium.

And, again the price disparity that conveniently came after they had redeemed all BFX tokens seems like another opportunity for insiders on Bitfinex to game the system.

Sure, I don't really want to read malice into coincidences and/or incompetence, but sometimes the longer that the disparity exists, the more opportunities seem to exist for insiders to exploit and make appearances as one thing when other things are going on (isn't that smoke and mirrors?).
 
I guess that I am saying that the situation can become a bit more irritating, when you might hold value there and then you recognize these little ways in which your value is potentially being undermined and/or manipulated in ways that are really difficult to prove.

Again, I am not really much of any kind of conspiracist, but these coincidental disparities continue to cause concerns.

[JimboToronto]

I was just saying that when there's growth this quick with no serious positive events to cause it, it's reasonable to think that at the very least there will be a serious correction before it keeps moving forward.

I don't see Bitcoin's recent growth as being quick. I see it as slow and fairly steady.

It's been correcting itself as it goes along. Today is a good example. After breaking $1250 it pulled back $10.

I also don't think it needs any reason for growth other than the natural continued adoption worldwide and the pre-planned scarcity that was programmed into it.

Bitcoin is neither over-bought nor overvalued. If anything it is oversold due to the fiat transfer crisis at Finex leading to the dumping of coins on other exchanges

[Holliday]

Wall spotted, BitStamp. 1k bid at spot.

[bitserve]

This is very weird.

It's the first time that, being so close to ATH, the thread is not full of rocket pictures and moon posts... In fact, I haven't seen any.

Bullish?

[bartolo]

I think that bitcoin is simply walking the way it went going before rumors about the possible hardfork stopped its scale for some time.

[york780]

This is very weird.

It's the first time that, being so close to ATH, the thread is not full of rocket pictures and moon posts... In fact, I haven't seen any.

Bullish?

Its a really good development. Everytime we post rockets here it caused bad luck and we crashed. Dont post any rockets or we are doomed

[Denker]

This is very weird.

It's the first time that, being so close to ATH, the thread is not full of rocket pictures and moon posts... In fact, I haven't seen any.

Bullish?

Well it seems people are getting used to that price level.
For pictures of rocket launches or bitcoin heading moon I think we will need a new ATH or some short crazy upwards spike!