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[JayJuanGee]

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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite)  - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ...

So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273

Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny.

That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly.

... exactly same as with SW ... 

Are you fucking nuts?  It is not "exactly same as with SW".


Come out from under the bridge, hv_.  Segwit is already a done deal.  Where have you been?  Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated.  Hello?  The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah...

The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit.  Are you with me?  You understand?

so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second  all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior  agreed?

You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that.  We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia?  That is where we are at.

On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus.  Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS.  That is correct!!!!!

Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated.

[JayJuanGee]

..., I have been participating substantively in this thread way fucking longer than you, ...

Serious question, JJG - do you think that this entitles you to some sort of special deference?

Seriously, I don't raise such status card too often; however, it should cause me some deference

Dude... get over yourself. This is your first Bitcoin pump, right?

I mean, I salute you for sticking with it through the long winter of 2014 (that lasted years)*, but you have no fucking idea. Go stand in the corner until you've been through _several_ boom/bust cycles.

* no, really - I do

With a dunce hat on, contemplating how stupid your 'deference' pronouncement sounds.

Stop trying to proclaim some kind of patronizing expertise when it comes to bitcoin exponential growth periods and/or your supposed informed life experiences. 

There is no exact litmus test that qualifies participation;

Jeebus. You're like a leaf, shaking in the wind.

Pick a position and _own_ it, ferchrissakes. Your spineless situational adaptation is laid bare... for all to observe.

ONLY you, jbreher, seem to be astute enough to detect such vulnerable traits within me.  You smartie pants, you.     

[Addressed]

We are closer to the $5000 mark, gotta test those resistance https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-ethereum-litecoin-price-analysis

[becoin]

No, my claim is that fees are ~1000x more on a Bitcoin Segwit transaction as compared to a Bitcoin Cash transaction.

There are more than 900 altcoins and their tx fees are 1000x less compared to a Bitcoin tx fee. Are they better money than Bitcoin? What's your point, dumby?

[bitcoinPsycho]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/07/bitcoin-up-sevenfold-since-warren-buffett-warned-digital-currency-was-a-mirage.html

Lol

[Lauda]

Putting all those paid shills for BCH/x2 altcoin aside, back to relevant things:

Bitstamp | Total bids: 56299221 USD. Total asks: 2853 BTC. Ratio: 19732.79138 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0167 seconds

Today marks the first day (at least based on my own observations) that we've had $56 million in bids on Bitstamp. I've been querying this several times through the days, and the asks were mostly the ones fluctuating.

Today we've beaten the previous high:

Bitstamp | Total bids: 57956573 USD. Total asks: 2415 BTC. Ratio: 23989.41228 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0161 seconds

[hv_]

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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite)  - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ...

So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273

Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny.

That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly.

... exactly same as with SW ... 

Are you fucking nuts?  It is not "exactly same as with SW".


Come out from under the bridge, hv_.  Segwit is already a done deal.  Where have you been?  Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated.  Hello?  The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah...

The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit.  Are you with me?  You understand?

so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second  all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior  agreed?

You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that.  We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia?  That is where we are at.

On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus.  Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS.  That is correct!!!!!

Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated.

Your massive post blahs do not prohibit that miners still can stifle SW TX - if they see need for.

Shilling SW is cheap fees is exactly not what miners might need?

I stop here feeding you - it does not make sense - we can agree on this?

[JayJuanGee]

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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite)  - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ...

So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273

Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny.

That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly.

... exactly same as with SW ... 

Are you fucking nuts?  It is not "exactly same as with SW".


Come out from under the bridge, hv_.  Segwit is already a done deal.  Where have you been?  Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated.  Hello?  The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah...

The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit.  Are you with me?  You understand?

so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second  all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior  agreed?

You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that.  We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia?  That is where we are at.

On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus.  Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS.  That is correct!!!!!

Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated.

Your massive post blahs do not prohibit that miners still can stifle SW TX - if they see need for.

Shilling SW is cheap fees is exactly not what miners might need?

I stop here feeding you - it does not make sense - we can agree on this?

Strange that you are accusing me of spreading nonsense, when you cannot come around to basic logical conclusions that segwit is now activated, and so you are fighting against something that is already done.  Does that make any sense?  We are not going to agree because you seem to be lacking in some basic knowledge, so if you cannot even get some of the basics correct, then why should we pursue arguments to higher levels?  You keep coming into various threads and spreading these kinds of misleading comments, then shouldn't people correct your basic lack of factual foundations - that is if your posts are not getting deleted for their misinformation.

[hv_]

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Charlie Lee (SatoshiLite)  - a clear No 2X supporter AND his fanboys voted more than 50% FOR the 2x ...

So we see too much FUD in the forums - relax and see the 2nd step of the compromise in the making

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/904565466667958273

Sure Twitter vote results are mostly rubbish, but given his followers + bias this is more than funny.

That poll hardly says anything about segwit2x, except that the responders to the poll are divided.. .. and if the ultimate deciders are divided, then likely segwit2x will not go through because in order to go through it is going to need overwhelming consensus rather than some random divided group about some vague topic about what the fuck iit is that they are supposedly supporting, exactly.

... exactly same as with SW ... 

Are you fucking nuts?  It is not "exactly same as with SW".


Come out from under the bridge, hv_.  Segwit is already a done deal.  Where have you been?  Segwit was locked in, and then it was activated.  Hello?  The same is not true about 2x blah blah blah...

The segwit ship has sailed, are you going to jump on board or live in the past in some kind of fantasy world, acting as if it still is an issue... done deal = segwit.  Are you with me?  You understand?

so to unify such a division / split there was this SW2x compromise (first step to get UASF guys into the boat, second  all the rest) - hope you get this some time, but this might be not important here. We should rather concentrate on good discussion behavior  agreed?

You seem to be referring to the past..... We are beyond that.  We are now in segwitlandia. Have you heard of segwitlandia?  That is where we are at.

On the other hand, sure there is an ongoing proposal about whether bitcoin should hardfork in a segwit2x hardfork.. that portion is not accomplished but merely a proposal and discussion point that seems to be a long way from consensus.  Segwit, on the other hand, has ALREADY ACHIEVED CONSENSUS.  That is correct!!!!!

Anyhow, I am not disagreeing about folks talking about 2x and wanting to get 2x; however, i am asserting that at this time, it appears that 2x does not have a very high level of consensus and is is not likely to be passed under the current bitcoin ruleset which requires a high level of consensus to get locked in and thereafter activated.

Your massive post blahs do not prohibit that miners still can stifle SW TX - if they see need for.

Shilling SW is cheap fees is exactly not what miners might need?

I stop here feeding you - it does not make sense - we can agree on this?

Strange that you are accusing me of spreading nonsense, when you cannot come around to basic logical conclusions that segwit is now activated, and so you are fighting against something that is already done.  Does that make any sense?  We are not going to agree because you seem to be lacking in some basic knowledge, so if you cannot even get some of the basics correct, then why should we pursue arguments to higher levels?  You keep coming into various threads and spreading these kinds of misleading comments, then shouldn't people correct your basic lack of factual foundations - that is if your posts are not getting deleted for their misinformation.

Are you in panic mode?

I just say clear:

SW is activated - ok - those who want to use it, can do. Might pay lower fees - good.

But you do not need if you don't want to - freedom of choice - good.


Same holds for miners - they can chose mining / including SW TX - or not.

Still miners could stifle SW TX.

Anything not clear or do you need more text?

[JayJuanGee]

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Are you in panic mode?

Why would I be in panic mode?  Are you nuts?  Things are going pretty fucking good for bitcoin.  It seems that big blockers remain in a kind of panic mode, and it is evidenced by their increasing escalating dramatic behavior and more and more severe attacks on bitcoin.

Bitcoin and the price seems to be handling these attacks pretty well, which seems to cause additional panic of some of the big blocker nutjobs.

I just say clear:

SW is activated - ok - those who want to use it, can do. Might pay lower fees - good.

But you do not need if you don't want to - freedom of choice - good.


Same holds for miners - they can chose mining / including SW TX - or not.

Still miners could stifle SW TX.

Anything not clear or do you need more text?

Again.. we seem to be repeating ourselves... and you are speculating a whole hell-of-a-lot based on a lot of assumptions and very little facts to support your conclusions.

We don't need more text to conclude your own attempts at spreading FUD.. and the price keeps moving against you.  Hopefully you are not betting in alignment with your ongoing FUD that has been going on much of this year with variations in changed topic but still common theme of doom and gloom of bitcoin...

Remember the new year with the passing of $1k.. and sure we corrected to $890 in March, but you bear troll banker shills have been having trouble keeping the price correlated with your doom and gloom rhetoric.  Accordingly, the BTC price has crashed a bit over 4x since the beginning of the year. 

Crashed up, that is.      Poor lillie bears.. having troubles.   

[hv_]

We don't need more text

Agreed -

[Meuh6879]

Just like Roger they think we pay $6-$8 per tx lol.

We do, or close enough.

My last transaction yesterday : 0,000008 BTC for fees.
On BTC network, yes ...

[Meuh6879]

Your forked shitcoins will never go anywhere, they are not supported by merchants.
They are not supported by the economic majority of users.
You can't buy anything with that shit.
All you can do is trade it back and forth to yourself.

[Meuh6879]

Bitcoin, coming up next 🚀 SegWit effect 🚀 Lightning in action 🚀 Free S2X tokens 🚀 Schnorr 🚀 MAST 🚀 ETF approval🚀 More users 🚀 ...

And many more !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1869168.0

[fabiorem]

We are closer to the $5000 mark, gotta test those resistance https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-ethereum-litecoin-price-analysis

Litecoin is so undervalued. It should be one tenth of the value of bitcoin.

[Wekkel]

Bitcoin, coming up next 🚀 SegWit effect 🚀 Lightning in action 🚀 Free S2X tokens 🚀 Schnorr 🚀 MAST 🚀 ETF approval🚀 More users 🚀 ...

And many more !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1869168.0

The linked thread is French. Therefore I post the direct link to the outside article here: http://bitcoinist.com/national-crypto-never-beat-bitcoin/

Core message:

National cryptocurrencies will never be able to compete with Bitcoin because no one will trust a system that requires advance permission from and which is controlled by a government to use it.

For governments that try otherwise, there is DeepOnion, Dash, Monero, etc. Letting go of all behaviourally learned stuff, this cryptocurrency thing is simply superior.

[d_eddie]

Your forked shitcoins will never go anywhere, they are not supported by merchants.
They are not supported by the economic majority of users.
You can't buy anything with that shit.
All you can do is trade it back and forth to yourself.

More and more so as bitcoin holders slowly sell BCH for BTC when price goes up or necessity arises. I managed to sell the latest small batch at 0.155 :-)

[d_eddie]

Bitcoin, coming up next 🚀 SegWit effect 🚀 Lightning in action 🚀 Free S2X tokens 🚀 Schnorr 🚀 MAST 🚀 ETF approval🚀 More users 🚀 ...

And many more !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1869168.0

I quickly googled signed blocks but didn't find anything interesting. Got a link explaining what they are?

[Gab0]

46 companies in the bitcoin ecosystem, including some of the most relevant, have indicated their support for segwit2x:

Which represents, according to other metrics, less than 5% of the userbase consensus.

Could you tell me the source of that information?

By 1 August there were 1300 nodes approximately pointing to UASF, which corresponds to 14% of the network. Which is not a large majority.

[podyx]

Any news came out? What's going on? -$100 in like 2 minutes