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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 2 (3.6%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.8%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (3.6%)
$85K to $90K - 7 (12.5%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (21.4%)
$95K to $100K - 9 (16.1%)
>$100K - 23 (41.1%)
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December 08, 2017, 05:36:43 AM

anybody else surfing Zillow.com tonight?

this here is daydream fuel

Daydream, nothing. Being shown a house tomorrow, and another on Saturday.

Cheers!



In this moment, my penis is turgid.

$13k.

Wow !

getting out my dictionary....

You named it dictionary?

zing!



But this is silly: CNN: Bitcoin boom may be a disaster for the environment. What will happen is more efficient miners will be built, or the halvening will slow down the mining rate. Difficulty will adjust down as needed and that will be that.

Nonsense. The expenditure upon electricity for Bitcoin mining will track the revenue from mining Bitcoin minus capex and a sliver of profit. Regardless of efficiency.

Of course, economic activity from that Bitcoin will displace legacy economic activity, with energy usage in that sector ramping down. Probably won't be a wash, but it will offset.



So these so called "uncorrelated assets" that are supposed to both move in the same direction

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It's almost as if Satoshi knew that specialized hardware and data centers would be created to mine bitcoin, told everyone about it, and it wasn't at all a surprise to anyone that this happened.

Bitcoin is decentralized, moreso than any other currency, and right now is best used as a digital store of value. That's a good start. Using it as currency is also possible, but clearly we're going through some growing pains, as the current explosive influx of users and interest was unforeseen.

^^fair and balanced



I've kinda had it with Coinbase, Kraken and Genesis

I feel your pain. As in, I am experiencing frustration with Coinbase as well. Last 36 hours or so has been an exercise in frustration for me. However, it is _usually_ flawless. At least the trading functionality is. Although anything requiring a human at any step of the process has always been a poor experience.

That said, all the others (yes, all) suck more.



I'm thinking we really need an "BCT oldfag fiat millionaires" meetup, somewhere in the USA, around March or so. Pick the state (I vote either Montana or Texas

I'd be game, should oldstraights be welcome as well. Wink

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- carry reciprocity, yo),

Did you miss it? The house passed nationwide carry reciprocity yesterday. Yes, the house. Of course, senate has not yet acted. But progress.



No one here is opposed automation I imagine.. Yes it is for sure needed to keep our standard of living.
I however do not believe that there will be enough jobs for everyone to work the long hours we do now. So things need to change if automation cause the major disruption it's predicted to do.

Either unemployment skyrockets, in the worst case causing extreme poverty and eventually riots/revolution. Or everyone agrees to lower weekly working hours and shares the income like that (which also means that wages for sure need to go up). Or some sort of UBI is implemented, so no one if forced into poverty.

This is of course some ways away, but I certainly cannot see many new jobs coming, like it's happened the past 200 years. There's quite a few good videos on youtube explaining exactly why that is

You sound unaware of the origin of the term 'luddite'.



imagine how many geniuses in the arts and such go utterly unknown simply because they are too busy trying to earn FOOD and shelter to actually DO anything with their talents and ideas.

That is society's way of trying to knock through the skull of these so-called 'geniuses' that their calling holds no value. What clearer signal could there be?

Hate to be debbie downer, but that's just the reality of the situation.



I saw $19697 on GDAX today and thought all the other exchanges must be close to $20k. Then GDAX went back down to $16k and I realized all the other exchanges hadn't gone significantly above $16k.

On the 15 minute chart, it was just a single candle. Probably a flier when liquidity dried up from someone trying to buy millions all at once.

FOMO. Its a scary drug.



I just can't frequent here on the regular in good conscience but I'll stick my head back in once in a while Smiley

Oh hell. I'm here. I take slings and arrows of grievous misunderstanding for my views, but my conscience is clear.
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December 08, 2017, 05:41:29 AM

Here's a wild firstworldproblem.  I'm torn.  On one hand, I have ALWAYS wanted a Ferrari.  Here I am able to buy one, something I never thought would happen.  I could sell now, get my ferrari and be happy.  On the other hand, I could hodl, it could either go up or down.  If it goes down, I feel satisfied with my choice.  If it goes up, I will feel some regret but fuck it, I have a god damn ferrari.  I have a house and no debt, perhaps I'm just being greedy at this point and should get the one thing I've wanted and be happy with it.  Fucking wild decision I never thought I'd even have to make.   
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December 08, 2017, 05:45:03 AM

U know what's cooler than 1 Ferrari? 100 Ferrari's...
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December 08, 2017, 05:47:41 AM

U know what's cooler than 1 Ferrari? 100 Ferrari's...

You know what's REALLY cooler than a Ferrari? A price normative car and all the money you would've wasted.
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December 08, 2017, 05:48:08 AM

U know what's cooler than 1 Ferrari? 100 Ferrari's...
Last top was goats lambo.  Feel free to get that Ferrari.  You’ll just trade it back for x times BTC in a year.  If not the rest of the stash will be even bigger still and you’re in a Ferrari.  Win win
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December 08, 2017, 05:53:16 AM
Last edit: December 08, 2017, 06:04:35 AM by Wekkel

Here's a wild firstworldproblem.  I'm torn.  On one hand, I have ALWAYS wanted a Ferrari.  Here I am able to buy one, something I never thought would happen.  I could sell now, get my ferrari and be happy.  On the other hand, I could hodl, it could either go up or down.  If it goes down, I feel satisfied with my choice.  If it goes up, I will feel some regret but fuck it, I have a god damn ferrari.  I have a house and no debt, perhaps I'm just being greedy at this point and should get the one thing I've wanted and be happy with it.  Fucking wild decision I never thought I'd even have to make.  

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WHERE THE HECK IS THIS GUY WHEN YOU NEED HIM?? ??




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December 08, 2017, 06:02:25 AM

Evening all. Cheesy

Good to see you here my discordian brother!


I am sure you'll be most welcome by more than a few here.  Big Blockers get a hard time, yep - it's pretty much heavily pro-Core of course, but it's still fun and all and sundry drop in and pretty much all points of view exist, as they probably should - although the ignore button is still an occasionally welcome option Wink

I have no problem with any of that. Small blocks, big blocks, it's a conversation to be had and I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone about my opinions. I just don't like what happened to that conversation and feel that visiting this site, unfortunately, supports the perpetrator(s).

I freely admit that I started out being more sympathetic to the big block cause. The heavy-handed censorship on r/bitcoin (and to some extent here) was off-putting. And freaking AXA & co. investing in blockstream made very suspicious for sure. Plus the 1MB block limit reeked of arbitrary central planning.

I did however keep an open mind in this debate. Found it quite difficult to do in such a toxic environment. Over time I drifted towards the core side of things. I still have my reservations but mostly I accept the fact that hundreds of people with a deeper understanding of Bitcoin than me favor it.

At this point I feel like it is the big blocker side who is the more toxic one. I still frequent r/btc but I am considering unsubscribing, because all the raging, whining and name calling is simply exhausting and adds nothing to the debate.

Anyway my point is this: please don't leave just because you feel like supporting "the wrong side" here. There are people and ideas worth supporting on all sides.
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December 08, 2017, 06:02:54 AM

hhhmmmmm?

Wall Street may be backpedaling on impending launch of bitcoin futures

https://newsline.com/wall-street-may-be-backpedaling-on-impending-launch-of-bitcoin-futures/
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December 08, 2017, 06:05:57 AM

pump and dump - our asian overlords are at it again...

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December 08, 2017, 06:14:09 AM

Perhaps this current dump could go a bit deeper and cool us off for a while longer so we don't go all parabolic? Pretty please?
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December 08, 2017, 06:16:38 AM

It is raging out there right now. Up and down and up and down. Could 16000$ be the balance point?
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December 08, 2017, 06:19:45 AM

Perhaps this current dump could go a bit deeper and cool us off for a while longer so we don't go all parabolic? Pretty please?

It has been Almost 2k dollar allready compared to ATH
No they should stop the pump/dump for shitcoin cash
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December 08, 2017, 06:21:35 AM

Beecoin Crash at 0.072.  Might be a good trade

My standing orders have been getting hit. Wink

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December 08, 2017, 06:31:16 AM

my conscience is clear.

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December 08, 2017, 06:32:06 AM

And now back to our regularly scheduled program... - the fucking MOON!
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December 08, 2017, 06:34:36 AM

I BTFD at 14420, but where do I sell? Thats always the hard part
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December 08, 2017, 06:42:13 AM

So these so called "uncorrelated assets" that are supposed to both move in the same direction
idonotthinkthatwordmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans.png

That was a dumb comment.  During brexit, lots of sheklers crawled out of their rat holes claiming bitcoin was now joining the ranks of "uncorrelated assets" with metals.  Meaning if things like stocks dump, you can use the other as a hedge.  There's mostly no such thing as uncorrelated assets because money is a zero sum game with money sloshing around from one asset to another, so the real term should probably be more like inverse assets when uncorrelated assets don't really exist .  Anyway, the point is that if people claim to recognize both as similar off-risk assets (bitcoin off-risk, yea right), then there is no reason the two should be moving in exact opposite directions without mass fraud at play.

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December 08, 2017, 06:44:43 AM

Anyway my point is this: please don't leave just because you feel like supporting "the wrong side" here. There are people and ideas worth supporting on all sides.

As I say, it was never about that. This place even hasn't been quite so bad as what has happened and continues to happen on Reddit but things have been done that have greatly damaged the community and more.

I would not put your opinion down either. You have been around long enough that you surely have a good feel for what works and what doesn't. Just because someone has a speciality in cryptography or coding doesn't mean they're right about everything (in fact, often the opposite). If that still puts you in the small block camp, fair enough but don't be afraid to think for yourself.
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December 08, 2017, 06:54:00 AM

There's mostly no such thing as uncorrelated assets because money is a zero sum game with money sloshing around from one asset to another,

I think it helps to think of things as simply a trade rather than putting money into something. If you buy $10k worth of gold, the money doesn't "go into" gold, it goes into the pocket of the guy who sold it to you (or more likely his bank increases some numbers in a database). Exactly what you'll get for it when you want to divest yourself of it is another question. So, as you imply, the problem is that there is simply too much money out there and it's just a question of which asset's (or assets') price will become a bubble and burst to destroy the excess.
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