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December 11, 2013, 10:49:51 PM
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Goodnight people; have a nice ride! Wink
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December 11, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
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Its not just Wall Street USA. Its going to be Wall Streets all over the world.

I had not thought of that!   It's pretty obvious now that you mention it though . . .

And people are squabbling over the price today, insanity!
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December 11, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
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Yep, to the moon and all that. News is everything! Wink
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December 11, 2013, 10:55:44 PM
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No no no, its all wrong, he spent coins when the price was rising and he mustn't do that because that's not how deflatory currencies work. He can only hoard his coins if its going up or droves of economic experts will gang up to lecture him on why he mustn't buy new toys when he finds he has money spare.

Nobody denies you can spend a deflationary currency. It's just a stupid thing to do. That's all.

 Wink Cheesy Wink
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December 11, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
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December 11, 2013, 11:01:51 PM
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lol!
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December 11, 2013, 11:05:47 PM
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Has this been mentioned yet?

Fidelity now allows clients to put bitcoins in IRAs

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/12/11/fidelity-now-allows-clients-to-put-bitcoins-in-iras/

I can't find this at Fidelity's website.   Where is it?Huh?   Someone page Barry now.
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December 11, 2013, 11:08:57 PM
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I would definitely buy a pair of new cell phones for me and wife if anyone in my country would accept btc. Custom and taxes would make it too expensive.
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December 11, 2013, 11:13:42 PM
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No no no, its all wrong, he spent coins when the price was rising and he mustn't do that because that's not how deflatory currencies work. He can only hoard his coins if its going up or droves of economic experts will gang up to lecture him on why he mustn't buy new toys when he finds he has money spare.

Nobody denies you can spend a deflationary currency. It's just a stupid thing to do. That's all.

 Wink Cheesy Wink

That's probably right, I buy new toys when it goes up too, a choice between a bigger number to look at or beer and horsepower is a no brainer in my twisted mind Wink

He should have got one of these to go with the name instead Smiley :

(its called a Gamma Goat btw).

EDIT: Hey, it went up! Maybe pictures of fugly military antiquities causes upswings.

Hm, let's test the theory some more...

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December 11, 2013, 11:14:06 PM
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News about fidelity is huge... Asking myself why the price is still so low  Smiley

Putting money into exchanges and even setting up an account at Coinbase is very time consuming unfortunately.  Maybe in a few days we will see the impact of this news.  We will see of course.
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December 11, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
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News about fidelity is huge... Asking myself why the price is still so low  Smiley

When Second Market opened we didnt see the effects of price for a few weeks. I expect it will be even longer given the holidays.

I think we will see the price effect of new IRA funds the week after Christmas and into the new year. I think this will be a gradual progression that gains momentum through out 2014.

I do not think we will see real rallys and dips - OH THEY WILL FEEL LIKE THEM - but nothing will be prolonged. An extension of what we are seeing now - a rally that hasnt and won't "crash". Or more specifically a rally with no real bear market afterwards. More of a market declining back to a higher floor and then eventually going up again.
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December 11, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
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whatsup with BTCChina?
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December 11, 2013, 11:18:33 PM
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Is btcchina offline? I guess so.  Undecided
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December 11, 2013, 11:19:07 PM
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whatsup with BTCChina?

stagnating for me too...   
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December 11, 2013, 11:19:15 PM
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whatsup with BTCChina?

Looks like an API problem. Site is up for me.
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December 11, 2013, 11:20:33 PM
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whatsup with BTCChina?

Looks like an API problem. Site is up for me.

https://vip.btcchina.com/

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December 11, 2013, 11:21:05 PM
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whatsup with BTCChina?

Looks like an API problem. Site is up for me.

Frozen on bitcoinwisdom at 911 and 5555.    911 for emergency and 555 for a fake phone number Smiley
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December 11, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
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Next difficulty prediction > 1B.
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December 11, 2013, 11:29:42 PM
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Hi all,

Big noob here...

I feel a bit of background might be necessary, but feel free to skip over this if you like...

How I came around to Bitcoin:
I regularly meet for morning coffees with my Dad (who is an ardent Bitcoin advocate and owns upwards of 3000 BTC which he purchased back when 1 BTC was less than $3 if I am not mistaken), and in the last year, I have not had a single conversation with him where he has not mentioned the word 'Bitcoin' at least once (he would find any way to slip it in). He is an electrical engineer and software developer and is prone to technical ramblings, most of which are over my head. This is the man who also predicted that the GFC would cripple the US (and Australia) in 2013. He said that we would be reduced to living in a land where guns and fuel were the most sought-after commodities, and people would be using fiat as toilet paper. Being currently in 2013 where I have yet to see a gun, and fuel is still bought at the local petrol station, I hope I am forgiven for not quite 'buying into' (no pun intended) his passionate promotions of Bitcoin.

Then, one day in October, he pulled out his phone and showed me the current value of 1 BTC - $150. I didn't take any notice.

We met a few days later, and again he pulled out his phone and showed me the current value of 1 BTC - $230.

From then on, his new way of greeting became him simply holding up his phone and flashing the now current value.

Still, I didn't take too much notice of it, but I think you guys can see what is coming....

I remember him showing me the price and it was at around $400 and I asked him if I should purchase some coins myself with some of my meager savings.
He said "I'll answer your question with another question - What is Bitcoin?".
The best I could do was "Ummmm, imaginary money" (please forgive me!).
His response was "Don't invest in something you don't know anything about!"
This was his way of urging me to learn about it... after all, researching is one thing I should technically be good at (I am a university lecturer). So I went away and did a bit of reading... and a bit more reading... and the rest is history, as they say. I was completely blown away by the entire concept, its mysterious origin, the transparent anonymity of transactions, the power of an omnipotent ledger... etc etc.

But, being aware of Bitcoin's volatility and having lived most of my adult life very frugally, $400 per BTC seemed so much to me (and I greedily wanted at least one whole coin, and not some mBTC fraction). Plus, at this point, 1 BTC had already risen in value to over $500! So I waited... and the phone flashing continued... $530.... $697... $800... At one point, I remember lamenting to Dad "$400 was a bloody bargain!". And it just kept going up! My father was now a millionaire!! And there seemed to be no end in sight. Bitcoin could do no wrong. Ahhhh... as they say "Hindsight is 20/20."

Not having a crystal ball, I asked myself "Do you truly believe in the fundamentals behind Bitcoin?" and I could honestly answer "yes".
So I went back and collected all my Bitcoin research and pitched it to my husband. I think it was my enthusiasm (which was probably bordering on reverence by this point) that did it - he agreed to redraw on our home loan. I told him that time was of the essence and if we didn't buy now, it would be too late. This was the night of Wednesday 4th December. The very next day I went and bought 7.7 BTC for $9000. The very NEXT day.... well you all know what happened. I won't deny, the next few days have definitely tested my belief in Bitcoin. But I stuck to my guns and held. I still maintain that one day in the near-ish future, I will tell my sister's grandkids that I once owned 7.7 BTC, and that they be all wide-eyed and gob-smacked "No freakin way!!!!".

Anyway, over the past few weeks, I have become a little obsessed with tracking Bitcoin (my husband yesterday made me delete all Bitcoin apps (bar the wallet) from my phone because he was so fed up with the constant updates and my constant chart-checking). These forums have been a godsend, and have basically fueled this little addiction. You are all certainly right - it is one hell of a ride.

Now, just yesterday one of my Dad's colleagues wanted to sell 1BTC (for $1000 cash) and asked if I was interested. I said "Hell yeah!"... As soon as I committed myself, a second later the price started plummeting. So FYI, if anyone is interested when the next mini 'crash' will be, just ask me to shout out when I'm next going to buy some BTC  Tongue.

My question:
Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I had a simple question for the experts here, and I apologise in advance if this is already covered in another thread... When you all mention 'whales dumping', is this essentially the scenario you are talking about?
-- Say a whale has 20,000 BTC and decides to sell at a high of $1000 (in a few smaller dumps, but still within a concentrated period of time)... Since that would account for approximately 0.2% of the total coins currently in circulation, I would imagine that his dump could make a big enough dent in the current price. This dent can then be misconstrued as a crash and a bunch of 'noobs' panic sell, causing the price to plummet further (to say $880 like last night). Then the big whale comes along and buys back his 20,000 BTC for a now discounted price, pocketing $2.4 mil in fiat in the process. --

Is this what is happening? How long can this cycle continue?

(Note: I know that this is essentially what many of you are doing with regards to day trading bitcoin (i.e. buy low, sell high, rinse, repeat), but the key difference here is that these whales seem to be able to manipulate the price to their will (i.e. essentially have a crystal ball), in comparison to the 'average' day-trader who has to make strategic guesses as to what are highs and lows.)
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