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Gtfo..... El Paso event is just the most of the most sick people

Shooting on innocent people, chileren of 2 and 9 years old (just read they are not dead, but 20 are dead Sad ).... wtf man....

Another racist who you believe are the good ones.... pffff pity another Black day in history

This are mornings when I have a real bad feeling!

What's better than one mass shooting? Two mass shootings! Good job, America.
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August 04, 2019, 11:10:56 AM

wow, this forum has gone downhill! no mods nowadays or what?

You are a fucking diptwat.

Last I heard from you was that you sold all your coins in the $600s in the 2014 time frame, and you were living happily ever after because bitcoin was going to go to zero (for sure).. and you knew it and you were smarter than the rest of us... blah blah blah.  You said a bunch of other dumbshit too, including that you weren't going to be coming back, except to tell us how dumb we were and to rub bitcoin in our face, yet for some strange reason bitocin is far exceeding 16x from the prices that you sold...

I can't imagine that you are actually smart about something, and I imagine you are coming back to tell us how wonderful your life is because you cashed out dollars

TLDR:  So what the fuck would you know about either bitcoin or this forum?

If thats so Then “insert Will ferrell gif.... what a loser”

He probably listen to r0ach same-ish price cash out Cheesy

I have not been active on Bitcointalk for a long time and in this part of the forum in ages, but I am surprised about the amount of bigotry that is going on (including r0ach posts, where are the mods?).

I have bought most of my Bitcoins in the single and double digits, I kept selling when the MA crossovers happened (bubbles popping) and buying back whenever everyone is calling dooms.

I also switched my focus from being all-in Bitcoin to investing in privacy-focused coins (Monero in 2015-2017 and Mimblewimble coins, mostly Beam now).


If you sold at the MA death cross off the 2017 peak you would have sold at sub $10k.  

Beam is a joke, although “centralized privacy coin” does make for a good punch line
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August 04, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
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1.  It has a massive target in the form of a centralized dev team - same as Ethereum.   This is a very easy target for governments to crack.  

2. Network effect is close to zero

3.  The dev penalty is widely known and contrary to cypherpunk principles. Hence no buyers of last resort.  It can easily run to zero and stay there. 

4. ASIC resilience is a scam.

It has one thing going for it, they capped supply unlike Grin. Grin team fucked up the economics, same mistake as Monero.
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August 04, 2019, 12:13:02 PM
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1.  Blockstream write access is tempered by the very high distribution of nodes. Including nodes which very deliberately run old versions.  Also Core is not the only client. Afaik Beam has only one client.

2.  People always underestimate first mover.  Bitcoin is aggressively evolving - just look at Lightning.

3.  Cypherpunk is not about corporatisation - c’mon man.  And foundations are BS.

4. The dev team is running ASICS.  I guarantee it.  

Look MW and cut through are interesting technologies.  But the market positioning and messaging is terrible.  It has CEO ffs.  This guy is going to go to jail to protect your darknet deals and tax evasion?  Not a chance. It’s a privacy coin not a utility coin.
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August 04, 2019, 12:16:12 PM

Slap yourself,

if you sold $BTC under $10,000.

https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1157075839495761920

Price of BTC to be 8K end of august.
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August 04, 2019, 12:17:19 PM

Find me a MW coin without dev penalty, that is decentralized and hasn’t fucked up the economics, and you will have my attention
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August 04, 2019, 12:19:53 PM

Find me a MW coin without dev penalty, that is decentralized and hasn’t fucked up the economics, and you will have my attention
Are people still fucking drooling over Mumble Wimble grin shit? I never understood why everyone had such a boner over it, no hardware wallet support, no gui wallet, pain to fucking actually use the damn thing.
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August 04, 2019, 12:22:24 PM

1.  It has a massive target in the form of a centralized dev team - same as Ethereum.   This is a very easy target for governments to crack.  

2. Network effect is close to zero

3.  The dev penalty is widely known and contrary to cypherpunk principles. Hence no buyers of last resort.  It can easily run to zero and stay there.  

4. ASIC resilience is a scam.

It has one thing going for it, they capped supply unlike Grin. Grin team fucked up the economics, same mistake as Monero.

1- I agree, development was designed to be centralized for the first year to allow for quicker progress (compare it to Grin or Monero for example), Ethereum and Zcash have the same model but Beam will change that by handing it to a foundation (same like the one Bitcoin had early days), but honestly if you think about it even the Bitcoin core write access is mostly held by Blockstream employees so...
2- Network effect works as long as the tech evolves, IBM had the network effect at some point as well, not denying Bitcoin's Network effect but I don't think this is a zero-sum game, don't forget that Beam was the first MW implementation, and it offers the best privacy/scaling right now.
3- Dev tax is priced in, I see the dev tax the same way I see the coinbase reward miners collect, we don't expect miners to throw free power thus we shouldn't expect devs to work for free, and you are so wrong about the cypherpunk principals, free means freedom and not slavery. also, what about the 1M BTC Satoshi owns? is it fair if he would be able to spend it one day?
4- Nothing is Asic resilient and the plan is not to be ASIC resistant, but switching PoW every 6 moths ruin any plans for any ASIC R&D thus making the distribution somewhat better the first year.

Nice discussion guys but I suggest you move over to Beam discussion thread. I bet 99.9% of members here are not interested in any Beams-shmeams.  Grin
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August 04, 2019, 12:23:25 PM

Find me a MW coin without dev penalty, that is decentralized and hasn’t fucked up the economics, and you will have my attention
Are people still fucking drooling over Mumble Wimble grin shit? I never understood why everyone had such a boner over it, no hardware wallet support, no gui wallet, pain to fucking actually use the damn thing.


"use" and "altcoin" do not go together.    Cheesy
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August 04, 2019, 12:31:04 PM

It’s an interesting idea.  But right now all of the implementations are fatally flawed.  Execution matters.

Long live the King
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August 04, 2019, 12:40:33 PM

wow, this forum has gone downhill! no mods nowadays or what?

You are a fucking diptwat.

Last I heard from you was that you sold all your coins in the $600s in the 2014 time frame, and you were living happily ever after because bitcoin was going to go to zero (for sure).. and you knew it and you were smarter than the rest of us... blah blah blah.  You said a bunch of other dumbshit too, including that you weren't going to be coming back, except to tell us how dumb we were and to rub bitcoin in our face, yet for some strange reason bitocin is far exceeding 16x from the prices that you sold...

I can't imagine that you are actually smart about something, and I imagine you are coming back to tell us how wonderful your life is because you cashed out dollars - even though you could have been at least 16x more prosperous if you had hung onto your bitcoins.  Anyhow, whatever supposed smartness that you have is merely in your imaginary fantasy thinking rather than based on reality.

TLDR:  So what the fuck would you know about either bitcoin or this forum?


Go ahead point me to where I said that? I have called every bottom and top since 2012, and I have been working full time on Crypto related projects as a developer since 2014.

while you are still wasting your life arguing your nonsense on this thread...some people never change.

Oh... so you come back to tell us how smart you were including that posting on this thread is "wasting life?", and how you made a lot of money, too?

Perhaps your braggadocios presentation is part of the issue?
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August 04, 2019, 12:44:04 PM

wow, this forum has gone downhill! no mods nowadays or what?

You are a fucking diptwat.

Last I heard from you was that you sold all your coins in the $600s in the 2014 time frame, and you were living happily ever after because bitcoin was going to go to zero (for sure).. and you knew it and you were smarter than the rest of us... blah blah blah.  You said a bunch of other dumbshit too, including that you weren't going to be coming back, except to tell us how dumb we were and to rub bitcoin in our face, yet for some strange reason bitocin is far exceeding 16x from the prices that you sold...

I can't imagine that you are actually smart about something, and I imagine you are coming back to tell us how wonderful your life is because you cashed out dollars - even though you could have been at least 16x more prosperous if you had hung onto your bitcoins.  Anyhow, whatever supposed smartness that you have is merely in your imaginary fantasy thinking rather than based on reality.

TLDR:  So what the fuck would you know about either bitcoin or this forum?


Go ahead point me to where I said that? I have called every bottom and top since 2012, and I have been working full time on Crypto related projects as a developer since 2014.

while you are still wasting your life arguing your nonsense on this thread...some people never change.

Oh... so you come back to tell us how smart you were including that posting on this thread is "wasting life?", and how you made a lot of money, too?

Perhaps your braggadocios presentation is part of the issue?

Exactly as I remember you, there has been no value from reading your posts and there is still no value... the dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

you are going into my ignore goodbye.
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August 04, 2019, 12:53:01 PM

wow, this forum has gone downhill! no mods nowadays or what?

You are a fucking diptwat.

Last I heard from you was that you sold all your coins in the $600s in the 2014 time frame, and you were living happily ever after because bitcoin was going to go to zero (for sure).. and you knew it and you were smarter than the rest of us... blah blah blah.  You said a bunch of other dumbshit too, including that you weren't going to be coming back, except to tell us how dumb we were and to rub bitcoin in our face, yet for some strange reason bitocin is far exceeding 16x from the prices that you sold...

I can't imagine that you are actually smart about something, and I imagine you are coming back to tell us how wonderful your life is because you cashed out dollars - even though you could have been at least 16x more prosperous if you had hung onto your bitcoins.  Anyhow, whatever supposed smartness that you have is merely in your imaginary fantasy thinking rather than based on reality.

TLDR:  So what the fuck would you know about either bitcoin or this forum?


Go ahead point me to where I said that? I have called every bottom and top since 2012, and I have been working full time on Crypto related projects as a developer since 2014.

while you are still wasting your life arguing your nonsense on this thread...some people never change.

Oh... so you come back to tell us how smart you were including that posting on this thread is "wasting life?", and how you made a lot of money, too?

Perhaps your braggadocios presentation is part of the issue?

Exactly as I remember you, there has been no value from reading your posts and there is still no value... the dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

you are going into my ignore goodbye.

For sure, putting me into "ignore" is going to solve all issues, and currently instead of being on bitcoin bashing, you have turned into altcoin pumpening.   

But of course, you have remained smarter than the rest of us, so I suppose that is something that you kind of have going for you.


Beam


Wat?

Everything you said and you'll ever say in the future has lost its credibility the moment you mentioned beam.

Beam the shitcoin, the taxcoin you pay its devs from your mining income.

So you (d)evolved into a shitcoiner in the end after all those years, sad.


go ahead define What makes a shitcoin a shitcoin?

The dev tax is necessary and priced in, not sure why do people expect devs to slave for free, not to mention that this way incentives are aligned, I don't want to see a scenario where devs have to beg for donations to be able to work full time on a project, and no in Bitcoin all high profile devs are paid for by companies like blockstream, and the whole satoshi stash (~ 1M BTC) is just a huge fucking dev fee with an unknown fate, In fact, I feel much safer with the dev tax model since I know a huge deal of it will be re-invested in R&D
 
People seem to misunderstand the whole open-source Free software motto, Free means freedom in this sense and not choosing beggar heaven where investors get rich while devs slaves for free.

But again, like anytime I said anything and got shit for it, let the days be our judge.

Yes, I am not a fucking maximalist, I am tech agnostic, I don't belong to a cult. I follow tech and when the tech stagnate I continue my journey looking for a better one

Bitcoin's tech is stagnating? Currently?  Or in 2014?
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August 04, 2019, 12:59:26 PM

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August 04, 2019, 01:10:54 PM

Beam has all of that...

Right, thanks for your audition. Don't call us, we'll call you.

FWIW I agree with you that the thread needs more moderation, but I have resigned to the flow of things rather than trying to fight it.
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August 04, 2019, 01:14:36 PM

Find me a MW coin without dev penalty, that is decentralized and hasn’t fucked up the economics, and you will have my attention
Are people still fucking drooling over Mumble Wimble grin shit? I never understood why everyone had such a boner over it, no hardware wallet support, no gui wallet, pain to fucking actually use the damn thing.


Beam has all of that... but if the dev tax really puts you off then IDK...you are probably just another choosing beggar.
You're talking to the wrong dude, I don't give a shit about Mumble wimble, i am just pointing out what grin was missing while everyone was drooling over it including gpu makers and asic makers.

The fuck does Mimble wimble really matter to me?
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wow, this forum has gone downhill! no mods nowadays or what?

You are a fucking diptwat.

Last I heard from you was that you sold all your coins in the $600s in the 2014 time frame, and you were living happily ever after because bitcoin was going to go to zero (for sure).. and you knew it and you were smarter than the rest of us... blah blah blah.  You said a bunch of other dumbshit too, including that you weren't going to be coming back, except to tell us how dumb we were and to rub bitcoin in our face, yet for some strange reason bitocin is far exceeding 16x from the prices that you sold...

I can't imagine that you are actually smart about something, and I imagine you are coming back to tell us how wonderful your life is because you cashed out dollars

TLDR:  So what the fuck would you know about either bitcoin or this forum?

If thats so Then “insert Will ferrell gif.... what a loser”

He probably listen to r0ach same-ish price cash out Cheesy


Probably most of the problem with mmitech has been that he has had a tendency (and it appears that he still does) to brag about how much smarter that he is as compared with others.  If he took the bragging part out, then maybe that would help.  It is true that selling at $600 in mid 2014 would surely have been profitable for a decent amount of time and even an ability to buy back lower at any time in 2015 or even into mid 2016 and still have been profitable.   

I am not completely sure if we could rely on mmitech's braggadocios representations about what he supposedly did after the fact, but it could have been possible that he could have profited from that $600 trade.  So, maybe that is consistent with his getting involved in other projects, but he did say that he was going on a 2 year vacation, so I guess his definition of "vacation" is getting involved in other crypto projects?  Some of these may or may not be important, just shows that he has been a bit of a bragger and bitcoin basher.
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3- Dev tax is priced in, I see the dev tax the same way I see the coinbase reward miners collect, we don't expect miners to throw free pow...

You say it is priced in. That's subjective. Even if it is, It doesn't change the fact that you still pay taxes to the devs. Being priced in or not doesn't change that. BEAM is flawed from its core. It is a taxcoin. No matter how many times you say it is already priced in, won't change this simple fact. TAXCOIN.

we shouldn't expect devs to work for free, and you are so wrong about the cypherpunk principals, free means freedom and not slavery. also, what about the 1M BTC Satoshi owns? is it fair if he would be able to spend it one day?

Satoshi's coins are different. He didn't even know if they were going to have any value. That's why Bitcoin is special and shitcoin are not. Shitcoins are always driven by greed that's why they always collapse sooner ot later.

See... Like I said, BEAM is just another shitcoin screaming, make us rich. Go away already.
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3- Dev tax is priced in, I see the dev tax the same way I see the coinbase reward miners collect, we don't expect miners to throw free pow...

You say it is priced in. That's subjective. Even if it is, It doesn't change the fact that you still pay taxes to the devs. Being priced in or not doesn't change that. BEAM is flawed from its core. It is a taxcoin. No matter how many times you say it is already priced in, won't change this simple fact. TAXCOIN.

we shouldn't expect devs to work for free, and you are so wrong about the cypherpunk principals, free means freedom and not slavery. also, what about the 1M BTC Satoshi owns? is it fair if he would be able to spend it one day?

Satoshi's coins are different. He didn't even know if they were going to have any value. That's why Bitcoin is special and shitcoin are not. Shitcoins are always driven by greed that's why they always collapse sooner ot later.

See... Like I said, BEAM is just another shitcoin screaming, make us rich. Go away already.

That's exactly why I laugh at this tulip trust nonsense, Satoshi never thought Bitcoin was going to become the super valuable beast, it was an experiment to him and that's all.
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August 04, 2019, 01:39:58 PM

Grin team fucked up the economics, same mistake as Monero.

Monero supply schedule is really good almost perfect. Somehow is misunderstood by some.  Right now Monero stock to flow is 26 while Bitcoins is 27.2, while Gold is around 60.  This looks quite similar to me. But in next 10 years Monero stock to flow ratio will increase faster then Bitcoins. And in a year it will be way higher then of the Gold one forever.  But it will never get to high to make us worry.
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