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[jbreher]

Having said that, I do value my anonymity, which is why I can't disclose who I write for or what else I do to make ends meet.

You write -- loud 'n' proud -- for sportsbet.io. It's right there in your sidesig, ... whore.

[bitserve]

Nice

For those monetary archaeologists trawling this forum in the year 2140, the price of BTC just went from below $11,000 USD (is the USD still a thing in 2140?) to over $11,600 USD in the course of less than three hours.

I'm assuming that is what prompted the comment of 'nice'.

Yup.

Plus the jump over the resistance happened right after the beautiful weekly candle closing as if everything aligned perfectly to consolidate the bounce from the higher low.

Nice.

[JayJuanGee]

Yeah, I much prefer incremental steps. I’m not in the mood for unsustainable pumps because we all know what happens after them.

I love unsustainable pumps. Make $ on the way up, corn on the way down. Yummy.

nobody can do it on sustainable basis as it does not tell you where it will go.
sooner or later, you would lose.

For some value of 'lose' that has nothing to do with my personal situation.

Can you elaborate, jbreher?  

Yeah. My elaboration is I don't believe that there is any way in which this strategy would cause me to "lose" - counter to biodom's claim.

Every up/down, I make a profit. I can choose whether to take that profit in USD or BTC. Sometimes I flip from one to the other, depending upon cash flow needs.

It is true that this causes me to sell at a price that I expect to be (wildly) exceeded in the future. Accordingly, if corn price goes up monotonically, I will eventually have no corn, and nothing but a gigantic pile o' stinky fiat. Is that 'losing'? Not exactly. Kinda.

However, that pile of stinky fiat is rather stratospheric, given the ratios of play_money:stake I am laddering.

And every up/down gives me a more corn (if I don't take the profit in USD). Accordingly, depending upon the amount of volatility in relation to upward trend, I may never run out on the high side. Losing? Hardly.

So in reality, I was merely trying to soften a retort of 'bullshit' to biodom's blanket 'lose' statement.

The only point i was making is that selling, then re-buying, then selling again and re-buying sequences would most likely (in my opinion) result in a lower number of bitcoins than you start with.

I have absolutely no problem with selling bitcoin (or $$ for btc) in bits and pieces on the way up (or down, depending on your strategy).
It' the trading back and forth that I posit to be an unrealistic tool (when taken alone) to increase the number of btc that someone have.

I realize that you might be playing with small %%, still, i do not wish other people trading away their future wealth by trying to gain a bit of a leverage, hence my post.

Even though you are correct, as the BTC price goes up, you are likely to have fewer bitcoins than what you had when BTC's price was lower, that is part of the process, and that is especially true if the BTC price were to go straight up, without coming down (which surely does not happen in bitcoin, even though sometimes it seems like it does).  

I approximately sell 1% of my stash for every 10% that BTC's price goes up, So for example if any person were to start out with 10BTC at $3k, which would have a value of $30k, and started selling 1% of that BTC stash every time the price went up 10%, then the first sales point would be at $3.3k and if the price went straight up to $20k and you were to continue to sell 1% for every 10% price rise all the way to $20k, then, when the BTC price reached $20k, you will have about 8.26 BTC (valued at $166,740) and $16,700.

If the BTC price does not go straight up, then you will be able to buy more BTC on dips, which seems the more likely scenario, and maybe you will be able to retain close to 10BTC or maybe 9BTC, depending on how your orders are set, but in any event, I don't even see any major problem with the "worse case scenario" of the BTC price going straight up.  Of course, you would have had the 10 BTC, but since you only have 8.26 BTC then those sold BTC would have been worth 1.74 x $20k =  $34,800 if sold at $20k, but you only have $16.7k in cash, but you also had insurance and you can set the amounts of insurance that you want to have to be more or to be less -

And you also might not know where the top is, so for example if the BTC price goes shooting all the way up to $100k without correcting (an unlikely happening) then you would only have 6.964BTC (worth $710k) and $83.2k in cash.  I don't see how  you would be suffering exactly by not having the same 10BTC that you started with.

If you happen to be worried that you might not have some kind of target goal of 10 BTC at $100k, then you would have to stack up more than 10BTC at $3k, and following that same system stacking up 15BTC at $3k would still leave you with more than 10BTC at $100k, assuming that the BTC price were to shoot straight up, and you would have $124k in cash too. hahahaha.,.

Certainly you can custom tailor the system to your liking, so I am having some difficulties understanding the problem with it, exactly, unless you are more inclined to gamble or you have some other system that you like, but a laddering system surely will be conservative while at the same time allow you to profit from volatility and to maintain downside insurance.

[JayJuanGee]

choo choo bitcoin  
time for some consolidation for a few days, please!

Don't tell me that we have another one chasing the train...

Common btcbeliever ... common.. run... run ... run.....


I will hold out my hand... hang onto your suitcase and run... you can do it... you can do it.....  


with a name like "btcbeliever," you should not be chasing the btc train, AmiNOTrite?

[VB1001]

1H


4H


3D




Graphics ichimoku 1H 4H 3 Days

We are riding a train with a large locomotive, the next destination will be $ 15,000?

Good morning BTC 11545 / WO,s

[JayJuanGee]

Overall in next 20 years Monero, Bitcoin and Gold mining emissions will be quite close together. No huge differences. All will be scarce and none will have problems with to low emission.

There's no such thing as a "scarce" craptocurrency.  Even JayJuanGee can play God and create them out of thin air and there's no Schelling point that forces anyone to use a particular one.  Then even if there was only one craptocurrency, it would fork into several craptocurrencies because their traits are entirely arbitrary and some people would want different attributes than others.  Unlike physical metals, nothing based on artificial scarcity you can endlessly conjure out of thin air has value.

I know that you are not as dumb as you are making yourself out to be with this repeated lack of scarcity argument.

You do seem to understand the concept of schelling point, but asserted that there is "no schelling point," which is exactly not true.

Bitcoin is the schelling point and remains the schelling point.  There are a lot of shitcoins trying to become the shelling point, and maybe even within bitcoin the schelling point will change, but that seems quite unlikely and seems to be quite clear that bitcoin is dominant within all of the network effects and various ways that those are measured.

Sure, at some point in the future there might be confusion about schelling point, but currently the only confusion seems to be of your own creation and also the creation of shitcoin pumpers, nocoiners, fence sitters and bitcoin naysayers.... several of you dumbasses will come onto bitcoin sooner or later, but some of you, like yourself roach, will continue to downplay actual facts and lose out on opportunities while continuing to pump a dying asset class, namely PMs such as gold and silver.

[ivomm]

Good morning WO gang! It is so refreshing to wake up with a 8%+ daily increase and 25%+ weekly increase. It is equally fun to see a 10x increase of ignored troll's posts here. The pain must be real. Shitcoins and shorts getting rekkt again like:

[jojo69]

did Toxic say when he'd be back?

[JayJuanGee]

Every up/down, I make a profit.

Wow, you're making a profit every second of every day?

There might be quite a few reasons to razz jbreher, but this is not one of them....

Meh, anybody can say anything. I really only give credit to people who have the foresight to say something that turns out to be verifiably correct later.

O.k.  I am not afraid to give jbreher shit about a variety of things, including his bitcoin bashing, big block pumping or bcash uptalk, but the laddering shit is real, whether he is actually doing it or not might be another story.

Of course, we have to take all of this shit on the interwebs with a BIG ass grain of salt, and ultimately, each of us has to come to our own conclusions.

I recall that I started posting about my laddering in late 2015 into 2016, and I was still trying to figure things out, and jbreher had bashed me several times on this and even saying that  there were reasons that he thought that it did not work including that he had done it before.. blah blah blah...

so yeah, I took his 2015/16 feedback with a decently sized grain of salt because I had already worked out a system, and in the next few years after I have been applying it for a long time, I know that it works really well.  Whether jbreher or anyone else is actually employing the system well or not does not matter, because the system itself works well.  So, if jbreher says that the system works well he is saying something accurate.  If he is saying that he is making a lot of money from such system, then of course, you can take that with some grain of salt regarding whether he is exactly making money and whether he is making money, but really, I think that you are taking it too far.  Of course, we should be skeptical of folks, but merely because they are not credible on some other things such as bcash pumping and bitcoin bashing does not make thing non credible on everything - but I can still kind of understand why you would have your doubts about jbreher because he really has been dragging his name through the mud for a long time with the bcash crap and his dumbass talk of BIG blocks goes back to at least late 2015, if not earlier.

Those posts indicate value in the poster. I also find breaking news items to be valuable, along with social banter, and pics of scantily clad women.

Well. Yeah, we have a variety here, so you won't necessarily appreciate everything.

Posts where people talk about how awesome they are for things they said they have done are of no value.

Maybe it depends on context - because biodom or someone else started talking about how they hate volatility, and there are a lot of folks whining about volatility... .but I say "what the fuck" to that and so does jbreher...   So, I guess I share that in common with jbreher in terms of attempting to profit from the volatility... it's fucking almost inevitable, so why the fuck are people complaining about it so much?  You gotta either learn to live with it and accept it, or better yet to be able to profit from it, to the extent that you are able to profit from the near inevitable.

Having said that, I do value my anonymity, which is why I can't disclose who I write for or what else I do to make ends meet.

Yeah but who cares?  I don't really find it valuable to find out what someone real life status might be.  That does not and should not give them any more credibility in these interwebs.  In these interwebs (including this forum) there are other ways to measure credibility, to the extent that it is needed. 

[JayJuanGee]

Nice

For those monetary archaeologists trawling this forum in the year 2140, the price of BTC just went from below $11,000 USD (is the USD still a thing in 2140?) to over $11,600 USD in the course of less than three hours.

I'm assuming that is what prompted the comment of 'nice'.

Yeah, but bitserve just seems to be attempting to employ some kind of word variation creativity, by moving from "fine" to "nice"

Longer quotes:

"This is fine"

"This is nice"

In other words bitserve is getting excited.

Might need to repeat the below LFC post, to more accurately depict what is really going on in the life of bitserve, currently, but his attempt to retain his composure while not wanting to admit it:

Just gonna leave this here

[El duderino_]

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[Paashaas]

I believe Bitcoin will make a new ATH this year.

[becoin]

I believe Bitcoin will make a new ATH this year.

There is no doubt about that!

[bakasabo]

Bitcoin - best sponsor for poster artists  

[El duderino_]

I believe Bitcoin will make a new ATH this year.

There is no doubt about that!

I'm one of the guys that share the same believe, as I also believe that there is much volatility and we can go down as well....

But put everything together and just see all the positive momentum, good news etc that would make me believe UP instead of DOWN, though i'm good for both ways short  term, as I just strongly believe that the long term UP is imminent ....

[vroom]

bitcoin dominance reached 100% https://coinmarketcrap.co/  

[El duderino_]

It's against the rules for merit sources to trade their smerits for anything of value

So this means we can still trade merits for BSV or Beam?



I do hate being out of merits, but it does encourage me to think up ways to farm up more merits. My sMerit supply is so piddly that when they trickle to me its like a weak stream of urine on my head.

I understand the pun about that shit hardly being worth anything - but surely it has not gone to zero yet, so "technically" there is arguable value there, so I wouldn't take any of those kinds of chances, unless you want to be removed as a merit source... which I believe would be the most likely remedy..........

Don't take a joke as an actual fact

[fillippone]

Bitcoin - best sponsor for poster artists 

This is so oald.

Full size Bitcoin  Website:
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[btcbeliever]

choo choo bitcoin  
time for some consolidation for a few days, please!

Don't tell me that we have another one chasing the train...

Common btcbeliever ... common.. run... run ... run.....


I will hold out my hand... hang onto your suitcase and run... you can do it... you can do it.....  


with a name like "btcbeliever," you should not be chasing the btc train, AmiNOTrite?

85% of my networth is already in Bitcoin. 
I am  NOT going to buy any more, no matter where the price goes,
Untill I sell 80% of it
And it next drops by at least 75%.

I just hate the pure excited joy followed by gutwrenching dumps
Before I unload.

My cost basis is about $12-$40 per btc.

[El duderino_]

It's time (again) for a Wall Observer Meta Post!
Last Week LoyceV updated merit file late, that's why we are having two updates in a short amount of time.
This is the last weekly update, from now on I will update only on the first release of every new month, typically on the first Friday of the month!

Merit analysis based on LoyceV merit file: http://loyce.club/Merit/merit.all.txt

Merit updated to Friday, 2, Aug, 2019 02:48:42 UTC

                  
Merit circulation decreased again this week. Crickets and tumbleweeds everywhere and holiday didn't help merit circulation.

Still fixing glitches here and there, I am using this to getting better at data management. JayJuanGee is back with a great sending spree!
I will make this post monthly, updated after the first merit release of the month.

Currently out srry

Probably 14 days till replenish