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June 07, 2021, 08:53:27 PM

I do hate in bitcoin, the sudden drops while news is SUPER bullish... though it is what it is... we need to deal with it.
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June 07, 2021, 08:55:15 PM

the next Pump is imminent  Grin

https://twitter.com/PeterSchiff/status/1401998145433841669
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June 07, 2021, 08:58:19 PM
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https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1402006002661216262?s=20

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Pump is inevitable imho, dump is weird atm...

Will turn around soon-ish I guess
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Explanation
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June 07, 2021, 09:01:50 PM

...Will turn around soon-ish I guess

Will not turn around ever I know.
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June 07, 2021, 09:22:21 PM

...Will turn around soon-ish I guess

Will not turn around ever I know.

Because it never did, right?  Wink

What if the bears prematurely shot their powder before the cycle top and there is only to go up, weeks, maybe months ahead from now because of global adoption (simply spoken, for lack of time)? At least not as strong and long lasting bear cycles.
Nobody was rewarded with huge gains by being impatient with Bitcoin, afaik.
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June 07, 2021, 09:34:42 PM

...Will turn around soon-ish I guess

Will not turn around ever I know.

Dump-ing now  …  Undecided
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...Will turn around soon-ish I guess

Will not turn around ever I know.


I hope it does turn around, but in my case it really doesn't matter.  Been selling small piece by small piece since I got into Gemini in January, and hence could cash in better all of my old low-cost BTC.

At this point it matters little to me, as I already have made much more than "any right I had" to make.  BTC has helped me to start a fund for each of our two grandchildren.  And allowed us to fly Business Class, even after paying the loathsome Capital Gains Taxes and all.

Still have a stake.  Still will sell, poco-a-poco.  But I will keep my "Legacy Stash" just in case we see $100k.  Or $250k.  Or $0.1k

Go Bitcoin, go!  We need financial options.  But, unless you're young or rich, don't get too greedy....
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June 07, 2021, 09:39:10 PM

I invest in bitcoin mostly for ideological reasons, but have to say that since Dec 2017 (last ATH), bitcoin underperformed FAANG and almost all of those stocks with the exception of FB outperformed btc by a factor of about 2X. MSFT also outperformed during this time period.
It has NOT been 2X a year since Dec 2017, no sireee.

This might hurt our/your feelings, but it is what it is..and some people in bitcoin are starting to get on my nerves, especially Max Keiser...what a douche.

You seem to be a douche too, Biodom.

You select the top of the BTC price in December 2017 and then you pick the low of this dip, and then you make your analysis about how BTC is supposedly doing in "it is what it is" terms.. You fucking disingenuine dweeb.

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Once again I will use JJG's favorite word cryptocurrency.  

.......MUSK ,ZUCKERBERG ,BEZOS TALKING  about Facebook stock Amazon stock and of  course Tesla stock like they have with crypto coins  (sorry JJG)  they want BTC to be a push over along with the other coins.

Don't get me wrong.  I am mostly annoyed by the word "crypto" or it's various derivatives when it is used in a vague way, and we hardly even know what is being referenced, so sometimes it comes up in the context of bitcoin so you cannot determine if the writer (or speaker) is talking about bitcoin or something else or maybe they are afraid to use the word bitcoin.

Another problematic angle is if the word is used because someone wants to talk about some shitcoin, so there are a lot of threads, including this one, that such discussion would be off topic, unless there were some connection made to how it might be relevant to bitcoin. 

 
They want to move and shift the coin market at will.

This is bad and good news.

Bad news they could win and fuck this up bigly

Bitcoin has quite a few design features that prepares it for a large variety of attacks whether we are referring to external attacks or internal attacks, and sure there might be some benefits in realizing if you are being attacked or not.. and sure at the same time, sometimes it could take a wee bit of time to figure out if you are being attacked or not.

Good news they feel the need to do it which means :

wait for it:

They are afraid.

Of course... Cannot argue with you about that.  Some of the hard attempts to lower enthusiasm for bitcoin by dumping the price cannot work very well unless coupled by informational campaigns - and perhaps even making attempts to gamify the attacks so that normies will have more funzies while they are being distracted into nonsense frameworks..., ...Gresham's law gives no shits about whether normies (hopefully none of us enlightened folks) were deceived into holding onto the wrong coin or project and believing that it was going to hold value.... So in some sense, each of us remain responsible for ourselves into NOT getting tricked out of our coins.

buy dip and hodl
repeat buy dip and hodl
do not use an exchange with 100x or 50x leverage.


Hahaha.. one way to get tricked out of coins more quickly.. or maybe even to get tricked out of them when you otherwise would have been able to HODL them.. but instead so many of us are sucked into temptations of gambling.


I cash every coin I mine now to fiat and BTC
The only exception to that is BTC
Still stacking BTC.

To JJG I apologize for using that term multiple times but they are trying to use it to hurt the industry and to help themselves.

Of course, many of us should already know that vague references such as crypto is an attack vector, and a similar thing was true in recent times when there was so much emphasis on blockchain and not bitcoin.. but in the end, that baloney was ONLY able to be framed in that way for so long and more and more peeps began to see through the ongoing nonsense and the meaningless babble - including a lot of smart people get tricked into the wrong kinds of ideas, but when they finally start to figure out what differentiates bitcoin from various nonsense talking points, they will sometimes be able to better know NOT to get tricked again.. or at least be cautious towards getting tricked again.
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I am not exactly sure about their average costs per BTC in connection with MSTR's purchases in connection with each of the times that they issued the debt, but it seems that one was around $10k and the other was around $20k, but around a month ago, Saylor had announced that MSTR had an average BTC purchase price of around $24k per BTC for all of their BTC holdings.

So your scenario of BTC lingering at $30k for 5 years (or let's say another 4.5 years when those notes would come due) does not even put MSTR in the negative regarding their use of debt for those purchases. 

I meant that they would be under water with this latest debt-financed purchase (e.g at ~$34k) if BTC gets stuck in a prolonged bear season... but if you're saying they don't have to repay it - weird, but what do I know LOL - then I guess they have some breathing room. Still, being a public company I think there is a risk of a minority shareholder lawsuit or some shit like that, which could unravel the whole scheme. Not being a hedge fund or some other investment vehicle and trying to gamble on a very volatile asset seems like asking for trouble.

MSTR (and Saylor et al) are making a speculative bet that the value of the bitcoin that they purchased with that debt is going to be higher than the price that they paid for the bitcoin with that debt (plus the 0.75% interest on the first one, and the second one was issued without interest, as I already mentioned).

Well, that's just that - if Bitcoin does well then surely they'll be able to refinance the debt and keep going possibly without ever selling any coins. But if it doesn't do well enough at the right time for MSTR and they have to dump a large chunk... that'll hurt quite a bit more than Musk's trolling.

I'm still puzzled how we despise debt here - we do, right? - but still cheer debt-fueled speculation.
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June 07, 2021, 09:46:28 PM

That dump was quick.
Surprise, surprise...
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June 07, 2021, 09:48:03 PM

That dump was quick.
Surprise, surprise...

It kinda just started.
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I am not exactly sure about their average costs per BTC in connection with MSTR's purchases in connection with each of the times that they issued the debt, but it seems that one was around $10k and the other was around $20k, but around a month ago, Saylor had announced that MSTR had an average BTC purchase price of around $24k per BTC for all of their BTC holdings.

So your scenario of BTC lingering at $30k for 5 years (or let's say another 4.5 years when those notes would come due) does not even put MSTR in the negative regarding their use of debt for those purchases. 

I meant that they would be under water with this latest debt-financed purchase (e.g at ~$34k) if BTC gets stuck in a prolonged bear season... but if you're saying they don't have to repay it - weird, but what do I know LOL - then I guess they have some breathing room. Still, being a public company I think there is a risk of a minority shareholder lawsuit or some shit like that, which could unravel the whole scheme. Not being a hedge fund or some other investment vehicle and trying to gamble on a very volatile asset seems like asking for trouble.

MSTR (and Saylor et al) are making a speculative bet that the value of the bitcoin that they purchased with that debt is going to be higher than the price that they paid for the bitcoin with that debt (plus the 0.75% interest on the first one, and the second one was issued without interest, as I already mentioned).

Well, that's just that - if Bitcoin does well then surely they'll be able to refinance the debt and keep going possibly without ever selling any coins. But if it doesn't do well enough at the right time for MSTR and they have to dump a large chunk... that'll hurt quite a bit more than Musk's trolling.

I'm still puzzled how we despise debt here - we do, right? - but still cheer debt-fueled speculation.


As much as anyone here, I love it when BTC goes up.  BTC (and you guys here at the forum) has been very good to me, and to my grandchildren.

But, suchmoon raises such a great point.  I loathe debt personally, but am perfectly happy with how (any?) debt could have fueled BTC's amazing run.  It is puzzling to me as well.

We'll see how it all turns out.  As someone wrote: "The next 48 hours are critical."  Or was that the next 72 hours?  The next two weeks?
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June 07, 2021, 09:50:39 PM

That dump was quick.
Surprise, surprise...

It kinda just started.

Got stuck a little...
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June 07, 2021, 09:51:59 PM

a sack of rice fell over in china.  Roll Eyes




EDIT: damn, OutOfMemory, you were quick to copy it. there is a price alert in the first pic which you quoted but it was an accident.  Grin
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June 07, 2021, 09:53:26 PM

a sack of rice fell over in china.  Roll Eyes



conclusion: stack sats, not sacks  Cheesy
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June 07, 2021, 09:59:14 PM

...Will turn around soon-ish I guess

Will not turn around ever I know.

Thank bro just purchased a bit of dip. I will hodl

at proudhon if indeed we drop under 30k I will be able to load more cheap coin on the stack.

I am set for

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June 07, 2021, 10:03:06 PM

this mofo chart buddy.

was looking to post about upcoming diff

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https://diff.cryptothis.com/

Latest Block:   686708  (6 minutes ago)

Current Pace:   99.1743%  (1269 / 1279.57 expected, 10.57 behind)


Previous Difficulty:   25046487590083.27                           
Current Difficulty:   21047730572451.55                           
Next Difficulty:   between 20922328554136 and 20939457270572
Next Difficulty Change:   between -0.5958% and -0.5144%
Previous Retarget:   May 29, 2021 at 8:49 PM  (-15.9653%)
Next Retarget (earliest):   Saturday at 11:13 PM  (in 5d 5h 9m 9s)
Next Retarget (latest):   Saturday at 11:36 PM  (in 5d 5h 32m 11s)
Projected Epoch Length:   between 14d 2h 24m 48s and 14d 2h 47m 51s

...

many say the diff chases the price.

I have found upward price tends to create upward diff.   with the diff lagging and chases to be kind of true.


But I have seen lower diff push price down

which kind of happened here in 2021 we were above 60k price a ways back and had an unexpected dip in the diff.

It kind of leads us downward since that drop happened six weeks back.
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