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Why is it every time I fill an order we immediately get an additional 10% drop? I'm beginning to think I'm a negative influence on the market. 🤔

Possibly your orders are too narrowly spread apart if you are trying to buy on dip..

And, sure if your are in a BTC accumulating stage then there is another DCA portion of any reasonable and prudent strategy that should just buy BTC whenever .. and not get too preoccupied if you had happened to buy $200 at $45,500 or buy $200 at $44,800.. ..

In the whole scheme of things the exact place where you bought should not make much if any difference if you have another $200 coming into your discretionary (to be used for BTC) cashflow in the coming week or so.

By the way, I am not sure about from where you are calculating any kind of 10% dippening in our current actual BTC price dynamics.  Even if you had bought BTC near our local top of $48,190 from about 3 days ago, our so far max dippening from today has only gotten down to $44,521 which is around a 7.5% dip from the toppening to the bottomening..  

The so far BTC price dynamics (including our current dip status) is NOT even really much of any kind of down volatility to write home to mom about, yet.  right?  

Now if you are talking about the future and wanting to predict that we might get down to a 10% or greater BTC price dippening, then that could well be another story.. but that is not how I read your proclamation of having already had a 10% BTC price dip  (which 10% dips may well have not even happened yet since we started going up from $29k-ish in the past nearly a month since starting this particular UPpity run, no?.. edit: Whoops, I correct myself.. we had about a 12% dip from $42,500 to $37,200 between 7/31 and 8/4.. but that is our only decently-sized dip, so far in our current price run up)

Contemplated throwing in an edit right after posting.

May have been a good idea.

Generally it is not good to post with too much emotions especially when some of us are attempting to post about substantive issues.

I was posting based on Feelings with no fucks given about the actual Maths of the situation. wxa7115 actually called it very close to reality. I had come across some unexpected funds and set it into my dippening orders. Figured $45.5k was likely as low as I could reliably expect to fill, and when posting that exaggerated expression of my girlie emotional moment we were wicking down to $44.5k (Obviously not 10%, but damnit! I could had bigger crumbs!)

That is ONLY like 2-3% difference between $44,500 and $45,500, so it seems fairly petty to get worked up about such a thing.  Of course, you could end up setting smaller amounts at varying increments too... there are a lot of ways to do it, but when you practice, you should become more and more comfortable with your own tolerances.. and sure, it may well make a bigger difference if you are stacking between 0.21 BTC and getting up to 2.1BTC as compared to if your stack reaches more than 10BTC, then you might not be as concerned.. so of course, the values are going to change over time, so if you are stacking at $45,500 you may be able to stack 0.02197802 BTC with $1,000, and sure you could have stacked 0.02247191 with prices at $44,500, but then down the road when BTC prices are supra $100k, you might have $2k that you can use for stacking, but you end up getting only 0.02BTC with the double the fiat amount in your pocket.   

It still seems to me that you just do what you can, and don't get too worked up about price differences because over time the amount stacked will add up and you are sill likely going to be ahead of so many normies who both fail/refuse to even get started in Bitcoin.. and by the time they get started, you will already have stacked up a decent quantity.. (not that you should be competing against anyone but yourself, and maybe not even healthy to compete against yourself or to kick yourself for attempting to be practical along the way in terms of ongoing stacking.

I know the feelings about being a wee bit more desperate in my own feelings while I was in my earliest few years of stacking sats, but I kind of mellowed out with the passage of time and realizing that I had stacked a reasonable and meaningful amount in terms of my own situation, but it surely did take me 2-3 years to get there and I was more nervous earlier in the stacking career.. and there are going to be guys/gals/institutions/states coming into this matter 4-10 years down the road, and you will have already gotten to a decent level of comfort, and the difference between buying at $44,500 and $45,500 is not going to matter so much in the whole scheme of things when those peeps/institutions are going to be stacking and the price might be over a $million or even well over $10million further down the road... in other words do what you can.. do what you can..

Oh and I have already told this story before, and I kind of hate to brag, but in 2015 I had some kind of screwed up and tightened cashflow where I could not buy shit for bitcoin between about mid-January and about April or so.. and the BTC price was in the mid to lower $200s for much of that time.  So sometimes I would have something like $20 extra come to me, and I would put half in my cash reserves and the other half into bitcoin So, $10 would still be 0.05 BTC, and so maybe I did that several weeks and then sometimes I would have a few hundred come in, so I would get $150 or so worth of bitcoin, so it might be 0.75BTC or something like that, so it would add up and even had some periods, where I could not really spare anything extra, but then suddenly some cashflow matter would resolve, and then i would have cash for a few weeks from clearing up the matter.. so by July or August 2015, my cash was clearing up a bit more, and even over that whole year, I had seen that my cashflow had really sucked the whole time, but I still ended up having something like 12% more bitcoin at the end of 2015 as compared to what I had at the beginning of 2015.. so overall it was a good year even though my cashflow sucked through such a large portion of 2015.

No, in reality I am much further ahead right now of anything I had anticipated 2 months ago.

I think that is how my earliest days in bitcoin went too.. Several times, I set BTC accumulation targets, and matters worked themselves out in such a way that the ongoing and regular seriousness and focus of BTC accumulating payed off.

But on a rainy day filled with red candles, negativity bias can amplify into exaggerated downity.

Perhaps.  I would not call a 8% drop to be that BIG of a deal unless we had already dropped 25% and then get another 8% drop to 33%.. or even when we dropped 48% and then another 8% drop down to 56%, then those kinds of numbers can be a wee bit depressing.

But hey, everyone has their depression points, even if it may seem to me that some thicker skin and fewer emotions would be preferred, especially since there will sometimes be quite considerable periods in which the BTC price does not move in the direction that you would rather have it move, and the longer that you are in, likely the more BTC you have stashed in order to create a kind of natural preference for UPpity.. but still might not complain if you have 10BTC, and you are able to pick up another .5BTC because the price dropped 50%.. but sure, you would have rather NOT have the BTC price drop.

Thanks for reminding me of my Maths & Sciences J1G, but I only had one merit to give and I thought wxa7115 made the more meritable observation. Maybe I'll remember to get you an extra one later...

Of course, it is not any kind of BIG deal to me, and just having some back and forth interaction can be helpful to both of us and perhaps some other members too..

Tired of Red, now where did I put that Green?

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flip a coin... that might equally be as effective in figuring it out....  Wink
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I enjoyed listening to the latest episode of "What Bitcoin Did" - Peter McCormack talks with PlanB about his S2F model, it's the first time I've listened to him talk about it in person (and not just via tweets).

I listened to the podcast but it can be found here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFwkxoss6Y

It's worth a watch/listen, not just for the S2F stuff, but also their thoughts on the impending global financial crisis #2 and how a financial crash is unlikely, with it being more likely to be a financial reset. There's little to be gained by me paraphrasing their discussion, so I'd recommend listening to it directly. Lots of food for thought.

Yes... Thanks. I subscribe to What Bitcoin Did, so I had already listened to that a few days ago when it went into that feed.. I have heard several interviews with PlanB over the years, and even if it sounds that I am dissing him, I appreciate a lot of his ideas and his work.. and otherwise stand by my earlier reaction/comments... not even trying to say that I am smarter than him in order to still suggest that his tweet was retarded for the reasons already stated... maybe smart guys need to be held to a higher standards in terms of not sending out retarded tweets.. hahahahaha

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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.

If I am getting you correctly LFC, Q3-4 2017 could have been measured at something around 8x of BTC price appreciation .. there were some ups and downs in there.. but even a quick bottom to top might have been measured in less than a quarter between about mid-September to mid-December of maybe 6.5x (from $3k to $19,666).. .. not exactly both quarters.. but in the time span of both quarters the 8x would have been from late July of around sub-$2,500 to $19,666.. so yeah.. 8x in that time frame.. so even better than 2x.. .. hahahaha

Remember we also got more than 3.3 x between April 2019 to June 2019.. there are other examples of course for our lillie fiend to show a certain kind of ongoing prowess potential.
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Excellent lightning explanation.

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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
I have predicted a couple of posts up that we will reach $250k in 10 years not out of anything that I can back it up with but because of my personal optimism which was based on the years before that we had big unexpected bull runs. My opinion differs from you after listening to what JJG said but I did predict 100k in 5 years which I will keep that prediction. I think 100k and then 288k in the same cycle is bullshit not that he has predicted that Bitcoin will get to 100k or 288k I doubt that it would get between them numbers in 2 cycles. If I am proven wrong I will be happy about it as we will all make a lot of money but has JJG says this is not likely to happen.

I have not followed this PlanB guy before? Is he good at predictions? Maybe I am the idiot for doubting him.

You might be misreading me.. not that I am important in any of this.. but it seems that I am placing pretty decent odds on a variety of upwards scenarios, even if you might consider my numbers as small on my chart.. but you still could add my numbers together to see that they are still seeming to be pretty bullish numbers.... or at least that is how I would characterize my own numbers with a seeming 15% chance of getting above $300k for this cycle which could last for up to a year from now..... and golly gee whiz, you can see that my odds for $150k or higher adds up to 30.5%.. holy shit that seems pretty damned high odds to me that we have nearly a 1/3 chance to go more than 3.3x from here?  but sure, you can frame my numbers however you would like to frame your placing of odds on the matter, too.

Maybe I should give up?  and stop trying to 'splain my lil selfie and just causing confusion amongst the peeps?  Maybe that is one of PlanB's problems, too?  Me and PlanB share something in common.  too wordy.. PlanB the wordyman.

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IMO we are going up, first to 100k, then 288k
https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1427707790810914827?s=21
Let me understand is he predicting that we will go to 100k then 288k in 1 cycle or 2? Both sound like bullshit I am not sure how he came to those numbers so soon but I guess it is trying to gain fame and more followers instead of delivering accurate or reasonable predictions.

Your account is a 2016 registration. You should know that honeybadger is more than capable of minimum x 2 in price on a very short timescale.

Do you not remember Q3 & Q4 of 2017?

$100,000 is quite likely this year imo.
I have predicted a couple of posts up that we will reach $250k in 10 years not out of anything that I can back it up with but because of my personal optimism which was based on the years before that we had big unexpected bull runs. My opinion differs from you after listening to what JJG said but I did predict 100k in 5 years which I will keep that prediction. I think 100k and then 288k in the same cycle is bullshit not that he has predicted that Bitcoin will get to 100k or 288k I doubt that it would get between them numbers in 2 cycles. If I am proven wrong I will be happy about it as we will all make a lot of money but has JJG says this is not likely to happen.

I have not followed this PlanB guy before? Is he good at predictions? Maybe I am the idiot for doubting him.

Don't listen to JJG too much right now, he's basically mid term bearish but long term bull  Tongue

See what I am saying... totally misunderstood...

Sucks to be me..

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Once new ATH comes he'll change his tune, I'm sure of it  Cool

We're going UP. I'm 90% sure now. JJG knocked 5% off me.

When you say that we are going up, you have to give a time frame and an amount..

So for example, if you were to say that largely $43,700k is the bottom (give or take $500) for this short term correction, and 90% odds that we will be on the way to $53k by no later than 1 week from the time of this post.. for sure I am going to have my doubts, and I don't really try to predict much beyond 50/50 for short term price moves... I do not roll like that... so we are talking about different topics.

You did see me proclaim something like once we pass $46k, the odds are at least 63% that the $28,600 bottom is in, so we still have up to 37% odds of revisiting sub $28,600.

Don't try to trap me into making arguments that I am not making.. especially regarding the short term, because I hardly claim to know shit about the short term, beyond 50/50-ish and since we are in a bull market, it would probably be more accurate for me to generally conclude with 51/49 in favor of UPpity.. something like that.

My other numbers were within this particular cycle which could end anytime between it already ended and 12 months from now, and perhaps even take longer.. what the fuck do I know until it happens even though I had already given numbers to all these scenarios which I consider to be bullish as fuck, and you are wanting me to come out with even BIGGER numbers - and I have never done that even while I was citttttttteeeee as fuck all the way up to $19,666 in late 2017, and did not even sell too much BTC.. maybe I had sold 12% of my total stash by the time we reached the late 2017 top.. which was way less than my earlier projections of selling 20% or some other nonsense like that (that I revised downwardly.. which is also more bullish, if you ask me, but who's asking me.. seemingly no one.. everyone just wants to assume for me..even after I plotted out a pretty detailed skeemening.. 'splaining all things material and relevant to the way that this bot woops..guy... thinks.

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JJG has got a lot more experience than me and has good reasoning to his predictions. I hope that he is wrong but I can see that it probably is more realism than my predictions.

How could I be wrong?  I just place odds on a variety of scenarios.

Of course, once the outcome plays out, then the outcome becomes 100%, so if I proclaim that:

 outcome 1) has 15% odds,
outcome 2) has a 21% odds
 outcome 3) has 10% odds,
outcome 4) has 6% odds,
outcome 5) has a 3% odds
outcome 6) has 9% odds,
outcome 7) has 12% odds,
outcome Cool has a 25% odds ..

Merely because outcome 5 ends up playing out does not mean that I was wrong merely because it becomes 100% and I placed the lowest odds on that scenario at time 1 when I made the prediction and the scenario of outcome 5 ends up playing out at time 6.   Once outcome 5 plays out, all of the other scenarios go to zero, but any of the outcomes could have ended up playing out, no matter what odds I had personally assigned to the various outcomes. 

Also, it does not mean that I am either pulling numbers out of my ass (even though I am), it is just that  if the future is unknown, there are a variety of scenarios that could play out, and sure maybe many times one of the higher likely scenarios will play out, such as scenario 1, 2, or 8, but sometimes the lesser likely scenario will end up playing out, such as scenario 4 or 5.

Sometimes also with the passage of time, some of the odds for the scenarios will change and some scenarios will have to be completely removed from the list because they become totally impossible to carry out or they become completely negated... so later down the road, there might be fewer scenarios from the original list, but there might be some additional scenarios that need to get added to the list because they become relevant or it might be more informative to split outcome 7 into outcome 7a and outcome 7b (subsets of the earlier scenario that was more general in its description).

I can not pretend that I understand all the charts that you guys post but JJG puts those charts into words which helps people like me. I would be silly not to listen a little to people more experienced than me in studying charts.

Yeah.. but it still seems to me that several of my attempted points had been misunderstood... or at least interpreted in ways that I had not intended to communicate.
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That's part of the rationale why this here "dude's" preference would be the henna tattoo, and I would imagine that they hurt less worser, too (not that I am speaking from experience beyond speculative observations).

Just don't do black henna.

And?

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Ok.  I google searched and came up with this:

>>>>Why are black henna tattoos bad?
Image result for what is wrong with black henna
The extra ingredient used to blacken henna is often a coal-tar hair dye containing p-phenylenediamine (PPD), an ingredient that can cause dangerous skin reactions in some people. That's the reason hair dyes have a caution statement and instructions to do a "patch test" on a small area of the skin before using them.<<<<<<
https://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/cosmetic-products/temporary-tattoos-hennamehndi-and-black-henna-fact-sheet


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Observed now bitcoin price $44811,

Both #bitcoin S2F (white line) and on-chain signal (color, not red yet) still indicating a 2nd leg of this bull market.

https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD/status/1427698542219612167

Now bull market is comming soon waiting for new renge and create new market stragy wait pumping $100k  Wink
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https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/realized-bitcoin-price-breaks-all-time-high-2021-08-18

The realized price of bitcoin has broken its all-time high reached on May 12 earlier this year, with the metric currently at $20,200. Realized price measures the value that every UTXO on the network last moved to calculate the price of bitcoin.

Whereas the market capitalization of bitcoin is calculated by multiplying the circulating supply by the spot price, the realized capitalization takes every “coin” on the market and uses the price at which the coin (or more technically: UTXO) last moved in the calculation. Thus, the realized price is simply taking the realized capitalization and dividing it by the circulating supply.

Realized price can often provide more signal as to investor activity on the network, as it quantifies that bitcoin is actually exchanging hands, and that price is not just being bid up on the margin via the derivative markets, or by whales wash trading.
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The extra ingredient used to blacken henna is often a coal-tar hair dye containing p-phenylenediamine (PPD), an ingredient that can cause dangerous skin reactions in some people. That's the reason hair dyes have a caution statement and instructions to do a "patch test" on a small area of the skin before using them.<<<<<<

Yep. And by dangerous skin reactions they mean chemical burns and scarring. Some of the pictures I ran across were quite horrible.
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Farmers sometimes place luminous tubes next to electric fencing to check if it works, when there's a power pulse the tube lights up.



Beautiful art sculpture.

Electric fencing technology has moved on a bit. I can operate the energizer from my phone get fault reports sent to my phone if the fence is not energized or if the wire is broken (cattle are out roaming) plus overall health status of the system. This is useful given the energizer can power 25 miles of fence wire.

High Voltage overhead power lines can induce lethal current in cattle fencing that is run parallel to the direction of the power lines. Before the days of checking the insulators on the pylons with an infra red camera from a helicopter, it was quite possible to bury a coil out of sight underneath the power lines and obtain free electricity. Now such attempts are easily spotted.
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How have the last 4 weeks been?
Erm! +43% against USD oh the misery.
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