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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 3 (3.8%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (1.3%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (2.5%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15%)
$95K to $100K - 13 (16.3%)
>$100K - 40 (50%)
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December 08, 2021, 04:16:52 PM

I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
fucking vultures



If you use a KYC AML exchange to make crypto changes that is fair enough but if you use a wallet such as Exodus to make Crypto swaps how can they possibly know about it? It's hard to even track that yourself.

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Personally my defence over 2020 / 2021 would be that indeed, I transferred funds to Binance but because the FCA warned about Binance and my bank closed dealings with them I cannot take the profit out my assets from there anyway.  Cheesy
Fuck em.

But "JUST" 1 BTC to be fair is quite a bit of useless GBPs these days.

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December 08, 2021, 04:21:16 PM
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I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
fucking vultures



If you use a KYC AML exchange to make crypto changes that is fair enough but if you use a wallet such as Exodus to make Crypto swaps how can they possibly know about it? It's hard to even track that yourself.

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Personally my defence over 2020 / 2021 would be that indeed, I transferred funds to Binance but because the FCA warned about Binance and my bank closed dealings with them I cannot take the profit out my assets from there anyway.  Cheesy
Fuck em.

I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk
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December 08, 2021, 04:27:01 PM

I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
fucking vultures



Business idea: send me your BTC and I will bring filthy fiat to you in a case for a small honest fee.  Grin
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December 08, 2021, 04:27:24 PM

@dragonvslinux And @JayJuanGee Are you guys going to destroy the Bitcointalk database soon? (kidding)

Yes... not kidding.

May I know your Keyboard Brand name and Model?  Grin Grin

I cannot say..


Opsec.

The current price is soooo boring, that I decided to share some of my current thoughts. I know what Bitcoin means and what it will give to me and my family. I can describe it with one word: FREEDOM! Freedom not only from the salary slavery, but from all kinds of fears. And to live without a fear is something that nobody in this world can give it to me. No matter how rich I am, if my riches are obtained by the rules of the fiat system. I mean, I may have companies worth billions of $s and still live in a bungalow, because of taxes and other financial obligations. For these reasons and many more, my focus has become obtaining more Bitcoins, rather fiat savings in the bank.

Even though you use the term "freedom,"  I tend to use the word "options," and of course, they are very similar and related concepts.

Surely, bitcoin has shown itself to have been a very asymmetric bet, so in that regard, the longer that any person has held bitcoin, the more options they have gotten.. one to two cycles will likely increase the options quite a bit, but there is also a dynamic concerning starting point and also concerning how aggressive someone may have been in terms of their bitcoin accumulation early in their investment.. so if there may have been some ambiguity regarding the placement of their beginning investment point and how much they invested early on (and how), then there might be some needs for a couple of cycles of BTC price appreciation rather than just relying upon the price appreciation of one cycle.

Probably even Michael Saylor is going to take at least a full cycle or more to feel magnitude like consequences of his early aggressive bitcoin investment approach.. even though we can see that he did have some pretty decent timing in terms of this particular cycle (since he has ONLY been investing in bitcoin for less than a year and a half),.., in any event no matter who we are whether some joe bllow on the street or Michael Saylor, it has tended to be interesting to assess or to reassess where various investors (including our lil selfies) might end up in our bitcoin investment after a full cycle and to consider if our options have increased (hopefully increased unless we really made a shit ton of mistakes by perhaps bystanders either by trading or failing/refusing to be sufficiently aggressive.  

Even with mistakes, since bitcoin has historically been such an asymmetric upside bet, options may have still increased by having had gotten involved in investing into bitcoin... and there is really nothing in bitcoins current posture to suggest that bitcoin's investment thesis has decreased in any kind of meaningful or significant way.


Having said that, it requires a bit of spending related to escaping the salary slavery, buying a house, equipment and medical treatment. This is one of the bitter pills I had to swallow this year by selling part of my stash. The other bitter pill is that I wasn't aware in time to gather more coins. Of course, this is the case with most of us and I guess everyone finds a way to be content with the stash they have. I mean it always looks we are late, and so on. In reality, we are still early adopters. So, no matter what happens related to Bitcoin news, ups or downs, we should keep stacking those precious sats. This looks easy, but remember mindurst!

Well one thing is attempting to time expenses, including having a sufficiently sized emergency fund.. which is easier said than done.. and for sure in mindrust's case he had devolved into way too much overinvesting which largely adds up to falling into a category of gambling rather than investing, and surely sometimes gambling might work out..,. but sometimes it can be quite tragic both psychologically and financially if such gambling does not end up working out.. which we saw in his case.



I am sad for this guy, he was so happy to acuire the 10th coin and a few days later blew it all because he appreciated more the fiat savings than Bitcoin. The danger for us, who know what Bitcoin means, is similar - to be tempted to sell at the "top" of the cycle and rebuy at the "bottom" of the bear market. It sound so tempting, for example if we sold at 20K in Dec 2017 and rebought in 2018 at 3100, we would have had >6x more coins! And this thought was so depressing for me during the 3 year bear market. But there is nothing to be done about it. On the chart it looks so easy, but how many succeeded selling and rebuying with such a huge profit? The odds are much smaller than betting on a single number of a roulette in a casino. They are higher if we aim for a smaller profit like 10-20%, but does it look fine betting 100% of our stash for, say a 25% chance of winning? This is only a rough estimation.

Can't argue with you regarding those points both in terms of the difficulty of predicting tops and bottoms and also how easy it looks afterwards ends up likely being way more of a fluke of luck rather than really having some kinds of mad skills to be able to accomplish for the overwhelming majority of mere normies.

When we calculate the odds, we should take into consideration not only the chances of going up or down, which are around 50% in a bull market, but also whether we would nail the top and the bottom. We may expect a 20% drop, and it may turn out to be only 15%, which means we never return our selling amount. Hence the chances of increasing the stash in this way are getting much smaller. So this hope should be buried toghether with the hope of profiting from shitcoins or building a time machine and buying back in time (which has a slightly better odds than the shitcoins). The only way is to continue buying with the new income, although it looks stupid to buy higher than I sold. But there is an important difference: I am using my future fiat income, not the profit from the sell of Bitcoins. So, as long as I live and have an income, I will pursue a bigger stash. That's the only financial greed which  is healthy in this world. Everything else is a mixture of slavery and fear. Not acceptable for me!

Actually use of debt can be a prudent strategy, so long you do not overdo it.. and surely, the ability to use debt is not a tool that is available to everyone, and surely has allowed people to get way richer than if they had merely used actual non-debt resources available to them to both attempt to manage their cashflow and their investments (bitcoin or other kinds of investments).
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December 08, 2021, 04:38:58 PM
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I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
fucking vultures



Business idea: send me your BTC and I will bring filthy fiat to you in a case for a small honest fee.  Grin

Now that they're onto him already, your service should include the full boating package (because, you know, accidents do happen).
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December 08, 2021, 04:41:34 PM

@dragonvslinux And @JayJuanGee Are you guys going to destroy the Bitcointalk database soon? (kidding)

Yes... not kidding.

May I know your Keyboard Brand name and Model?  Grin Grin
I cannot say.

hahaha. Okay. I won't force you  Grin, It could be considered as a Brand Promotion.  Roll Eyes
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December 08, 2021, 04:46:35 PM

I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
fucking vultures


I see you fell for the KYC trap.

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December 08, 2021, 05:08:14 PM

Hey guys what's the reason why the price of BTC is going down?
The btc price is like a wave sometimes going up sometimes going down.
I think it's time to buy some btc and hold until the price going up.

In recent times, I had not noticed the BTC price going down.

I saw that we had a 39% correction about 4-5 days ago, then we had a recovery from that correction that brought us back to about a 24% correction.. what else do you need to know?

We are in the midst of such recovery that so far seems to be bouncing within the 24% to 30% zone of correction.. so surely there would be hope that the recovery continues.. but it is likely too early to determine if the bottom is in.. even though there was a pretty decent bounce around the day of the deepest part of the so far 39% correction.

Edit:  In regards to my above assessment, dragonvslinux said something similar

@dragonvslinux And @JayJuanGee Are you guys going to destroy the Bitcointalk database soon? (kidding)

Yes... not kidding.

They don't call him "Jay 'Blob Server' Juan 'Postgress Slayer' Gee" for nothing.

Surely that must be the "royal they."

I have Another definition of "JayJuanGee". In my Local Language "JayJuanGee" Means- "WinYoungGhee"  Grin Jay = Win,  Juan = Young, Gee = Ghee, = WinYoungGhee.
I know it doesn't make any sense. But it is what it is. Cheesy

so, just to boil this down to the essentials:

JJG = doesnt make any sense.

got it

There might be some correctness in the not making sense angle since my name choice did not have any kind of meaningful connection to the martian language.... unless I was receiving subconscious vibes and not knowing about it.. In udder words and on the other hand to phrase it MOAR differently, there seems to have been a bit more randomness in terms of my own perspective for having had created it.

my test result is there Grin Cool



That’s a good news congratulations… now we just need to start your medication asap.

Take these pills regularly don’t wait for dips anymore.



thank you, but dr. Poletti prescribed me these pill/s Wink



The much more divisible ones would be preferable.. .  Of course, lightning network does allow subsatoshis too (so there is that angle), but probably for now, just having 100 million subparts would likely be a decently plus good start..

By the way, I have my doubts about whether the size of that actual capsule would even come close to allowing for the proper number of satoshis contained therein.. and for sure sometimes we may well forget how many even 1 million is since 1 million is so big and so abstract and 100 million would be 100x that..  . ..

So, you may well either have the wrong pill or maybe it is just mislabelled in terms of what the unit or the subunits are..   In that capsule pic, you would likely be more than 1,000x short of satoshis.. because I could hardly imagine even 100k subunits being contained within that pictured capsule.. so maybe we have to go back to the tablet form of the pill?  since even though the individual units are not labelled, the actual particles still might end up containing a sufficient number of satoshis?  I am not sure how far a dust particle of a pill can be divided.

BTW whats with the mempool in the last hour?
Seems like quite a bit of activity.
Lets hope its not another selloff

Fear not.. you are getting ahead of ur lil selfie.

Considering that a bat slap might be needed here, or maybe better yet a Airplane slappening.. still thinking about the matter..

In other words.. calm the fuck down.

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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.
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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.

Because any government that attempted to do that would be rapidly facing hyperinflation. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to live in a country like Weimar Germany or the Zimbabwe of a few years ago.
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I moved just 1 bitcoin onto coinbase a few weeks ago and this morning I got this from HMRC
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That's just a tax scare letter. See point #1. Unless you sold for fiat or converted assets, you don't have to do anything.
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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.

Because any government that attempted to do that would be rapidly facing hyperinflation. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to live in a country like Weimar Germany or the Zimbabwe of a few years ago.

I hate to break it to you, but it's already happening. You've heard of "quantitative easing" right?

EDIT:  you might also have heard it called "money printer go brrrrr"
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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.

Because any government that attempted to do that would be rapidly facing hyperinflation. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to live in a country like Weimar Germany or the Zimbabwe of a few years ago.

I hate to break it to you, but it's already happening. You've heard of "quantitative easing" right?

EDIT:  you might also have heard it called "money printer go brrrrr"

Yes of course, and so you are seeing right now the effects of doing it on what is actually a limited scale.

If they tried to do what you imply - which is simply print money with no attempt to bring money in through taxation the result would be off the scale and nothing like what we see today.
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December 08, 2021, 05:59:54 PM

Not the Dutch government: HODLing is taxed, selling only gets you questions from your bank.
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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.

Because any government that attempted to do that would be rapidly facing hyperinflation. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to live in a country like Weimar Germany or the Zimbabwe of a few years ago.

I hate to break it to you, but it's already happening. You've heard of "quantitative easing" right?

EDIT:  you might also have heard it called "money printer go brrrrr"

The only difference between inflation and hyperinflation is the relative speed change.
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I honestly don't mind paying my fair share of tax. Can't be greedy now. Just a heads up to all in the uk

I very much mind paying any tax to such fuckers, when instead the government could just print some more fiat from fresh air. In fact, when a government can magically create money from nothing whenever it wants, it makes me question why I've been paying taxes my whole life.

Because any government that attempted to do that would be rapidly facing hyperinflation. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t want to live in a country like Weimar Germany or the Zimbabwe of a few years ago.

I hate to break it to you, but it's already happening. You've heard of "quantitative easing" right?

EDIT:  you might also have heard it called "money printer go brrrrr"

Yes of course, and so you are seeing right now the effects of doing it on what is actually a limited scale.

If they tried to do what you imply - which is simply print money with no attempt to bring money in through taxation the result would be off the scale and nothing like what we see today.

You're absolutely right. However, what other choice do governments have? They HAVE to keep the money printers on, which is currently causing the rising inflation we're seeing everywhere (maybe hyperinflation, depending on how much they print and which figures you believe - I'm hoping you don't believe governments' official inflation figures, by the way). This is one reason why we hodl bitcoin, since it's the only real money to ever have existed and the only reliable way to safeguard your wealth against reckless governments causing (potentially hyper-) inflation.
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