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December 12, 2021, 06:53:33 PM

Well one day at a time.


http://www.haroldsfamousdeli.com/


sandwich for today is from the menu above.



NEW YORK'S BEST.....Junior...........Large.....X-tra Large
CORNED BEEF           21.95...........38.95......82.95

Buddy wants the extra large it feed 5 to 8 people.

this will give us a nice candle and I invite someone to pick from the menu above for Sunday.

Well buddy did enjoy the corned beef x-tra large we got close to a 2k lift with that.

Maybe we do a brisket for today.

NEW YORK'S BEST...........Junior...........Large..........X-tra Large
CORNED BEEF...............    21.95...........38.95........82.95 For Saturday the 11th
ROAST BRISKET OF BEEF   21.95...........38.95........82.95  For Sunday  the 12th


all from the menu above. If anyone wants to pick a sandwich from the link feel free we will use it for his monday meal. Grin
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December 12, 2021, 07:03:16 PM

It's otherwise been a week since the capitulation down to $42K, so price now looks ready to move higher following the re-test of support.

Price is breaking through the old short-term support turned resistance-ish trend-line with good volume breaking through the $50K sell wall.



There were two clear tests of long-term support, the 200 Day MA, which further confirmed the longer-term uptrend remains intact. Pretty normal bull market stuff. On the 4hr chart, there is more or less clear skies to the $56K-57K level, where the 200 MA, previous resistance trend-line and VPVR point of control lies. On the Daily chart, the 0.618 retracement level and 21 Day MA ($53.6K) may otherwise be the first point of rejection before re-testing new support around $51K. But given previous support was sloping downwards, I don't see so much horizontal resistance, but more like a nomans land with thin volume upto $56K.

Price is otherwise now back above the 50 Week MA @ $47,400, so closing tomorrow above this level would provide further confirmation.

Closing today above $49.5K (Weekly open) will paint an even more bullish picture on this time-frame, with twice the 50 Week MA supporting the price.



The $47K-49K volume profile (circled) is now looking like an accumulation zone (bullish), as opposed to distribution (bearish), with price above it.

If anyone is still waiting to the buy the dip, I have no idea what else there is to wait for anymore.
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I'll correct you there, he was completely wrong in 2019. He only managed to regain face in 2020 when he was still waiting for sub $5K while everyone laughed at him, and then it eventually happened.
You could generally argue that he got lucky with that, but whether luck or skill he was right after all. Selling at $17.5K and buying at $4.5K is some good accumulation overall I'd say.

Assuming you are talking about Tone.

Can't like the guy.

1.  He's constantly virtue signalling as a "toxic maximalist" for social media clout.  Annoying.
2.  What the heck is that crazy numerology he at least used to use?  Maybe it's a legit market analysis but it looks more like Oijia board use to me. some 1-9 thing.
3.  He wrong 50% of the time like a coinflip, IMO.  I can't remember the name of the "system" that he and some guy (who passed away RIP) will shilling back ~2018 where they were CONSTANTLY saying we would be dumping to sub 1k prices.  It was like the "supersystem" or something. He really hung his hat on that failed prediction.

I think old Vanga has more credibility than Tone as far as your random Russian market analyst goes.

I mean... i make predictions, and am probably less accurate than him.  But I do not present myself as a professional, or charge for my tea leaves.

Oh, and *YOU* have him beat 10 ways for quality TA woek!

Anyway... good luck to him, I suppose...
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December 12, 2021, 07:23:39 PM

Above $50k thank you buddy!!!

Just little earlier someone said rejecting $50k again?? into your face…!!!

And if you noticed today is they day 12/12/2021.

which puts this argument to rest DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY

At least for 24hrs.
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December 12, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
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While you're at it, you could add to your ignore list a few more worthless WO contributors besides Torque, who clearly hasn't got a clue about bitcoin or the markets at large: JJG who is rude and doesn't give a ratt's ass, BowLawBlaw who was very very mean to uie-pooie and even shook the rusty pipe in a threatening gesture, myself since I clearly wasn't impressed with your repeated nagging, ChartBuddy as it's a bot - even more so than JJG - and only posts relevant, boring stuff about price (who cares, right?), Arriemoller just because you can - he also had some less-than-nice things to say about your first posts if I'm not mistaken. Oh, and marcus_of_augustus too: a suggested addition to the default ignore list for the conmtemporary, sane noob. More additions may include the notoriously bad mannered Hueristic, the boring JimboToronto with all his bragging about the fake lake or whatever it is, the untolerable Farmer Bill and many more - you can figure them out yourself with a little effort.

At the end of the necessary purging procedure, you will be left with the crème de la crème of this elite thread: your own posts!

TL;DR: If your lil selfie can't stand some honest feedback, maybe you should find a different place to hang out.

EDIT: I just noticed that jojo69 is also very very bad, and draws terrible doors. I'd ignore him too if I were you/

Hey, you forgot ElDuderino with his attention-seeking contests.
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Holy crap. Reading this naim quoted stuff. Have the dude set on ignore.

Dude. We are not here to be your friends.

Fuck off.

Friendship is earned. Not given.

Good grief.

I know he is quite annoying but I would hazard a guess that he isn't out of his teens yet.
Go easy with the rusty pipe Bob.
lol.

I still think its a chat bot.


I am 26 BTW.

Weeks?
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December 12, 2021, 07:40:23 PM
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Fucking retards. Good grief.

That's what you get in the countryside.
Trust me, i know what i'm talking about  Grin

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(Drone test, low light RAW edit, definitely need a bigger sensor on the next one).



(Low light sunset, showing off the limits of smartphone-type imaging sensors).

Only got these two shots today, besides a 180° panorama shot, but i'll keep it to private eyes because of OpSec.
The place was already getting fucking cold and the wind was increasing, tried to avoid iced rotor blades at all cost.
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Hey, you forgot ElDuderino with his attention-seeking contests.

This guy…seriously who does this??? Distributing free bitcoins… I wrote a long post in his recent contest but didn’t post it because i thought someone might take it as buttering but that was a true praise… any way hats off to this dude.


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While you're at it, you could add to your ignore list a few more worthless WO contributors besides Torque, who clearly hasn't got a clue about bitcoin or the markets at large: JJG who is rude and doesn't give a ratt's ass, BowLawBlaw who was very very mean to uie-pooie and even shook the rusty pipe in a threatening gesture, myself since I clearly wasn't impressed with your repeated nagging, ChartBuddy as it's a bot - even more so than JJG - and only posts relevant, boring stuff about price (who cares, right?), Arriemoller just because you can - he also had some less-than-nice things to say about your first posts if I'm not mistaken. Oh, and marcus_of_augustus too: a suggested addition to the default ignore list for the conmtemporary, sane noob. More additions may include the notoriously bad mannered Hueristic, the boring JimboToronto with all his bragging about the fake lake or whatever it is, the untolerable Farmer Bill and many more - you can figure them out yourself with a little effort.

At the end of the necessary purging procedure, you will be left with the crème de la crème of this elite thread: your own posts!

TL;DR: If your lil selfie can't stand some honest feedback, maybe you should find a different place to hang out.

EDIT: I just noticed that jojo69 is also very very bad, and draws terrible doors. I'd ignore him too if I were you/

Hey, you forgot ElDuderino with his attention-seeking contests.

Waaaaauw, thx jimb
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December 12, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
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I'll correct you there, he was completely wrong in 2019. He only managed to regain face in 2020 when he was still waiting for sub $5K while everyone laughed at him, and then it eventually happened.
You could generally argue that he got lucky with that, but whether luck or skill he was right after all. Selling at $17.5K and buying at $4.5K is some good accumulation overall I'd say.

Assuming you are talking about Tone.

Can't like the guy.

Correct and yes, he's far from likeable  Grin

1.  He's constantly virtue signalling as a "toxic maximalist" for social media clout.  Annoying.

Yup, he puts the toxicity in maximalism, as opposed to the fundamentals unfortunately.

2.  What the heck is that crazy numerology he at least used to use?  Maybe it's a legit market analysis but it looks more like Oijia board use to me. some 1-9 thing.

It's called TD Sequential, or now TI I think due to some copyright issues. He still uses it, quite religiously, mainly as sells the code. Apparently it's popular in wall street, or least he successfully used it there, though I fail to really believe that. It's not easy to explain, but based on the idea that candles will correct usually 1-4, or change trends until an 8 or a 9. It's only really reliable about 30-40% of the time I'd say.

There is the advantage that you can see when it's relevant on different time-frames with back-testing, and when it's completely not. For example at the moment on the 3 Day chart it looks relevant:



In summary, the 9 is when you'd be taking profits or buying back into the market, which at least the 9 Buy signal back in October (that changed to a Green 1 when price eventually went back above the Red 5), was relatively useful. In August it also claimed a top, but then would have been invalidated with price moving above it basically. It's not an indicator I'd ever use on it's own, that's for sure, way too unreliable.

The fact he's never been able to create a successful buy/sell script using this indicator should say a lot, while there are many others out there that are successful for generating profits, even simple MA crossovers for example. While it's worth noting that these indicators can make good profits, it won't necessarily be better % gains than hodling, but can be ways to increase $ values in a low-risk manner.

3.  He wrong 50% of the time like a coinflip, IMO.

While probably true, I can't deny that, probably neither would he, this is how he makes his money.  Like many others conservative traders out there. Some people even make money being wrong 60-70% of the time! He only speculates on a 3:1 or 4:1 risk/reward ratio, at a minimum. So half the time he might lose X, but then the other half he'll gain 3X or 4X. Overall, up 1.5X to 2X basically.

I can't remember the name of the "system" that he and some guy (who passed away RIP) will shilling back ~218 where they were CONSTANTLY saying we would be dumping to sub 1k prices.  It was like the "supersystem" or something. He really hung his hat on that failed prediction.

Yeh "Hyperwave Theory" as I previously referenced. Epic fail basically. At least the guy who invented it - Tyler Jenks RIP - only treated it as a theory, and instead used a different more effective strategy using simple moving averages, in order to be buying back in around $6K to something similar in 2019, exactly when Tone was taking profits. He probably sold his stash to him haha. In fairness though, I don't think he ever claimed $1K would happen, but that it could, based on a specific theory of 100 years worth of data from traditional markets. But alas, BTC is different.

Not that I'm here to defend him either, I've always been highly critical.

Oh, and *YOU* have him beat 10 ways for quality TA woek!

While I realise that's intended as a compliment, I really don't think that's hard to achieve  Cheesy

Tone is stuck with an extremely rigid narrow-minded analysis of data with his sequential system, that as referenced isn't even useful half the time, so he misses a lot. Most things probably. Whereas I actually bother to look at at least a handful of different indicators or metrics, even if I don't always present them here, ideally up to a dozen different variables to factor in (especially on-chain ie data fundamentals).  

It's all good and well sticking to a simple system of data analysis, such as "naked trading", MAs, etc, but it's only reliable when the underlying indicator you're using is accurate, which his is not ironically.

Anyway... good luck to him, I suppose...

He'll probably need it to be honest.
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December 12, 2021, 07:56:23 PM

I know you guys are much familiar with F words. Don't put these words in my mouth.
Don't force me to talk with you that way.

Congratulations !!!

Part of my ignore list. Fuck off!!

That was fast  Shocked

No place like WO.
I truly love this thread!

@Jojo: Never came across somebody saying so much without using a word.  Cool
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Nevermind. I am dumb

You dummy.


Couldn't resist that easy layup.

Garbage

Congratulations !!!

Part of my ignore list. Fuck off!!

Nice try kid, but... Bad Call... seriously. If you have any interest in BTC at all, you'll benefit from the Torque tid-bits that trickle through from time to time. But Hey, no biggie, we all take wrong turns from time to time. Personally, if I knew half of what I thought I knew at 26 I'd be living on TOP of the world!!! Speaking of BTC... what's your connection? You've been here since what late 2017? (Didn't look, forgive me if I mis-remembered) And you're Bangladeshi, so in an emerging market that is much more populous than profitable, but getting better in general if I understand correctly. No specifics of course (as you seem to already be exposing WAY too much Op-Sec-wise) but what's your game/experience? Did you start buying in 2017? DCA or have you been trying to make it on the day trading Rollercoaster? If you started DCA in December of 2017, that was a high point at $20kish... I could imagine you'd spent a good deal of time in the red with 3 years bouncing between $3k-$10k... but if you continued to invest all that time, you'd be in a pretty good situation right now! But I'm guessing that's not the way it played out since you're still fuckin around with signature campaigns and what not. So what IS your story? Are the signature campaigns really paying off in any meaningful way? Are you reinvesting proceeds into BTC? Or just scrambling to get by day to day and missing even more opportunities than the $3k coins you coulda had? Your English is pretty damn good and you're obviously pretty capable judging by your abilities to navigate the forum... so I can imagine you're able to make a decent living in the fiat world. Coder? Customer support? Just guessing, (OpSec) so whats the plan for rising to the top when the fiat crash comes? (Note I said When not If. If you're really 26, and even more so if 16... storms are brewing! You're bound to sail right into the rough!) What's the game?


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Well, just think about it.. given naim027's forum registration date of October 4, 2017, even a modestly aggressive BTC investment strategy of $50 per week (given that Bangladesh does not likely have high incomes) would still have put naim027 at the accumulation of 1.2 BTC.. and so ONLY he can really know the extent to which he could have been more aggressive or if less aggressiveness (such as $10 per week) may have been required based on personal circumstances.. but even $10 per week would have put naim027 at more than newbie BTC accumulation target levels, at nearly 0.24 BTC.

It would not necessarily be fair to judge too much because we all know that mistakes can be made and we also all know that if we had failed to do anything, then there is no time better than the present to get the fuck started.... but even getting started can take time and none of us should be too impatient in terms of wanting to get impressive results right away.. or comparing ourselves (and wanting to be equals) to members who have been working on their own financial (and psychological) situation (through bitcoin) for longer periods of time... many of us have our own levels of mistakes that were made in terms of the extent to which we have met or exceeded some of the comparison (reference) points of some kind of straight-forward DCA approach...

And, even let's say that someone might have been in BTC for 8 years, but spends a lot of time fucking up the first 4 years, so maybe it would be unfair to measure the guy from 8 years of DCA'ing because he had only really started DCA'ing around 4 years time.. and sometimes there is not really any prudent and reasonable way to make up for the earlier mistakes of the first 4 years except maybe to be a bit more aggressive to maybe invest $200 per week rather than $100 per week.. but at the same time, there has to be cautions as well in terms of NOT overextending oneself and then ending up into some kind of quasi-mindrust situation based on either getting greedy and then not really prudently/reasonably managing the overall budget and state of psychological preparations.
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While you're at it, you could add to your ignore list a few more worthless WO contributors besides Torque, who clearly hasn't got a clue about bitcoin or the markets at large: JJG who is rude and doesn't give a ratt's ass, BowLawBlaw who was very very mean to uie-pooie and even shook the rusty pipe in a threatening gesture, myself since I clearly wasn't impressed with your repeated nagging, ChartBuddy as it's a bot - even more so than JJG - and only posts relevant, boring stuff about price (who cares, right?), Arriemoller just because you can - he also had some less-than-nice things to say about your first posts if I'm not mistaken. Oh, and marcus_of_augustus too: a suggested addition to the default ignore list for the conmtemporary, sane noob. More additions may include the notoriously bad mannered Hueristic, the boring JimboToronto with all his bragging about the fake lake or whatever it is, the untolerable Farmer Bill and many more - you can figure them out yourself with a little effort.

At the end of the necessary purging procedure, you will be left with the crème de la crème of this elite thread: your own posts!

TL;DR: If your lil selfie can't stand some honest feedback, maybe you should find a different place to hang out.

EDIT: I just noticed that jojo69 is also very very bad, and draws terrible doors. I'd ignore him too if I were you/

Hey, you forgot ElDuderino with his attention-seeking contests.
I did consider El_Duderino for inclusion in my ignorables. Perhaps not mentioning him in the tentative list may be construed as disrespect, but the list wasn't meant to be exhaustive. Besides, he's very kind and never comes to strong words, so I think he's safe from the terrible risk of getting ignored by our freshly chastized newb ;-)
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December 12, 20210

“11 years ago today, Satoshi Nakamoto sent his final public post on the #Bitcoin forum.

The genius to change the world, the humility to walk away ✨”
I seriously regret I never got the chance to talk to them. Who knows, maybe one day.

Maybe you have already.
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December 12, 20210

“11 years ago today, Satoshi Nakamoto sent his final public post on the #Bitcoin forum.

The genius to change the world, the humility to walk away ✨”
I seriously regret I never got the chance to talk to them. Who knows, maybe one day.

Maybe you have already.
You know something I don't?
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... More additions may include the notoriously bad mannered Hueristic,...

Fuck you.  Smiley
To be fair I spend a large portion of my life reading this thread and usually only reach for the keyboard if triggered.

EDIT: Woops forgot the smiley!
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... More additions may include the notoriously bad mannered Hueristic,...

Fuck you.

I like you too! <3
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