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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
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$80K to $85K - 2 (2.5%)
$85K to $90K - 9 (11.3%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (15%)
$95K to $100K - 13 (16.3%)
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I saw this on one YouTube video which said,

“Minute-Earth: Bitcoin mining is a lot like reindeer mating.”

Ok?

Well irrespective of the analogy he put here in mining vs mating, I got something positive from it, which is natural-selection that means bitcoin mining will eventually switch to cheaper and renewable energy sources at the end. There’s is no way miners will stick to costly energy, Wind or Solar will win for retail miners. But big players like countries or big techs will May bring Nuclear fusion or or may be a “Dyson Sphere” type solution, who knows? Mind it we are talking about “evaluation”, it doesn’t happen in days and 2140 is just the beginning like recently JJG said her “Rome was not built in a day”.

https://youtu.be/odsCJXE5d0E
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Ken Griffin (Citadel)  – Bitcoin /regulation and various


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....another one bites the dust

The overall point of possibly "coming around to crypto" may well be fair.. but the video is a bit cringe-worthy to get through.. with some of the seeming confusing language contained therein - which causes me to question if Griffin really knows what is "crypto"... I don't have too many clues about what is crypto either, but at least the video did use the word bitcoin in a few spots.. but still Griffin tends to speak in pretty damned broad generalizations.. perhaps he has some smarter folks on his team.. but I am having my doubts, otherwise they should have already helped him to fix his language a wee bit moar better -be e some ofthe guys are having some trouble actually using the word bitcoin.. so that might be part of their blockage in their really communicating something meaningful besides some vagueries in regards to FOMO regrets.. .. and the channel referring to Warren Buffet or Mark Cuban as evidence of folks "coming around to 'crypto " hardly inspires me.

I know I joke about it a lot, but I totally agree with you, Jay.
I really wish bitcoin and "crypto" could be separated into 2 distinct entities.
As long as shitcoins exist, I'm not sure that can ever happen.
 I've said this before and I'll say it again. Bitcoin and shitcoins are, for better or worse (mostly worst)
joined at the hip. Trading, mining etc.   I would not be "mining" bitcoin on my gpus , were it not for a certain crypto shitcoin, not to be mentioned.
I don't have a solution. I wish I did. That is all.

Maybe there are times when either I misspeak or I fail to adequately communicate my intended message?

For sure, through the years, you (sirazimuth) should have noticed a kind of pattern in which it should appear that I am less bothered by the actual existence of crypto currencies or that such term is used from time to time.   I don't even presume a world in which shitcoins do not exist.. so in that regard, I am in agreement with your assertion that they are likely always going to play some kind of a role that may be confused for bitcoin roles - nonetheless that the fact that shitcoins are always likely to exist does not justify speaking in goobledy-gook speaking ways about them and verbally/conceptually mixing them up with our savior, king daddy.

I might be inaccurate in my own self-assessment, but it seems to me that I tend to be more bothered by ambiguities and generalities in the way subjects related to bitcoin are discussed, especially if some of us might be trying to figure if some other topic might be being discussed or is the discussed subject matter somehow related to bitcoin.

I am not going to want to allow for excuses of speakers who try to get out of clearly presenting ideas merely because "everyone else is" talking that way and/or using those kinds of vague references.  

In my thinking, even billionaires should not be allowed to get away with such vagueness in their references... but still it seems that it would likely not be easy to coral the language that billionaires choose to use.  They are likely constantly surrounded by a lot of yes men.

When a billionaire speaks with such vagueness, I tend to speculate that such billionaire may well be engaging in such obscure speech practices on purpose.. How do you get to be a billionaire without knowing how to speak clearly about potentially complicated or BIG picture things?  

I suppose that it is possible that some of the billionaires do not really know the difference between bitcoin and crypto or maybe they are being vague because they have not exactly solidified their plans in respect to bitcoin/crypto, yet?  Give the poor fellas some benefit of the doubt, right?

Maybe another reason that I get frustrated by vagueness is that it quite likely causes confusion with normies and/or misleads a large number of normies.. and sure, we cannot necessarily expect billionaires to want to communicate clearly to normies, right?   Blame the billionaire or blame the person doing the interview for failing to seek clarifications.  The interviewer might be too star struck to interrupt or seek clarification or even worried that they might offend or lose access to such billionaire.  

.....price will go way over 100K.

Its a given that bitcoin will breech 100K in the future. Maybe even before I'm six feet under (or more likely, reduced to a fine ash in the cremo)

That's pretty vague.

Any of us could keel over at any minute.

At least Philip gave us an outline of probabilities regarding the number of years that he might have left.

But that's really not saying a lot, when a loaf of bread will be $25... or more importantly, a 6pak of Bud Light swill will be $74.99...

Yeah, of course, we know that the purchasing power of the dollar is going to continue to devalue, and that's why it is better to attempt to be more concrete in terms of pegging the matter (get your mind out of the gutter).... that is perhaps talking in terms of todays dollars..

For sure, nothing is exactly guaranteed, and bitcoin itself remains a bit of a moving target.. but I still think that it would be fair to suggest that bitcoin had around a $9k value for 2018 through 2020 (even though we know that in reality we could have gotten BTC for quite a bit lower prices during that time), but even if we are generous and we suggest that our jumping off  BTC price was around $9k for that period.  We still know that we are in a way better place than anyone else by having had accumulated BTC and held BTC.. and hopefully we I did not have to spend too much of it in the past couple of years.. so our purchasing power has somewhat been preserved during that time...

Some folks in equities might have done o.k in terms of possibly maintaining or not losing too much of their purchasing power (but even that is a bit questionable, now)... and those in pure cash got really clobbered during that time, even if they were with the strongest of the fiats (the dollar)..  

The closest comparison might have been real property.. but surely property does not tend to be very liquid and it surely has a lot of possible expenses to maintain it, too.

I suppose in the end, I am not really arguing with you.. just want to supplement what you said, even while tempted to slap you just for (funzies and) your seemingly ongoingly intentional flippantness.    Cheesy  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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That should be another win for CZ and his team.

https://blockworks.co/binance-gains-regulatory-approval-in-italy/
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Trump? Mnuchin? ... Aren't they ded?  Cool  Cool
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Germany sending weapons to Ukraine.

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Although the price doesn't look sexy now, we should appreciate that BTCitcoin passed through both the covid crisis and the war in Ukraine with minimal losses. We live in a rapidly changing world, where instead of 2 now we have only 1 super-power left. I mean because of the stubborness of putler, ruZia lost most of its war machines and is on the way of losing them all. They have no aviation, no tanks, no cruise missles left, and Nato's arms are not even deployed in numbers yet. This is a total humiliation for a nation of drunkards pretending to be something else. The anger and fury of putler is entertaining. He is desperately trying to scare the world by showing off his nukes, which is laughable even according to one recent comentator on their national TV. For me it is clear that we will have the first in the world's history capitulation of a nuclear power. But, I'm a bit worried if there is a civil war in ruZia, which is quite probable in the coming years, how this would affect the price of BTCitcoin. Apart from this, the next halving is coming in 2 years and the FOMO will kick in soon. If BTCitcoin holds the 30K range until then, we can safely assume that the next bull run the price will go way over 100K.

Wishful thinking entirely detached from reality quite common among zombies and victims of the Anglo-American propaganda machine.

 
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How to put this delicately... if a 20% drop is "big" then perhaps the certainty wasn't very certain? I mean many here hold coins they didn't sell at $69k, which is not much different from having bought at that price, and that's like a 60% drop AKA just another Wednesday.

Presumably your investment horizon is longer than a couple of months so you should just forget about the price and stop checking it every day if that affects your mood.
My investment is for the long term but I can not help feel down when I see 10000s get knocked off my investment I think this is natural to have self doubt?

1) Sounds like you have a great wife.... hodl.

2) What was your timeframe? if your retirement timeframe was not a plan to retire 2022,2023,2024..... then bro it is likely NO SWEAT at all.

3) Remember the halvening cycles, check the halvening cycles  vs  the price chart


4) If at all possible, set a price alert , set and forget , see where things are at run up to and post the next halvening
My investment time was beyond 2030. I have not lost hope I think people might misunderstand when I say I have doubt I have doubt because when I purchased that Bitcoin 1st I was shaking this was not because I was worried but because it was a uncontrollable reaction my body had when I made the order. When I got it in my exchange wallet I prolly checked the address 100 times before sending I even sent multiple "test" amounts to not fuck up.  

my wife has been good to me she was not a fan of the idea at 1st and it took some convincing and now the price took a hit I was nervous to tell her because she does not look at it. I was expecting a meltdown but it was the opposite she reassured me by saying you were so confident before so I think we will be ok.

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By the way.. in the past several months, have you continued to study into bitcoin, such as reading more or listening to podcasts?  Of course, we have more and more smart-people coming into the bitcoin space, and there are all kinds of smart people in bitcoin, if you have time to study into some of the better and smarter ones, and I cease to be amazed by some of the smartness of some of the folks coming into bitcoin...

Yesterday, I heard about a 2-hour interview on Swan Signal (podcast) with Greg Foss and Max Keiser..and they both seem to be very good at understanding various macro circumstances that affect the bullish case for bitcoin, and maybe you would like to listen to their discussion?

Here's a link:   https://overcast.fm/+YwHTgOmEU

At one point, I had considered providing a list of the better podcasts because it surely makes a difference to be listening (or following or reading) the smarter folks... there's misinformation and bullshit marketing and scams out there too.. and even this thread is not completely free from having some folks slipping in with not so great information.. yet of course, it would still be your responsibility to be trying to sort the wheat from chaff.
I took a break because I did not want to be monitoring the price every day so I have not been active here or googling or podcasts. I have changed my opinion now because I feel reassured when people are talking about why Bitcoin will eventually be ok and I see you guys here not worrying which helps me but I will try to continue to earn Bitcoin to to make me feel better when it is going down it will give me a chance to accumulate more to. 

I will give the podcast a listen and get back to you with my thoughts thanks.
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ppps- In a couple of years you will likely look back at your purchases and be saying "I am a fuckin genius" Wink
Fuck it I am a fuckin genius. Get me my 'fuckin genius' hat.
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The media is actually trying to relate the TerraUST/Luna collapse to some sort of "Bear Stearns moment" for crypto.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/28/60-billion-terra-washout-not-cryptos-bear-stearns-moment-regulators.html

What the actual fuck are these people smoking? 🤣

If there was ever something akin to a 'Bear Stearns moment', it would have to have been the Mt. Gox collapse.

That was 9 years ago.... and look at where we are now, flying higher than ever.
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The media is actually trying to relate the TerraUST/Luna collapse to some sort of "Bear Stearns moment" for crypto.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/28/60-billion-terra-washout-not-cryptos-bear-stearns-moment-regulators.html

What the actual fuck are these people smoking? 🤣

If there was ever something akin to a 'Bear Stearns moment', it would have to have been the Mt. Gox collapse.

That was 9 years ago.... and look at where we are now, flying higher than ever.
Great perspective even when we have had times where everything been against us like the Mt. Gox collapse we still soared higher than ever. That was early on in Bitcoin to which prolly means Bitcoin was more fragile with less people using it.

Fuck cnbc they are full of shit even when covering legit stories they make up shit.
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The media is actually trying to relate the TerraUST/Luna collapse to some sort of "Bear Stearns moment" for crypto.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/28/60-billion-terra-washout-not-cryptos-bear-stearns-moment-regulators.html

What the actual fuck are these people smoking? 🤣

If there was ever something akin to a 'Bear Stearns moment', it would have to have been the Mt. Gox collapse.

That was 9 years ago.... and look at where we are now, flying higher than ever.
Great perspective even when we have had times where everything been against us like the Mt. Gox collapse we still soared higher than ever. That was early on in Bitcoin to which prolly means Bitcoin was more fragile with less people using it.

Fuck cnbc they are full of shit even when covering legit stories they make up shit.

Forgive me if my eyes are deceiving me but doesn't that article say that it is NOT a bear stearns moment?
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