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[Wilhelm]

First 3 are already in the law books.
Last 4 are unlikely to ever get any traction. It will be resisted or opposed. Plus there is debate on the use of the word "assault", or a question on its definition.

I'd argue we should call them defensive rifles.

Well then you have a lot of mass "defensive rifle" shootings... hardly anyone got "assaulted" right?

But I'm going to stop this religious debate because I don't think there is going to be any change...

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1007588410221

Data from a 1993 survey published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun “for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere” over the previous five years. This amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year and excludes all “military service, police work, or work as a security guard.”
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc

A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9591354/

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million….”
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/18319/priorities-for-research-to-reduce-the-threat-of-firearm-related-violence


Don't like the USA as an example? How about Brazil?

After the relaxation on gun laws in 2019 by President Jair Bolsonaro, the number of deaths registered by homicide was 19% lower compared to 2018 (51,558), while in 2019 the registered number was 41,635 being the lowest number of homicide deaths since 2007
https://g1.globo.com/monitor-da-violencia/noticia/2020/02/14/numero-de-assassinatos-cai-19percent-no-brasil-em-2019-e-e-o-menor-da-serie-historica.ghtml

Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

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[NotATether]

Good evening Wo'ers. Let's see if this dumpster fire will burn the price any lower than $19,300BTC

[Muhammad Shoaib]

Think Positive.
That will be Progressive
Be Smart

I am also expecting such type  profits
Hope so
Hope is On
Hope is now October.

[empowering]

Another teenage mass murderer in the USA.

 

Happy Independence Day... Ugh....

 

6 dead, dozens wounded in shooting rampage at July 4th parade in Chicago suburb of Highland Park

Don't know what's stopping usa from reviewing there gun law. This is crossing limits now.

Gun laws just got reviewed in the supreme court. Didn't go the way you'd like. Sorry, not sorry.

It is sad that it has to be explained.  But the gun laws in the USA are there so that if they try in the US what is being tried in other countries across the world it will be much harder to do.

The news will most likely not report it, but the shooter in Chicago was an antifa type masquerading as a "Trumper".  Why is this happening, you might ask?

We are in a war.  A new sort of war.

Name five ANTIFA members?

You can't because it's a BS story fed to you by republicans...

With the amount of trump supporters going to jail it's getting harder to pass the blame.

You cannot be serious ?  


This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read, anywhere , ever.

[BobLawblaw]

Let's name a few

* BobLawblaw drops zipper and points to flaccid, dry penis, while IWB holstered with .45 ACP 1911

[empowering]

Ok whatever.... you mentioned "popular will of the people"/"representative democracy. "
If that was truly the case, that last clown elected in 2016 would not have happened.

I'd agree. But for different reasons, probably. The republicans had continually been served up a dismal variety of swampy establishment candidates so Trump was largely a spoiler vote (Though many seem quite happy with what he was able to achieve despite opposition from his own party and several years of lies and questionable legal procedures against him). Parties have had a terrible effect on this country on both sides.

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I would *welcome* a widespread review of gun laws in the US. The overwhelming majority of them would be thrown out as ineffectual if nothing else.

The USA is a gun toting culture. Always has been, always will be.
So get used to mass shootings. (I'd venture to guess most Americans have at this point) They are not going away.
Debating gun laws in the USA is like debating religion.
Just like the thoughts and prayers the victims get, it's totally fruitless and useless. Sad but true.

Yes, probably. Until we have a proper discussion about the causes of such things and work on a proper way to solve them other than passing another ineffectual and unwanted restriction on gun ownership that only really affects regular, law abiding people, not much is going to change.

You mean things like

- universal affordable healthcare
- addressing mental illness
- social security
- a safe working environment where
  You can be sick without getting fired
  you can get fired every second of the day for no reason
- the possibility of having a retirement

All those liberal things that republicans are against...

oh gawd, I spoke too soon

[WatChe]

Good evening Wo'ers. Let's see if this dumpster fire will burn the price any lower than $19,300BTC

Bitcoin has already fallen 70% from its ATH last year, it won't be surprising if it further fall below 19k.

[vapourminer]

Plus there is debate on the use of the word "assault", or a question on its definition.

I'd argue we should call them defensive rifles.

for me, a defensive weapon is a scatter gun. to make them keep their heads down whilst i split to a better position and/or a better weapon for the occasion. everything else is offensive by default.

but then again of course there is the argument that the best defense is a good offense. so assault vs defensive is a wash i suppose.

[Arriemoller]

Think Positive.
That will be Progressive
Be Smart

Haha that's me in 2018. 

That's me in 2013, 2017 and 2021.

I had a goal set, sell at 100k. That worked out well, not.

[eXPHorizon]

Official Banner of WO xD

[thisisntbic]

Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

If you consider the truth a narrative, then you would be correct; your belief in it is irrelevant.

I compared nothing, I stated examples showing the high amount of defensive uses of firearms. These numbers would then be compared to the number of "mass shootings", showing your line of thinking is incorrect. Words matter, use them appropriately.

This would be another comparison:
EU
"More than one in four Europeans were victims of harassment and 22 million were physically attacked in one year. But crime victims typically do not report their experiences. They often have difficulties accessing their rights and may feel voiceless. These are the results of the first-ever EU-wide survey on the general population’s experience of crime"
"Nearly one in 10 people in the EU (9 %) experienced violence within five years of the survey"
Only a third (30 %) of victims report their physical attack and a tenth (11 %) their incident of harassment to the police"
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2021/violence-and-harassment-across-europe-much-higher-official-records

USA
"From 2019 to 2020, the NCVS rate of violent crime reported to police decreased from 8.6 to 6.6 per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (down 23%), while the UCR SRS violent crime rate increased marginally from 3.8 per 1,000 persons in 2019 to 4.0 per 1,000 in 2020."
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/nations-two-crime-measures-2011-2020

EU - 9%
USA - 0.4% (or 0.66% if you prefer). Obviously all those 300,000,000+ guns owned by law abiding citizens are causing widespread mayhem not seen elsewhere in the world  

[Biodom]

Think Positive.
That will be Progressive
Be Smart

Haha that's me in 2018.  

That's me in 2013, 2017 and 2021.

I had a goal set, sell at 100k. That worked out well, not.

'cause you have to go with the flow, not preset numbers, but picking up the top is fools errand anyway.
Next time VAST numbers would sell at 60-69K, so breaking these numbers would be very difficult, but not impossible, imho. Most likely it would take a few tries.

[BobLawblaw]

Cleared my order book below $17,500 and reset with new targets @ $19,250 laddering down.

[Arriemoller]

Let's name a few

* BobLawblaw drops zipper and points to flaccid, dry penis, while IWB holstered with .45 ACP 1911

Dammit, now you made me look up flaccid.

Adj. 1. flaccid - drooping without elasticity; wanting in stiffness; "a flaccid penis". soft - yielding readily to pressure or weight. 2. flaccid - out of condition; not strong or robust; incapable of exertion or endurance; "he was too soft for the army"; "flabby around the middle"; "flaccid cheeks". flabby, soft.

[eXPHorizon]

Let's name a few

* BobLawblaw drops zipper and points to flaccid, dry penis, while IWB holstered with .45 ACP 1911

Dammit, now you made me look up flaccid.

Adj. 1. flaccid - drooping without elasticity; wanting in stiffness; "a flaccid penis". soft - yielding readily to pressure or weight. 2. flaccid - out of condition; not strong or robust; incapable of exertion or endurance; "he was too soft for the army"; "flabby around the middle"; "flaccid cheeks". flabby, soft.

bob is flaccid in his wholeness xD

[cygan]

[Wilhelm]

Wow comparing the USA with Brazil to find an outlier that fits your narrative.

Well let's see if New Yorks forced relaxation of the gun control is going to bring down gun crimes...

If you consider the truth a narrative, then you would be correct; your belief in it is irrelevant.

I compared nothing, I stated examples showing the high amount of defensive uses of firearms. These numbers would then be compared to the number of "mass shootings", showing your line of thinking is incorrect. Words matter, use them appropriately.

This would be another comparison:
EU
"More than one in four Europeans were victims of harassment and 22 million were physically attacked in one year. But crime victims typically do not report their experiences. They often have difficulties accessing their rights and may feel voiceless. These are the results of the first-ever EU-wide survey on the general population’s experience of crime"
"Nearly one in 10 people in the EU (9 %) experienced violence within five years of the survey"
Only a third (30 %) of victims report their physical attack and a tenth (11 %) their incident of harassment to the police"
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2021/violence-and-harassment-across-europe-much-higher-official-records

USA
"From 2019 to 2020, the NCVS rate of violent crime reported to police decreased from 8.6 to 6.6 per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (down 23%), while the UCR SRS violent crime rate increased marginally from 3.8 per 1,000 persons in 2019 to 4.0 per 1,000 in 2020."
https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/nations-two-crime-measures-2011-2020

EU - 9%
USA - 0.4% (or 0.66% if you prefer). Obviously all those 300,000,000+ guns owned by law abiding citizens are causing widespread mayhem not seen elsewhere in the world  

Heathdata.org

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[Biodom]

Cleared my order book below $17,500 and reset with new targets @ $19,250 laddering down.

aka Bob's buying in one of his "shrimp" accounts?

[BobLawblaw]

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/ActingOnData/2021/firearm_Page_1.png
Heathdata.org

Considering per-capita firearms ownership, it should not be a legitimate surprise the USA is ranked first, if we are being completely honest with ourselves.

It's not a perfect system.

Nothing is.

At the end of the day, there are more armed good-guys than bad-guys, however.