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April 09, 2014, 01:26:13 AM

I was just thinking about 2 hrs ago that this volume feels like the calm before the storm.

What if this is the calm before the next calm? When the forces are lined up on the battlefield, usually the first guy across the line gets his ass shot off.
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April 09, 2014, 01:28:46 AM

I was just thinking about 2 hrs ago that this volume feels like the calm before the storm.

What if this is the calm before the next calm? When the forces are lined up on the battlefield, usually the first guy across the line gets his ass shot off.

The first bear across the line gets to ride the rocket to most profits.
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April 09, 2014, 01:31:14 AM

I was just thinking about 2 hrs ago that this volume feels like the calm before the storm.

What if this is the calm before the next calm? When the forces are lined up on the battlefield, usually the first guy across the line gets his ass shot off.

The first bear across the line gets to ride the rocket to most profits.

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April 09, 2014, 01:31:54 AM

I was just thinking about 2 hrs ago that this volume feels like the calm before the storm.

What if this is the calm before the next calm? When the forces are lined up on the battlefield, usually the first guy across the line gets his ass shot off.

The first bear across the line gets to ride the rocket to most profits.




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April 09, 2014, 01:35:19 AM

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April 09, 2014, 01:35:55 AM

hmm, I wonder whats gonna happen when he gets to 0


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I will say though, that until we have good news, the previous trend is unlikely to get reversed.  and the trend lines, I posted do accurately represent the past weeks.   The chart would be the best guess for anyone studying the data if they didn't know anything about bitcoin and they had no other information to go on.   Stick that data in an algorithmic computer prediction without any fundamental information, and it would come to a similar conclusion.  

I do NOT know a whole lot about how to input this kind of information into algorithmic computer prediction, yet I understand the concept. Accordingly, I have little reason to doubt that if one put exactly the data from your previous chart into such a prediction tool, we would likely get similar results as you predicted... Maybe NOT as dramatic, but similar.

On the other hand,  I also understand the concept of prediction sufficiently to know that you are being very selective with your timeline, and we do NOT need to incorporate fundamentals data in order to achieve a much different picture.  Surely, if we take nearly any starting point after early December 2013 until present, we are going to get a downward trendline.  However, if we pick any trendline that starts from mid-November or at any point earlier, we are going to obtain much different results (and likely an upward trendline). 

In order to really appreciate the multitude of possibilities in the short-term, we need to also consider the long-term, too.  If we take into consideration the long-term, then it is very likely that we get a WTF?Huh??  result..  - meaning we would NOT be able to figure out with any certainty WTF is gonna happen with BTC prices.   and difficulties in predicting what is going to happen one way or another in the short term.. but an inclination towards an upward trend in the long run.... ... and then if we add in various aspects of the fundamentals, we get a bitcoin price that currently seems to be very undervalued.

You seem like a fairly bright guy that is likely engaging in a form of selectivity in your data, and probably I am wasting my time by engaging with you.... b/c you really are a bit outrageous in that latest predictions and a few of your other recent predictions that seem to be predicting a grand short-term downfall that is supposedly obvious.







But because this is bitcoin, and it does have support, other factors do need to be considered. I take that point.  So with that in mind, my personal opinion is bottoming out is far more likely than a reserve pattern forming without some fundamental positive factor.  

Many bears will have a price in their head, and the further we go down the scale the more likely we are to reach that equilibrium.  

A double bottom is a good scenario for the bulls, or a slow drop until we reach the equilibrium stage.   but while we keep touching that trend line and the 15th of April is approaching, the average price is dropping at a rate of about $7 a day, relative capitulation, followed by stagnation with some stability might be not such a bad thing for bitcoin at the moment.    



These are decent points... Again... depending on the timeline.. and even bears seem to agree if we get stuck at this mid-$400s price range for a considerable amount of time, it is much more likely to break upward rather than breaking downward.. absent further FUD or actual real negative news.


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April 09, 2014, 01:39:07 AM

Little breakout on daily possibly starting, going to 530 max if longs are lucky but probably more like 500. After that, downtrend resumes and eventually 400 is broken.
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April 09, 2014, 01:43:42 AM

The miners decide what the rules are.  Increasingly, that means ghash.io, discus fish, eligius, and btcguild.  Biggest threat to bitcoin today.


Instead of the word "threat," you must really mean biggest "vulnerability"? 

If the miners were to be infiltrated, then could destroy bitcoin, and I suppose there could be some miner-related battles in the future and attempts to figure out what is "good for" bitcoin.

I don't see any way to destroy Bitcoin that wouldn't hurt the destroyer even worse. It would take $20 billion to ensure it could be done and any failed attempt would make it more difficult to try again. You could really hurt it for much less, but not kill it and it would come back stronger. Even if you did kill it, another crypto would replace it almost immediately. You can't kill a protocol.  The laws of economics are immune to legislative fiat.


This is one of the best points that you have made in weeks!!!!! Grin Grin Grin 

Maybe you have snapped out of your quasi-delirium state?

I'm just kidding.. .but I thank you for that point b/c I was thinking that there was something that I was missing.. and in the above post, you outlined the situation really well. 

I will take back any negative thought that I almost had that involved you.    Cheesy


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April 09, 2014, 01:54:28 AM

Little breakout on daily possibly starting, going to 530 max if longs are lucky but probably more like 500. After that, downtrend resumes and eventually 400 is broken.

Well at this point if it goes up it is only going up because enough traders like you are looking at the daily MACD and saying "we'll it should go up now".  So yes I guess if one of you places a big market order and everyone starts chasing the signal the are waiting for then we could squeeze to 500.

But I expect a rally to be much less than what everyone is expecting. Because there is so little money buying now organically.
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April 09, 2014, 01:59:10 AM

the low volume highly volatility range trading may now begin.
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April 09, 2014, 02:00:36 AM


Explanation
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April 09, 2014, 02:02:01 AM

One reason why the breakout would be weak is because is because it has a very small base beneath it in terms of price appreciation and volume, especially volume. There was only 40K volume done on the day that the bottom was formed, which is nothing for a reversal day. I was surprised it even bottomed there and didn't keep going down.
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April 09, 2014, 02:02:41 AM

every time the market gets a risk off opportunity it rallies up. the fundamental forces are ripening. the price is not happy where it is now, it wants to be higher. each tragic news item has less and less effect on the market. we are now approximately at the low caused by the first news item (465). since then, even the worst news cant hold this market down for more than a couple of days.
This coming rally will likely be sustained and supported.

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April 09, 2014, 02:04:38 AM

the low volume highly volatility range trading may now begin.


here it comes.   China, making the first move
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April 09, 2014, 02:07:16 AM

Also note there are no 1,500BTC bid walls accumulating coins this time.
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April 09, 2014, 02:14:19 AM

Also note there are no 1,500BTC bid walls accumulating coins this time.

no one is interested in the 500BTC wall on btc-e tho.

volume is low because we accumulated so many god damn hodlers invested for the future.

don't expect them to all panic sell at once because china banned bitcoin 5 times in april.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w&feature=share&list=PL3C264C70646796C4&index=4
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April 09, 2014, 02:18:31 AM

Also note there are no 1,500BTC bid walls accumulating coins this time.

no one is interested in the 500BTC wall on btc-e tho.

volume is low because we accumulated so many god damn hodlers invested for the future.

don't expect them to all panic sell at once because china banned bitcoin 5 times in april.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w&feature=share&list=PL3C264C70646796C4&index=4
You don't really have proof of how many people are 'hodling' and how many are dedicated to holding and aren't just waiting for their chance to get out.

Also, a price supported by entirely by holding and not by buyers is very weak - it is unusable by merchants due to the lack of liquidity. It is in effect a ponzi scheme.
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April 09, 2014, 02:21:59 AM


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this is how it was on the night before 700 on stamp. the market can so easily surprise. if this bounces off 400, that's a strong bull signal and could go to 600 easily.

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