Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[solex]

the TREND IS YOUR FRIEND, never forget. 

The trend is your friend until the bend in the end!

Still surprised that the Chinese TBTF banks are closing bitcoin associated accounts, but the advantage is that it will draw a line under the China FUD when complete. Also explains why Huobi was making noises about wanting to expand offshore. Now they will probably want to fully relocate offshore. The big question now is whether Hong Kong is insulated from PBOCs anti-Bitcoin directives.

[billyjoeallen]

I BEGGED you assholes to dump on the dead cat bounce and buy back when $400 was retested. You could have increased your BTC holdings without spending an extra dime.

Says the asshole who was insulting other people's mums when everybody with half brain could saw it's going below 600$.

Fuck off you moron, don't play the smart arse game here..

I'm gonna fuck off with the thousands of dollars I saved today by going full fiat. Jesus, you're still sore about that? Let it go, Man. I gave you credit for your good call, now give me credit for mine. Or give me your mom's number (I think I lost it).

I'm not really 100% sure, but personal empirical evidence suggests that starting out a conversation with "you assholes" usually doesn't lead to fruitful outcomes in the short, medium or long term.

EDIT: so yeah, fuck off, billyjoeallen.

Ouch. How much have you lost so far? 

[chromosoma]

Sorry guys, i feel so guilty. I think the whole Bitcoin collapse is because of me. I  decided to join  BTC at the end of Dec 2013, and plugged my  four Antminer U1  in  the   first January week.
That is why BTC is collapsing  from this point.
It always happens to me:(

Few months ago i also wanted to  visit Ukraine...

[keithers]

Sorry guys, i feel so guilty. I think the whole Bitcoin collapse is because of me. I  decided to join  BTC at the end of Dec 2013, and plugged my  four Antminer U1  in  the   first January week.
That is why BTC is collapsing  from this point.
It always happens to me:(

Few months ago i also wanted to  visit Ukraine...

You ruined it for all of us! JK

[magicmexican]

Well this is starting to get boring. The whole btc-china thing already feels like one of those dragon ball Z fights that lasts 50 episodes.

I did like the Gox arc way more.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[virtualfaqs]

the TREND IS YOUR FRIEND, never forget. 

The trend is your friend until the bend in the end!

Still surprised that the Chinese TBTF banks are closing bitcoin associated accounts, but the advantage is that it will draw a line under the China FUD when complete. Also explains why Huobi was making noises about wanting to expand offshore. Now they will probably want to fully relocate offshore. The big question now is whether Hong Kong is insulated from PBOCs anti-Bitcoin directives.

It will keep going until there's an outright China ban as everyone else has been saying.

[molecular]

I BEGGED you assholes to dump on the dead cat bounce and buy back when $400 was retested. You could have increased your BTC holdings without spending an extra dime.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tie+show+laces

Says the asshole who was insulting other people's mums when everybody with half brain could saw it's going below 600$.

Fuck off you moron, don't play the smart arse game here..

I'm gonna fuck off with the thousands of dollars I saved today by going full fiat. Jesus, you're still sore about that? Let it go, Man. I gave you credit for your good call, now give me credit for mine. Or give me your mom's number (I think I lost it).

I'm not really 100% sure, but personal empirical evidence suggests that starting out a conversation with "you assholes" usually doesn't lead to fruitful outcomes in the short, medium or long term.

EDIT: so yeah, fuck off, billyjoeallen.

Ouch. How much have you lost so far? 

You don't make a loss until you realize it. I long recovered my initial investment and then some. So just don't worry about me.

[JorgeStolfi]

On Huobi, the drop at 02:51 UTC (10.51 China time) may have been dumping by insiders, or reaction to news of other exchanges, Australia, etc.. The larger drop at 04:37 (12:37) must have been by the clients who were logged in at the time and saw Hobi's note as it was posted. Then those clients may have called some friends, which may explain the  next series of smaller dumps.

Now there may be a gradual decline as other users log in and see the note, one by one.  There may be many clients who check once or twice a day (say, before and after work) or even less.

[billyjoeallen]

Well this is starting to get boring. The whole btc-china thing already feels like one of those dragon ball Z fights that lasts 50 episodes.

I did like the Gox arc way more.

You're probably not going to like it when it gets exciting again. Five days is a Looooong time to hold $400 with shrinking buy walls.

[raid_n]

wow!

[magicmexican]

nice 1500 btc dump on stamp to 400

[MrBlacky]

Chill guys.

Much of the China BTC account closing has already been factored in the price.
It won't go much further down. I don't see it go below $350.
Probably it will go close to $350, will stay there for a while, maybe 1-2 weeks, and then it will bounce back to probably $450-$500 or so.
And that's where it will stay maybe for a 1-2 months.

This was expected news and many of the day traders will now sell, thinking they will make a quick buck.
Probably some of them will come to this forum and start yelling how we will reach $100 by the week's end.
Speculation, speculation, speculation.

Fortunately, I read more than just this forum. The volume in itself during this month-long crash has been remarkably low, hardly any whales. I've seen a few, but on the buying side, not on the selling side. Which means that most BTC players are holding, but not just holding and waiting.

I've seen that some have moved to investments in the alt-coin market. There are a few alt-coins which has started a serious pump in the past few days.
There is more than just BTC, and BTC can be used to more than just holding.

As for the China money not coming in? The money from China will continue to come in, be sure of that.
Given how proficient the Chinese are in avoiding their government, I am positive in a few months they will find a work-around.

Plus, the Chinese government it only closing yuan accounts, BTC exchanges can continue to operate using USD accounts or other currencies as far as I understand.

Well, good luck out there.

[soullyG]

3k dump on Bitstamp, let's see how the wall at $400 holds up..

[chromosoma]

nice 1500 btc dump on stamp to 400

Someone might though  "ah, fuck it, i am out of this  madness!!!1111"

[chromosoma]

listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH3HQqEEz6U&list=PL469B2315CC94E2E7

so epic while watching bitcoin fall

[JayJuanGee]

I've been buying a little here and there, too.  I buy on the way down and sell on the way up...  

I buy on the way down b/c I do NOT know how far the price is going to go down.... We have NOT even broken $420, yet.... so I am glad that I did NOT sell at what may be the bottom... but maybe we will get $410 over the weekend, before starting to move back up....

Isn't buying at $1000+ like, the opposite of buying on the way down?

That's when I started at $1200.... and then I have been buying when prices going down... yep.  

You want to make fun out of that system?

How can you call it "on the way down" when you started at the very top? Clearly that $1200 purchase was waaaay on the way up.

Yes, that is when I started.. I bought 1.245 BTC for $1500 on Localbitcoin to start out.. Then thereafter I bought on dips... and mostly on the way down.  It took me a little more than a week to set up an account on coinbase to be able to continue to buy on coinbase after that.    So what's the problem?  except for the fact that you are looking from your own perspective.  You do NOT know anything about my total investment portfolio, my risk aversion, my reasons for getting into BTC.  You want to criticize without knowing particulars.. for what reason?  Are you trying to teach me something?  to say I told you so?  to say that I did something wrong?  What's your point, exactly?

My point is exactly what I said, you didn't start by buying on the way down. Starting by buying on the way down would have put your first purchase at about $800 or something. It's easy to buy on the way down when all it's doing is going down, but be honest: if the bubble had ended at $2000, would you have been buying straight up to the top thinking it would never end?

Surely it is possible that I misspoke somewhere along the line; however, my point is that my recent strategy was buying BTC on the way down.  That has been my preferred buying strategy... even though I got in towards the peak prices. 

However, when I first started investing in BTC, in the end of November, I did NOT know how far up BTC prices were going to go, I was attempting to front load a little bit for the first month b/c I had NO idea if the price would keep going up to $2000 or whatever.... but it took some time to get my various accounts going (which ended up being my coinbase account for purchases)

So once my account was able to buy daily then I budgeted to buy several times during each day an allocated amount of fiat until I felt that I had accumulated somewhat of a stake into BTC.  So I would try to buy at low price points during each day - and I had considered that as a form of daily dollar cost averaging, with front loading of my investment. 

A little more than three weeks into my investment, right before christmas, I had accumulated about 13.5 BTC and my average buy-in price at that point was $764 and I had a little more than $8,000 invested into BTC.  Thereafter I adapted my strategy a little bit.... but largely intended to be buying mostly while prices were on their way down.  This practice has been pretty easy, since prices have been going down a lot between the end of December and present. I would sell on the way up, if I were to get sufficiently into the black...   At this point, it seems that it may take a little while to get sufficiently into the black.. as BTC matters are currently progressing in a seemingly downward trajectory.

So does that make sense to you, or do you want to grill me some more to attempt to figure our whether I am pulling your leg.. or not following a sound practice or you want to criticize some thing that I am doing or to suggest that I am either lying to myself or incompetent or some negative motives or you want to try to suggest some other investment strategy or you are engaging in Monday morning quarter-backing?

In any event, hopefully, I have clarified sufficiently for you to understand my earlier statement(s).

By the way, What's your story?   Do you have some personal investment details that you can share (sort of a quid pro quo)?  Surely people have different investment approaches, depending upon when they got in, their risk profile, their other investments and maybe even depending on their reasons for getting in.  Part of my original motivation remains my current motivation and that is to diversify or hedge my dollar investments.  I feel that I have way too much of my total investments in the dollar.

[FullLife]

Wall at $400 was chewed up nicely.  It will be interesting to see if what's left holds.

[magicmexican]

Wall at $400 was chewed up nicely.  It will be interesting to see if what's left holds.

The timing was weird, stamp usually follows huobi a lot, this was kinda out of place

[TeeBone]

Wall is going DOWN.

300's here we come.

Bears rejoice, our time has come !