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April 11, 2014, 02:00:25 PM


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April 11, 2014, 02:02:23 PM

HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

why I am not day trading, I don't even use them. I think we're currently in a bull trap lol

http://imgur.com/HCopK4u after being shown the previous statements which give a lot of context I am willing to admit being wrong, and say that shits highly unprofessional.

However.. I didn't compare stamp to barclays.. they compared professional brokers to stamp so I asked them how stamp should convey their message to be more like the professional thieves and included an example.
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April 11, 2014, 02:02:47 PM

HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

If it said bull trap I would laugh harder
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April 11, 2014, 02:08:18 PM

A few pages back I read something about China-related movement hapenning on the 18th. What's up with that? I thought that their ban on exchanges or whatever goes into effect on the 15th, so there should be wild fireworks going around on that date, in either direction. But why the 18th?
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April 11, 2014, 02:08:37 PM

From march 24th to today.. we've been from 592 > 339 > 415-430 .. all on FUD from China...also the unprofessional aspect of the PBoC disgusts me. As well as the fact greed dictates a majority of day traders are going to use that information in one way only, the same way the used it since Dec 5.
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April 11, 2014, 02:09:30 PM

HOWS is THIS INVESTMENT ADVICE? I've heard to the moon more often as joke from bears to kid at us now .. man you guys and girls take some shit so serious while just avoiding everything else of a similar nature which is actual fraud and manipulation LOOOOL enjoy being thumb suckers.

So you're perfectly content to compare a "professional" business to some randoms on the internet, yet it's everyone else that is the thumb sucker?

I'd lay 4:1 if it had said "BULL TRAP" you'd be outraged.

why I am not day trading, I don't even use them. I think we're currently in a bull trap lol

http://imgur.com/HCopK4u after being shown the previous statements which give a lot of context I am willing to admit being wrong, and say that shits highly unprofessional.

However.. I didn't compare stamp to barclays.. they compared professional brokers to stamp so I asked them how stamp should convey their message to be more like the professional thieves and included an example.

Fair enough. I will say that the posts make it seem like someone important at Stamp might be looking to get out of their BTC position. Wink
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April 11, 2014, 02:09:54 PM

From march 24th to today.. we've been from 592 > 339 > 415-430 .. all on FUD from China...also the unprofessional aspect of the PBoC disgusts me. As well as the fact greed dictates a majority of day traders are going to use that information in one way only, the same way the used it since Dec 5.

I predicted it and you fool believed that I was trolling =D THANK YOU ! I have 25% coin more now !
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April 11, 2014, 02:11:23 PM

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As of a reddit translation, a day ago.. Huobi said April 18th their ICBC card deposit accounts would be halted and they would stop prior to that date. This was in a discussion with the bank manager or customer service manager not a direct with the PBoC and as well they bank c/s managers alleged it came from higher up and wasn't a typed document buy a oral communication.

PBoC today we're hearing from the President of the PBoC there was never a plan to ban bitcoin.

As stated before they just enforced Dec 5th policies.
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April 11, 2014, 02:16:19 PM

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As of a reddit translation, a day ago.. Huobi said April 18th their ICBC card deposit accounts would be halted and they would stop prior to that date. This was in a discussion with the bank manager or customer service manager not a direct with the PBoC and as well they bank c/s managers alleged it came from higher up and wasn't a typed document buy a oral communication.

PBoC today we're hearing from the President of the PBoC there was never a plan to ban bitcoin.

As stated before they just enforced Dec 5th policies.

No deposits is pretty much a ban. Certainly not good for the price and will assist in our capitulation to $10.
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April 11, 2014, 02:16:23 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.
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April 11, 2014, 02:18:45 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

Yea and bitcoin isn't a very attractive investment if the price isn't constantly rising. Won't happen with the ban on deposits. China has effectively banned bitcoin without banning bitcoin.
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April 11, 2014, 02:19:18 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

ever lol
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April 11, 2014, 02:25:37 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

Yea and bitcoin isn't a very attractive investment if the price isn't constantly rising. Won't happen with the ban on deposits. China has effectively banned bitcoin without banning bitcoin.

Lets just see how many coins the Chinese actually have when the deposits stop. Just because you cant deposit YEN into your account doesnt mean that you don't want BTC at all.
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April 11, 2014, 02:27:24 PM
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sbut then again the Mt. Gox episode was prolly the most substantial event to erode consumer confidence? :\ jmo
MtGOX must have had little influence on the mood of Chinese speculators, since most of them could not trade there.

Also the Chinese exchanges look "different" so the Chinese probably feel that "it could not happen here". (Like the US nuclear industry dismissing Chernobyl because "our designs are different".)

MtGOX is sometmes mentioned in the Chinese news, but I haven't seen any mention of Chinese losing money in it (wheras we still see much of that in the West -- e.g. in last week's "so long and thanks for all the coins" message by the Neo & Bee vanished CEO.).  There may have been Chinese among the MtGOX victims, but I doubt that they were significant in number or money.

When MtGOX finally admitted collapse, the BTC price had been on a steady descending trend for almost a month, and that trend has continued unchanged to this day.

That trend may be due to many possible reasons -- the Chinese getting bored with bitcoin speculation, the steady stream of coins mined in China, growing disenchantment with bitcoin' long-term prospects, competition by Litecoin and other altcoins, and so on.  

Whatever its cause, that trend, like almost every movement of the price since last October or earlier, is clearly a Chinese phenomenon copied to the West by arbitrage.

In addition to that trend, the BTC price had a sudden permanent drop by some 100--300 CNY after the first MtGOX announcement on Feb/10 -- but quite likely because Mark claimed that there was a "bug in the protocol", not for any implication about the MtGOX insolvency (which, at that time, was still vehemently denied by its faithful clients).

The second MtGOX announcement on Feb/20, and its final collapse a while later, did not seem to have had any permanent effect on the price in China, and therefore on the price everywhere else.  

In addition to that trend, the only significant price events with permanent effect were the mysterious jump upwards by ~700 CNY on Mar/03, and the net drop by ~300 CNY on Mar/27 after the Caixin leak.  There was a temporary "bump" during the New Year holidays Jan/29-Feb/06 (when banks were closed and volume was minimal), and another one on Apr/02--Apr/06 (when people were still wondering whether the bank part of the Caixin leak was real).  The persistence of the latter bump is not clear yet.

In summary, I do not think that MtGOX's collapse had a significant influence on the BTC price since late December.  China still defines the price, and they did not care much about MtGOX.  For that reason, I cannot guess what will happen to the price if and when the Chinese market closes.
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April 11, 2014, 02:28:00 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

A long shot here, but if fundamentals are actually in play, the idea of side-chains being explained to the public now is some of the biggest news ever as far as speculative future underlying value/utility.
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April 11, 2014, 02:32:31 PM

Hey guys, what is the reason for the ongoing bitcoin price decline?

rumors of Gox coming back

And now the rumors of China coming back.
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April 11, 2014, 02:36:02 PM

There will be a delay between the time when the coins bought on Huobi will be sold on BTC-E again.
Not sure, it seems that arbitrage traders are very quick; price movements at one exchange are copied over all exchanges within minutes if not seconds.  (They must be fast, else other arbitrage traders will steal their opportunities.)
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April 11, 2014, 02:39:56 PM

Hey guys, what is the reason for the ongoing bitcoin price decline?

rumors of Gox coming back

And now the rumors of China coming back.

Which is perfect for launching a new Bitcoin bubble when the dust settles!  Grin
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April 11, 2014, 02:43:55 PM

What's strange to me is that there's really no news here. We already knew China wasn't outright banning BTC...yet.

How can you ban BTC?

Like how???

You mean knowledge of a certain set of digits is potentially illegal?

I mean we're getting to down to philosophical absolutes now thanks to bitcoin. It's make or break time for humanity. The grey area between libertarianism and authoritarianism is shrinking rapidly.

If you KNOW a string of data, and someone sends bitcoin to that piece of data, would that be illegal?

That's essentially what "owning" bitcoin is.

This needs its own thread, or more probably already has one.

Weren't people talking about border police demanding to know if people were "carrying" btc over the border, and wondering what is considered "carrying."

When making a paper wallet, I generated a private key. I picked a number our of the universe, and told the blockchain that there is where my unspent outputs should be moved to.

If bitcoin becomes "illegal" what happens? Am I supposed to forget the number? Send them to an address I don't own? In which case, what if someone maliciously sends me some more? What if the police send me more to incriminate me?

And we're where we are with drugs (the fun ones). Something that can be used to completely ruin a persons life. It's not like any other crime. Someone can just dump a bag of coke in your car and next time you're driving.....

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April 11, 2014, 02:44:41 PM

Is there some regulation in Bitcoin trading that prohibits [ insider trading ] (serious question)?
There is no regulation that prohibits the exchange owner from stealing the coins of all clients and blaming it on "hackers".  (Serious reply.)

Common property theft laws would apply in the latter case, but they are hard to enforce if the exchange is in a foreign country and the owners are anonymouous,  The laws against insider trading do not even apply, the exchanges are not registered or regulated as markets.
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