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April 15, 2014, 04:55:51 PM

Bedtime. Maybe my shorts will fill before I wake! Smiley  

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April 15, 2014, 05:00:16 PM

you guys are so full of shit..

..for a moment I forgot this is the trollbox Cheesy

Agreed, I don't believe anything these jokers here say.  Nothing but verbal diarrhea in order to justify past decisions or else attempt to manipulate others for future gains.
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April 15, 2014, 05:00:20 PM


Explanation
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April 15, 2014, 05:05:48 PM

CCMF!!
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April 15, 2014, 05:08:32 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start trading?
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April 15, 2014, 05:11:35 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start CCMFing?

FTFY
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April 15, 2014, 05:12:51 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start trading?

We will know soon enough

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April 15, 2014, 05:16:14 PM

you guys are so full of shit..

..for a moment I forgot this is the trollbox Cheesy

Agreed, I don't believe anything these jokers here say.  Nothing but verbal diarrhea in order to justify past decisions or else attempt to manipulate others for future gains.
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Well, I guess ChartBuddy is a pretty straight dude...lol
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April 15, 2014, 05:16:43 PM

Have you bought some BTC's already?
I have been doubling my BTC holdings every day since December.  Wink
Please check my maths 0 x 2 = 0

Jorge I see a few who have lost a lot shoring on the bad news, had they followed the accepted Bitcoin investment strategy they could profit. Bitcoin is a revolution not a ponzi, if you invented a better currency the elephant in the room is how do you distribute it in a fair and efficient way that is what is happening in Bitcoin land today. Skeptics like you made me question my understanding, it wasn't until I read an article written about 10 years before bitcoin posted on bitcointalk how the scarcity of gold facilities it's ability to be a communal store of wealth. (I wish I could find it I've tried a few times) Skeptics like you made one question there understanding, and do things like sell at the bottom as they come around to seeing the viewpoint presented, but without understand the full picture Bitcoin remains a binary invention. Your efforts could negatively affect those who make the mistake of being greedy and investing more than they are willing to lose.

Bitcoin investment advice.
Don't invest more than you are willing to lose.
Buy low sell high
and learn to hodl.  
Sell a little in every bubble.

The outcome from the strategy above is if Bitcoin fails tomorrow or in 20 years you lost nothing of value.
If it is successful you can reap a reward, how well you hold represent orders of magnitude in return.

All the scams are just necessary vaccinations, it's wrong in my view to tell people to live in this plastic bubble (lawful growth economy of environmental destruction) where everything is safe because in the real world it isn't. We need scam immunity. Living like a parasite in a growth economy is the biggest scam ever perpetrated. Bitcoin is just one small experiment nothing to avoid, if successful it rewards participants.

I hate scanner and manipulators as much as you do but I know in Bitcoin land a honest measure of wealth that evolves organically will develop an immunity to such things, this belief comes from systems that evolve naturally the foundation or our consciousness.
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April 15, 2014, 05:18:50 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start trading?

We will know soon enough



What I dont understand though is that according to some people there is a massive influx of money from the west into the BTC environment, still we dont seem to be able to start our own rally on one of the western exchanges.
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April 15, 2014, 05:19:08 PM

I can smell a dumpload of chinese coins incoming.
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April 15, 2014, 05:24:44 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start trading?

We will know soon enough



I recon it will play out like this..   (just my opinion)

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April 15, 2014, 05:24:55 PM

Well, I guess ChartBuddy is a pretty straight dude...lol
At least ChartBuddy posts useful information...
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April 15, 2014, 05:30:00 PM

I can smell a dumpload of chinese coins incoming.

Might want to check your pants first.
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April 15, 2014, 05:32:42 PM

The price will go down, because this spike wasn't caused by new money entering the system, but by moving around of some money that was already in the system. And it's not a lot that's in, so it was only a matter of time when the rise gets exhausted and starts to fall back. I think that we will see some low volume aftershock waves today, and maybe even tomorrow, but it won't be long when the price drops back to sub 400. As long as there isn't new money coming in, then it's a bad call to just sit on BTC. Only thing to hope for is that the drop will be fast and not slow and ugly, like it has been for the past months.

While such analysis might hold true for a short time such as a few months, it nevertheless remains that since the end of 2009, Bitcoin userbase has grown 10,000x and its price 100,000x.

By betting that the downtrend will continue, you are betting against exponential growth. Why would you do it?

Are you saying that it has suddenly become much more difficult than before to reach the next order of magnitude of userbase and, hence, valuation? And saying that in the exact relative low point of the price according to the trend so far? And that Bitcoin userbase will actually stop growing and start shrinking? Now? It's almost discounted in price btw  Cheesy Man, you got to be kidding!

This one stands unrefuted, you may try:

The market today does not give more than 12% probability of that happening; probably much less than that.

That's why I am buying and telling others to buy.

Bitcoin has a long and glorious history that its price has had nothing to do with long-term expected value. My estimate of scenario-probability-weighted discounted 2020 value of 1 bitcoin is about $500,000 and the fact that the majority of players in the market think differently, is my advantage.

And I am quite sure I know the reason for that. It is the extreme information asymmetry between Bitcoin owners and non-owners. (To simplify,) Bitcoin owners know that bitcoins are very valuable, and they buy and hold as much as they can. But as a result of their price going up, it forces people to sell, not because they don't trust Bitcoin, or expect the EV to be anything less than $100k or whatever in a few years, but because their entire net worth consists of bitcoins and it is rational to diversify (cf. Kelly betting). Even if the price goes down, these true believers cannot buy much more because the same optimal allocation strategy holds true.

The ones who don't own bitcoins, don't know it is good Smiley They are converting to bitcoiners at an exponential rate, though (see my previous post, and this thread for the ownership distribution). This increasing adoption gives the steam to the rise of price, in a self-sustaining virtuous cycle.

First only very few people knew about Bitcoin, and they were technologically astute and early adopter type. Many could start using Bitcoin immediately upon hearing. In the second phase more people heard, but they were, on average, slower. In the third phase or so, in which I belong, I heard and it took me 12 months to buy. In the next one, people who heard in 2011, propelled the boom in 2013 because their average decision making time was even longer. In the whole of 2013, especially the time around the peaks, 100s of millions of people heard about Bitcoin. On average, these people are even slower than previous ones, perhaps taking on average 24 months to enter (and also a smaller percentage of them enters). But they are so many! There is nothing you can really do to prevent the fraction of these people adopting Bitcoin, and by doing it, their action increases the price again by a decade, letting the rest of the planet to hear about it and putting hundreds of millions of people in the pipeline.

Bitcoiners know it, the rest don't. The price does not go to $1 million in an instant because only the ones who realize the above thing, can push the price up, but it will nevertheless go there eventually, because the above thing is a self-sustaining loop. Therefore buying bitcoins when you read and realize it, is the most lopsided bet you can ever make. You can actually pay $460 for something whose EV (expected value = average payback of all scenarios weighted by their probabilities) is in between $100k and $1M+. ONLY the fact that people realize this one at a time, slowly but exponentially, keeps the bitcoin price "at check", growing at an average of 1000% per year, for 5+ years now.

My wealth is dependent on the above being true. Nobody has explained to me, why it is not so. The stage is yours! Smiley
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April 15, 2014, 05:36:43 PM

So now we wait until the so called Chinese wake up again to start trading?

We will know soon enough



What I dont understand though is that according to some people there is a massive influx of money from the west into the BTC environment, still we dont seem to be able to start our own rally on one of the western exchanges.

yeah lots of money has gone in, I've seen people on stamp grab a 1000 coins at market before the dumps...this example covers both my points. Smart money doesn't rush into the market generally speaking, they're going to wait for China's ability to crash us 100+ on social media leaks to subside while being on the sidelines picking up coins on the bottoms of these crashes. After that they might make some market buys depending on their perceived growth patterns. It is silly, terribly silly to market buy anything above 250k when sheeple feel as if they're walking on thin ice..
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April 15, 2014, 05:47:29 PM


That's probably your breath, instead of coins... you're smelling. It's coming from your mouth just below your nose.

Fonsie?  Oh really? Is the cloning never going to end?
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That's probably your breath, instead of coins... you're smelling. It's coming from your mouth just below your nose.

Fonsie?  Oh really? Is the cloning never going to end?

I have to admit, were I a troll, I'd be deeply honoured of having trolls distorting my username in order to troll me back.
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Explanation
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No volume.. everyone in bed then at 2:03 am (in China),  all those mini dumps.  What is scary 400BTC was almost enough to move the market.  
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