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[Paashaas]

https://newsbit.nl/chatgpt-voorspelt-dit-gebeurt-er-wanneer-alle-bitcoins-gemined-zijn/

Desalniettemin, ben ik naar mijn waarneming niet alleen verbazingwekkend ontgoocheld dat Bitcoin met een schaamteloze waarde van $1 miljoen in 2050 niet de volle befaamdheid gekregen heeft wat het met volle teugen wel verdiend van het oorspronkelijk ontwerp om een financiële aarverschuiving in gang te zetten ten begunstige van de mens. Mag Chatgpt met zijn genuanceerde mening niet te oprechtelijk te zullen worden aangenomen.

[El duderino_]

https://newsbit.nl/chatgpt-voorspelt-dit-gebeurt-er-wanneer-alle-bitcoins-gemined-zijn/

Desalniettemin, ben ik naar mijn waarneming niet alleen verbazingwekkend ontgoocheld dat Bitcoin met een schaamteloze waarde van $1 miljoen in 2050 niet de volle befaamdheid gekregen heeft wat het met volle teugen wel verdiend van het oorspronkelijk ontwerp om een financiële aarverschuiving in gang te zetten ten begunstige van de mens. Mag Chatgpt met zijn genuanceerde mening niet te oprechtelijk te zullen worden aangenomen.

True

[SamReomo]

Make it be 171 posts in a row at 29k slot

damn buddy be playing on the freaking edge  


In a parody of JimboToronto

Go Buddy go!

Your rhythm broke after this post because the buddy understood that we are going to get a dump. Too many expectations but the result was totally shocking and unexpected. Hey Buddy can you please bring those days back as I want Phil to count at 29k once again.

[philipma1957]

Make it be 171 posts in a row at 29k slot

damn buddy be playing on the freaking edge  


In a parody of JimboToronto

Go Buddy go!

Your rhythm broke after this post because the buddy understood that we are going to get a dump. Too many expectations but the result was totally shocking and unexpected. Hey Buddy can you please bring those days back as I want Phil to count at 29k once again.

fuck may as well drop to 19.5k.

I will load up and the W.O. will be freaking out.

At 25 k I will say got a piece
At 24 k I will say got a bit more
At 23 k I will say damn buddy nice bargains

all the way down to 19k
at 19k I will . Be able to buy some nicely liquidated gear. and not buy any btc.

I figure 6 weeks of bargain hunting is coming my way.

Aug 19 to Sept 30.

This is one of the perks of buying the us I bonds back on 4/2022 as  I am now fully hedged if we drop under 20k.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[JayJuanGee]

Make it be 171 posts in a row at 29k slot

damn buddy be playing on the freaking edge  

In a parody of JimboToronto

Go Buddy go!

Your rhythm broke after this post because the buddy understood that we are going to get a dump. Too many expectations but the result was totally shocking and unexpected. Hey Buddy can you please bring those days back as I want Phil to count at 29k once again.

Kind of like a vindictive woman, Buddy does not seem to appreciate being taken for granted - which seemed to have begun to become the seeming direction of Philips chiding of buddy..

and it also seems that buddy gives less than two shits about whether you, philip or anyone else, whether individually or a team or not wants to get back to the $29ks.. doesn't matter how nice you ask...

Buddy is working on his/her/its own dime (although I would suggest that if you appreciate the services of Buddy, don't piss off richy t because he might take his marbles and go home, again)..  

fuck may as well drop to 19.5k.

In your dreams.

I will load up and the W.O. will be freaking out.

Yes.. because you oversold below $20k and want to get that back, and likely other folks here did not make the same mistake..

Sure, don't get me wrong.. you are not alone in terms of making mistakes.. we all make mistakes, and they come at various points in time, and they might also come from difficulties in giving up some of our mindset that is likely rooted in life-long gambling practices.. some peeps got dee bug worse than others.

At 25 k I will say got a piece
At 24 k I will say got a bit more
At 23 k I will say damn buddy nice bargains

every $1k?  mine are every $500 - but surely I am not cheering for them to happen.   I don't want them to happen.

Actually, I will admit that my buy orders down to $26 were a bit larger than the ones that are below $26k, but I was starting to get used to the fact that maybe they would not fill.. which was kind of what I would have preferred - even though surely some dilemmas can be had when it seems like some of the fiat (in your grubby hands) is more than you need or want... so there are some desires to buy BTC with some of it.. but gosh I also don't want to spend all of it either.. It is nice to have some fiat for spending purposes outside of buying BTC with it... I can think of a few things such as H, L & B.

all the way down to 19k
at 19k I will . Be able to buy some nicely liquidated gear. and not buy any btc.

I figure 6 weeks of bargain hunting is coming my way.

Aug 19 to Sept 30.

This is one of the perks of buying the us I bonds I am fully hedged if we drop.

Aren't you the smartest guy in the room to have had locked yourself into that shitty dollar product that is yielding you dollars too, to the extent that you can actually use any of that money  within the timeline that you are expecting.

Phil.. smartest guy in the room.

who would-a-thunk?

[fillippone]

**note:  I will apologize to fillippone in advance for the format of these charts, because I could not get his google spreadsheet conversion tool to work for me

Here JJG: I updated the sheet with a second template. you can open it and find your table with the customisable Rake %age

# BTC	Fiat Rate	Total Value	Rake BTC	Rake USD	Rake_Running_USD_ TOTAL
10.00000	$40,000	$400,000.00	0.50000	$20,000.00	$20,000.00
9.50000	$80,000	$760,000.00	0.47500	$38,000.00	$58,000.00
9.02500	$160,000	$1,444,000.00	0.45125	$72,200.00	$130,200.00
8.57375	$320,000	$2,743,600.00	0.42869	$137,180.00	$267,380.00
8.14506	$640,000	$5,212,840.00	0.40725	$260,642.00	$528,022.00
7.73781	$1,280,000	$9,904,396.00	0.38689	$495,219.80	$1,023,241.80

Warning. I used my formulas. Maybe I celebrated a little bit too much this evening, but why 5% of 400K is not 20K?

Unbelievable what A.I art is doing.. truly fking hot n amazing

Interesting. Which AI is it? Leonardo?
Asking because...reasons.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[gallianooo]

Lot of WO members still surprised it was finally not « the last time we saw this BTC price » or not the « last bargain ».

I am still confident since I am heavily invested in BTC from early 2015 for LONG term (more longer than another cycle).

However, how ‘early’ BTC investors can be still surprised or naive after all the fact we have since the 2021 ATH cycle ?

- Weak ATH double top
- ‘Only’ x3.5 since 2017 ATH (20->69K).
- NO real rebound / signifiant bear market really on all the down 69->15.5K. Means : down almost 78% from the ATH with a shy x3.5 ATH.
- Went for the first time below the previous ATH (and more than 20% below).
- Staying below for months and below the 200 EMA.
- Some members compare with 2019, but in 2019 we had a real bear market rally till almost 14K (20K->3K->14K). Only thing we did till now it’s ‘only’ x2 from 15.5 to 31K after this straight down 69->15.5K without any substantial reaction. WEAK.

Current facts are BTC had a « weak » bullrun in 2021 (compare to previous ones), but  still kept a strong bear market without any ‘impressive’ bear market rally since almost 2 years.

AND we are still +/- 8months away from the halving. And most probably no spot ETF validation before Q1 2024 (if accepted).

And, without enter in the detail,  traditional markets, especially NASDAQ100 not smelling good for the next weeks/months.

So from a ‘bearish’ side we still have place and time to get  ‘new BTC bargain’ before the end of this year / early 2024.

DCA from now till end the year / halving time should probably be a good risk/reward.

[Woodie]

One last time, for the slow learners in the back....

The part about trading that everyone hates when open trades go back where all the action started to mitigate the order block aka close the open trades ...these markets are so damn highly manipulated

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[JayJuanGee]

**note:  I will apologize to fillippone in advance for the format of these charts, because I could not get his google spreadsheet conversion tool to work for me

Here JJG: I updated the sheet with a second template. you can open it and find your table with the customisable Rake %age

# BTC	Fiat Rate	Total Value	Rake BTC	Rake USD	Rake_Running_USD_ TOTAL
10.00000	$40,000	$400,000.00	0.50000	$20,000.00	$20,000.00
9.50000	$80,000	$760,000.00	0.47500	$38,000.00	$58,000.00
9.02500	$160,000	$1,444,000.00	0.45125	$72,200.00	$130,200.00
8.57375	$320,000	$2,743,600.00	0.42869	$137,180.00	$267,380.00
8.14506	$640,000	$5,212,840.00	0.40725	$260,642.00	$528,022.00
7.73781	$1,280,000	$9,904,396.00	0.38689	$495,219.80	$1,023,241.80

Warning. I used my formulas. Maybe I celebrated a little bit too much this evening, but why 5% of 400K is not 20K?

Wow.  That's nice.

In regards to your question why 5% of $400k (10 BTC) is not $20k and 0.5 BTC respectively, the short answer is that you were right.

The medium answer was that there was an additional 0.998 multiplied within the formula for the sell, and there were some other buy back assumptions contained within the whole formula to cause the amount sold overall to have had been less with the passage of time.  So, I see that the formulas that I used were not just making a point about ONLY selling, but instead had some other things going on in there. So your revision of the formula seems to ONLY contain the selling assumption of 5% without any further underlying formulas to reduce the amount.

And the even longer answer, just for context was that when I made the post earlier today, I was scrambling to try to find my earlier work on such topic of raking and/or selling on the way up, and those ideas of mine largely came out of  from some of my active participation in Rpietila's (Risto) (RIP) 2013 Thread entitled:  (SSS) - A Sane and Simple bitcoin Savings plan .... which I had thereby created several customized templates for myself, and so the template that I got in order to create my posted tables today came from a variation that I had created in about October 2016,  so in that table, I did not end up changing any of the formulas that were contained therein, but instead I just plugging in the starting number of 100 BTC, and $20k as the starting price and then changing the percentage from either 5% or to 10% for each of the respective tables, and yeah for some reason, that particular template had an additional 0.998 and some other formulas in there that were multiplied in there and I had not even noticed those extra (seemingly buy-back related) formulas in there.

I did also just update those two tables, which your pointing out my formula error did cause pretty decently-sized changes in the final numbers and so I therefore changed some of my description of the meaning of the results that the tables show too. 

Thanks again fillippone.

[Hueristic]

Last time I let a wallet choose the fee.

Bitcoin Transaction
Broadcasted on 06 Aug 2023 03:19:43 GMT-4
Hash ID
66194dd0795096fa4689bf0a76b6605bb8ab9bbf149faf586d73a92bec6983d0
Amount
0.01287576BTC • $335.67
Fee
1,176SATS • $0.31
From
bc1ql-683ff
To
2 Outputs
This transaction is efficient, no issues detected.

2 Fucking weeks so far!

[pawel7777]

Last time I let a wallet choose the fee.
(...)
2 Fucking weeks so far!

This is why I switched to a wallet with RBF feature (Electrum). Some would let you boost up the fee with CPFP provided you have sufficient unspent output.

[Hueristic]

Last time I let a wallet choose the fee.
(...)
2 Fucking weeks so far!

This is why I switched to a wallet with RBF feature (Electrum). Some would let you boost up the fee with CPFP provided you have sufficient unspent output.

Sparrow has RBF, I've just been lazy and said fuck it.

Full control over fees

This wallet gives you full control over fees. This means that this wallet allows changing the fees after funds are sent using RBF or CPFP. This wallet also provides fee suggestions based on current network conditions so that your transactions are confirmed in a timely manner without paying more than you have to.

Its no rush I just don't like baby sitting shit.

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[JayJuanGee]

Lot of WO members still surprised it was finally not « the last time we saw this BTC price » or not the « last bargain ».

I am still confident since I am heavily invested in BTC from early 2015 for LONG term (more longer than another cycle).

However, how ‘early’ BTC investors can be still surprised or naive after all the fact we have since the 2021 ATH cycle ?

- Weak ATH double top
- ‘Only’ x3.5 since 2017 ATH (20->69K).
- NO real rebound / signifiant bear market really on all the down 69->15.5K. Means : down almost 78% from the ATH with a shy x3.5 ATH.
- Went for the first time below the previous ATH (and more than 20% below).
- Staying below for months and below the 200 EMA.
- Some members compare with 2019, but in 2019 we had a real bear market rally till almost 14K (20K->3K->14K). Only thing we did till now it’s ‘only’ x2 from 15.5 to 31K after this straight down 69->15.5K without any substantial reaction. WEAK.

Current facts are BTC had a « weak » bullrun in 2021 (compare to previous ones), but  still kept a strong bear market without any ‘impressive’ bear market rally since almost 2 years.

AND we are still +/- 8months away from the halving. And most probably no spot ETF validation before Q1 2024 (if accepted).

And, without enter in the detail,  traditional markets, especially NASDAQ100 not smelling good for the next weeks/months.

So from a ‘bearish’ side we still have place and time to get  ‘new BTC bargain’ before the end of this year / early 2024.

DCA from now till end the year / halving time should probably be a good risk/reward.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except for your seemingly smug "I told you so" tone, as if you really know anything more than anyone else, are you going to try to say that you got the bottom right from last year?  $15,479, remember? 

Or do you want to say the current bottom of $15,479 is not in? 

It seems that you are not necessarily going that far, but surely if BTC prices end up going down to some amount below our current local correction of $25,601, then you are surely going to want to say I told you so. But how far are you going to call now?

Sub $22k?  or sub $20k? or some other number?

I am not even going to try to enter any bet with you because I have already learned my lesson regarding your weasliness and disingenuineness when it comes to actually putting money on the line, and you seem to either think that a large amount needs to be bet, or you are just using those kinds of large amounts as a way to play the weasel.. .. anyhow.. not a bad post, otherwise... even though there are some of the characterization things that I don't really agree with.. but not really any big deal.. might just be stylistic in terms of attempting to support directional prediction variance that might exist between you and me.

[aesma]

Back from vacation to find the corn has crashed a little, but not enough to make me buy more than my DCA amount. Below 20K, I will be tempted (but then there is the issue of the fiat onramp again, annoying).

Last time I let a wallet choose the fee.

Bitcoin Transaction
Broadcasted on 06 Aug 2023 03:19:43 GMT-4
Hash ID
66194dd0795096fa4689bf0a76b6605bb8ab9bbf149faf586d73a92bec6983d0
Amount
0.01287576BTC • $335.67
Fee
1,176SATS • $0.31
From
bc1ql-683ff
To
2 Outputs
This transaction is efficient, no issues detected.

2 Fucking weeks so far!

mempool must be congested otherwise it should have been through by now

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation
Chartbuddy thanks talkimg.com

[gallianooo]

Lot of WO members still surprised it was finally not « the last time we saw this BTC price » or not the « last bargain ».

I am still confident since I am heavily invested in BTC from early 2015 for LONG term (more longer than another cycle).

However, how ‘early’ BTC investors can be still surprised or naive after all the fact we have since the 2021 ATH cycle ?

- Weak ATH double top
- ‘Only’ x3.5 since 2017 ATH (20->69K).
- NO real rebound / signifiant bear market really on all the down 69->15.5K. Means : down almost 78% from the ATH with a shy x3.5 ATH.
- Went for the first time below the previous ATH (and more than 20% below).
- Staying below for months and below the 200 EMA.
- Some members compare with 2019, but in 2019 we had a real bear market rally till almost 14K (20K->3K->14K). Only thing we did till now it’s ‘only’ x2 from 15.5 to 31K after this straight down 69->15.5K without any substantial reaction. WEAK.

Current facts are BTC had a « weak » bullrun in 2021 (compare to previous ones), but  still kept a strong bear market without any ‘impressive’ bear market rally since almost 2 years.

AND we are still +/- 8months away from the halving. And most probably no spot ETF validation before Q1 2024 (if accepted).

And, without enter in the detail,  traditional markets, especially NASDAQ100 not smelling good for the next weeks/months.

So from a ‘bearish’ side we still have place and time to get  ‘new BTC bargain’ before the end of this year / early 2024.

DCA from now till end the year / halving time should probably be a good risk/reward.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, except for your seemingly smug "I told you so" tone, as if you really know anything more than anyone else, are you going to try to say that you got the bottom right from last year?  $15,479, remember? 

Or do you want to say the current bottom of $15,479 is not in? 

It seems that you are not necessarily going that far, but surely if BTC prices end up going down to some amount below our current local correction of $25,601, then you are surely going to want to say I told you so. But how far are you going to call now?

Sub $22k?  or sub $20k? or some other number?

I am not even going to try to enter any bet with you because I have already learned my lesson regarding your weasliness and disingenuineness when it comes to actually putting money on the line, and you seem to either think that a large amount needs to be bet, or you are just using those kinds of large amounts as a way to play the weasel.. .. anyhow.. not a bad post, otherwise... even though there are some of the characterization things that I don't really agree with.. but not really any big deal.. might just be stylistic in terms of attempting to support directional prediction variance that might exist between you and me.

Please JJG, we talked more than enough in the past regarding the bet. You can scroll up all our conversation. I wanted to bet for a ‘significative’ amount, not ‘peanuts’. You asked for time but didn’t get back then (and waiting more time help you to see where the market goes..). I don’t have the exact number, but I think you were able to bet than BTC will never go below 16Kish. But stop on it, enough talked about it, and too late now. Useless.

Regarding my last post, I didn’t say I know more than everybody, I just exposed facts since 2 years and you seem globally agree. We can be right, we can be wrong but according to these facts, any ‘early’ BTC investor/believer cannot be really surprise IMHO.

Based on the BTC history + timing + oversold and FTX collapse, I would say there is High chance than the bottom is in.
But to know if we will DEFINITELY bounce from 25Kish or if we will visit again 20/22K or even 16/18K for some (quick) moments, ofc nobody can know. Large target could be between 16 and 30K for some more months. That’s why DCA from there can be a good balance risk/reward till the REAL up.