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[Riginac111]

I was going through X and I saw this news, I don't know if I will say it's a speculation or not, Tom Lee forecast that bitcoin potential rises of price to $200k to $250k by year end,

My Question, is that, is it possible for bitcoin to hit $200k for the remaining two months, or his forecast is a fallacy?

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[Karl_3000]

https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we 

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

Pushback? Thousands of replies.

David Schwarz - one of the guys behind ripple (the shittiest of shitcoins IMO), seems to disagree.
Or maybe not: I didn't investigate too deeply.

Bitcoin is part of cryptocurrencies but what is happening make bitcoin not to be part of them. Altcoins are created and be dumped for a new one in a way that there is spoofing and layering, insider and wash trading to manipulate the market which makes investors to be losing. The altcoins will have huge marketcap but shrink just like those coins linked to Trump.


These are what cryptocurrencies have turned to today using Trump's tokens as examples:

I was going through X and I saw this news, I don't know if I will say it's a speculation or not, Tom Lee forecast that bitcoin potential rises of price to $200k to $250k by year end,

My Question, is that, is it possible for bitcoin to hit $200k for the remaining two months, or his forecast is a fallacy?

https://x.com/i/trending/1980064729587470841?t=iMsvnIb1nSn-01gtV1tujg&s=09

I do not know but I know that bitcoin is going to $1 million one day. I do not like all these short term speculations.

[Vaculin]

https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we  

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

He is not wrong, bitcoin = bitcoin, crypto = altcoins.

[AlcoHoDL]

https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we  

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

Pushback? Thousands of replies.

David Schwarz - one of the guys behind ripple (the shittiest of shitcoins IMO), seems to disagree.
Or maybe not: I didn't investigate too deeply.

OK, I'll bite.

I don't think it's about names, but about sets and hierarchies.

Bitcoin is crypto (by definition). It is the first cryptocurrency to ever become mainstream. And it's the king of them all -- by any metric.

Crypto = literally thousands of altcoins, but, in this mess, Bitcoin has to be included (by definition).

It's like saying humans are animals. Yes, humans are animals from a biological standpoint. But calling a human an animal would be taken as derogatory, because humans are way above all other animals, so the term "animal" doesn't do us justice, so to speak.

In the same manner, calling Bitcoin crypto is considered derogatory, and rightly so, as Bitcoin is way above all other cryptocurrencies out there. One could say that Bitcoin's overwhelming superiority and success has enabled it to transcend its origin as a cryptocurrency.

[Lucius]

I was going through X and I saw this news, I don't know if I will say it's a speculation or not, Tom Lee forecast that bitcoin potential rises of price to $200k to $250k by year end,

My Question, is that, is it possible for bitcoin to hit $200k for the remaining two months, or his forecast is a fallacy?

You clearly have no idea who Tom Lee is - for me one of the most confused people who even speculate on cryptocurrency prices. A few years ago, he was often quoted on the forum until they realized that he had no idea what he was talking about.

[ChartBuddy]

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https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we  

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

Pushback? Thousands of replies.

David Schwarz - one of the guys behind ripple (the shittiest of shitcoins IMO), seems to disagree.
Or maybe not: I didn't investigate too deeply.

bitcoin is not a “crypto”. if we use the word “crypto” as an abbreviation for cryptocurrency, this may be correct, but essentially, ‘crypto’ means “secret, hidden.” so cryptocurrency will be an appropriate definition for bitcoin.

furthermore, cryptography is the general term for mathematical algorithms and methods used to keep information and data secure. calling bitcoin a crypto or cryptography is like calling mozart music. we can't say it's completely wrong, but it's a bit odd.

[AlcoHoDL]

https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we  

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

Pushback? Thousands of replies.

David Schwarz - one of the guys behind ripple (the shittiest of shitcoins IMO), seems to disagree.
Or maybe not: I didn't investigate too deeply.

bitcoin is not a “crypto”. if we use the word “crypto” as an abbreviation for cryptocurrency, this may be correct, but essentially, ‘crypto’ means “secret, hidden.” so cryptocurrency will be an appropriate definition for bitcoin.

furthermore, cryptography is the general term for mathematical algorithms and methods used to keep information and data secure. calling bitcoin a crypto or cryptography is like calling mozart music. we can't say it's completely wrong, but it's a bit odd.

What you're saying is strictly correct, but, IMHO, it confuses things and does not help in this discussion. When you visit Yahoo Finance and click on "Crypto", you don't expect to see an explanation of SHA-256, do you? You go there to check the prices of Bitcoin and possibly other cryptocurrencies.

Crypto = cryptocurrency in this discussion -- I think we can all agree on this.

[xhomerx10]

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 I've looked at my most dependable sources for information about comet C/2025 A1 which will supposedly pass earth closer than the moon and it simply does not exist.  There is no comet passing in the space between the moon and earth - what site did you get this information from?  There are two comets visible in the sky today (Swan C/2025 R2 and Lemmon c/2025 A6) but probably not to the naked eye without a perfectly clear, dark sky.  You would likely need binoculars or a camera on a long exposure and enough knowledge of the sky for where to look.
 
 TL;DR  it's a bullshit claim

N.B. - I started posting about auroras because we’re in a part of the solar cycle (roughly every 11 years) when auroras are more likely to be visible and accessible to many people. It’s a wonderful, memorable sight that you can enjoy simply by stepping outside and looking up - something more immediate, tangible and frankly, awe-inspiring (imo) than many other astronomical phenomena.  While there may be some people here interested in other celestial objects and events, I'm 100% certain that absolutely nobody here is interested in false claims about comets or sky phenomena that aren’t actually happening or are wildly exaggerated.  My aim in posting about the aurora is to share a real-time, easily-attainable, once-in-a-lifetime experience as we wait to see the next "Bitcoin Moon".

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https://x.com/jack/status/1979880332175495586

Jack Dorsey says bitcoin is not crypto.
We needed a reminder didn't we  

What is this crypto stuff anyway?

Pushback? Thousands of replies.

David Schwarz - one of the guys behind ripple (the shittiest of shitcoins IMO), seems to disagree.
Or maybe not: I didn't investigate too deeply.

bitcoin is not a “crypto”. if we use the word “crypto” as an abbreviation for cryptocurrency, this may be correct, but essentially, ‘crypto’ means “secret, hidden.” so cryptocurrency will be an appropriate definition for bitcoin.

furthermore, cryptography is the general term for mathematical algorithms and methods used to keep information and data secure. calling bitcoin a crypto or cryptography is like calling mozart music. we can't say it's completely wrong, but it's a bit odd.

What you're saying is strictly correct, but, IMHO, it confuses things and does not help in this discussion. When you visit Yahoo Finance and click on "Crypto", you don't expect to see an explanation of SHA-256, do you? You go there to check the prices of Bitcoin and possibly other cryptocurrencies.

Crypto = cryptocurrency in this discussion -- I think we can all agree on this.

i absolutely agree. the reason this discussion has come up is because of the inaccuracy in jack dorsey's tweet. the sentence he constructed seems to imply that bitcoin is something completely separate from “crypto.”

if i were explaining bitcoin to someone, i would definitely use the term “crypto” too. but i think the most logical approach here is to use “crypto” as a general term encompassing bitcoin, altcoins, and everything else related to that topic.

when i hear someone say “crypto,” my mind might not immediately jump to bitcoin, but i understand what they're talking about. “crypto” encompasses everything related to cryptocurrencies.

[AlcoHoDL]

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Sounds like an interesting bet.
Personally, if i was a betting man (I am not), i would wager on the @JJG side.

Additionally, it would be interesting to see a WO poll with these time and ATH conditions, wouldn't it?

I'm not a betting man either. But this is not a bet -- it's free money for Jay, fueled by LFC's eagerness to sell.

We will have an ATH by the end of Q1/2026 -- that's my guesstimate.

You are even more bullish than me.  Remember you were saying ATH in September and other variations of that?  hahahaha.. even writing haikus dedicated to such "artistic" visions.[...]

Well, I guess it depends on the individual, but for me, both coiners and nocoiners should feel good about the current Bitcoin price.
-- Nocoiners should be happy to be able to buy (slightly) lower than earlier.

By definition, no coiners are not buying.. that is why they are called no coiners...  For clarification,  you might have been referring to low coiners and/or bitcoin skeptics who are still reluctantly buying from time to time, or even referring to the whimpy bitcoin accumulators, who are still likely to get ahead in bitcoin, yet they won't get ahead even close to as much as any coiner who has developed bitcoin conviction, even those low coiners and/or new coiners who are in their early years of bitcoin accumulation.

You are astute. I did mean low coiners, somehow I confused the two. Post edited and corrected, with thanks.

-- Coiners (esp. WOers) should be ecstatic that the price is at 6 digits and expected to rise significantly in the long term.

For sure, even coiners can become confused and even WOers can become confused.

I don't really put LFC into the "confused" category, even though I would suggest that his ongoing bearish rhetoric likely ends up contributing to confusion and/or adding to confusion, even if he might end up being correct.  And, sure he has a right to say what he says, since surely we don't all need to agree in these here parts, and sometimes we do need guys like LFC who are willing to say what he really thinks (feels) even if it is unpopular with some of us... so yeah, the fact that he says it and even is willing to bet upon it, shows a decent amount of conviction regarding what he is saying and he is not merely saying it, just to say it or to be unnecessarily provocative.

Of course, anyone has the freedom to say whatever they want. Perhaps I'm projecting to others my own way of seeing things... When I consider what Bitcoin has given me over the years, in terms of complete financial independence and total freedom to do almost anything I've ever dreamed of, I find it insulting and ungrateful to say that "I'm very disappointed" by its performance because of a 20% dip (now 10%), seeing that it's at 6 digits USD for months and expected to rise significantly. I don't know, maybe it's just me...

To whine about spot price not constantly rising, or not peaking at a specific pipe-dream value that one has put in their head, does not make much sense to me, sorry...

It does come off as a wee bit crazy and even a demonstration that someone might not be managing his position very well, since if a person really so easily has those kinds of sentiments, then he likely had been gambling with his bitcoin holdings rather than investing and allowing of the BTC price to go in either direction, especially since we have seen these various extreme happenings (and flushing out of coiners) so many times in bitcoin's history, so the mere fact that bitcoin does not seem to b doing what we expect it to do, might either be that we do not understand it very well (which surely I am willing to admit) or that we might be unrealistic in our own betting in one direction.

We know that there are even expressions in regards to both investors and traders to describe the phenomena that markets can stay irrational way longer than any of us can remain solvent.. so in that regard, each of us should be hedging various aspects of our own beliefs in order to attempt to better prepare ourselves both financially and psychologically, even if there might be times in which our convictions and/or our base case contains very strong probabilities/possibilities of playing out, of course, from our perspective and weighing of the evidence of the matter.

I cannot disagree with anything you've said above.

Not being salty, just trying to make you guys realize and appreciate how lucky you are.

There may well be some of us, who ONLY got as far as we got in bitcoin based on a whole hell-of-a-lot of luck - meaning that we might not even have any clue about what is bitcoin or why it's number had been going up, yet at the same time, we ended up putting a decent amount of investment into it, and then it largely grew beyond expectation to contribute to our ending up getting emotional about an investment that we only coincidentally fell into and circumstances contributed to our ongoing continuance in HODLing it.

I am not even necessarily talking about bitcoin, since many of us likely recall the story of the supposed OG who decided to sell 80k worth of bitcoin in order to supposedly engage in estate planning, which hardly makes any sense - except in a scenario where the guy had already died or is getting close to dying, so he is worried about the logistics in trying to pass down 80k bitcoin... so sometimes there can be some behind the scenes dynamics that are motivating guys to go down paths that hardly make any sense to some of us, and we might even speculate that they are failing/refusing to account for their 9 individual factors, even though we happen to just not know enough about how they are weighing certain ones of their 9 individual factors, and perhaps what they are doing ends up making sense rather than being the mere appearance that seems to support that they were being too emotional in their reactions and/or their articulation of how they see the bitcoin situation (including how much emphasis they seem to be giving to one of the 9 individual factors related to their own assessment of bitcoin prices as compared to other (non-bitcoin) places that they could put their time, energies and/or value).

Again, I don't disagree with the above. I used the word "luck" loosely, even for those of us who do have a clue about what Bitcoin is. Luck, in the sense that many of us have reached a stage where our lives are sorted, at least financially, all thanks to Bitcoin. Anything could have gone wrong, but all the pieces seem to have fallen into the right place to bring us to a good position. I just can't help but appreciate that. I would never say that "I'm very disappointed". On the contrary! Even if Bitcoin dipped to $50k (which it won't, and you will win your bet), I'd say that I'd still feel ecstatic -- Bitcoin has performed outstandingly over the years, and certainly beyond my expectations, when I was buying it for $200/coin.

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[d_eddie]

‘Trump Insider’ Whale Who Scored $160M In BTC Rout Opens $76M Bitcoin Short At 10x Leverage
Bitcoin

The trader opened a 700 BTC short at $109,133, with liquidation set at $150,080, signalling a bold, high-leverage bet on Bitcoin’s further decline.

So the insider is down approximately $1.4M. My guess is: if number go up, he'll close the short around 0.114-0.115, when the losses would reach and pass $3M but still stay manageable. We know what that would entail. Patience, gentlemen.

[Biodom]

OK last one -

I'm in on this😁😁
I'm betting 0.0005  that BTC will reach ATH before April.

Last one..

hahahahahaha.

Early bird gets the work, so to speak.  

 

Lol...it's 'early bird gets the worm'...albeit a bird still has to do some "work" to get it.
Hmmmm

[psycodad]

OK last one -

I'm in on this😁😁
I'm betting 0.0005  that BTC will reach ATH before April.

Last one..

hahahahahaha.

Early bird gets the work, so to speak.  

 

Lol...it's 'early bird gets the worm'...albeit a bird still has to do some "work" to get it.
Hmmmm

True, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

[Mia Chloe]

OK last one -

I'm in on this😁😁
I'm betting 0.0005  that BTC will reach ATH before April.

Last one..

hahahahahaha.

Early bird gets the work, so to speak.  

 

Lol...it's 'early bird gets the worm'...albeit a bird still has to do some "work" to get it.
Hmmmm

True, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Until it's mouse gum not a trap

[Biodom]

OK last one -

I'm in on this😁😁
I'm betting 0.0005  that BTC will reach ATH before April.

Last one..

hahahahahaha.

Early bird gets the work, so to speak.  

 

Lol...it's 'early bird gets the worm'...albeit a bird still has to do some "work" to get it.
Hmmmm

True, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

mice don't even like cheese too much...as one friendly mouse told me  ....they prefer bread, seeds, etc.
Re cheese...one may ask...is there cheese where mice usually live...like open fields, forests, etc?

[Mia Chloe]

OK last one -

I'm in on this😁😁
I'm betting 0.0005  that BTC will reach ATH before April.

Last one..

hahahahahaha.

Early bird gets the work, so to speak.  

 

Lol...it's 'early bird gets the worm'...albeit a bird still has to do some "work" to get it.
Hmmmm

True, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

mice don't even like the cheese too much...as one friendly mouse told me  ....they prefer bread, seeds, etc.
Re cheese...one may ask...is there cheese where mice usually live...like open fields, forests, etc?

Seems jerry lied to us the entire time 
Where I'm from they bait mice with protein
So I guess it's just a location based thing

[BitHodlers]

One more green day and the naysayers will start talking about the next ATH. Aren't you tired of being manipulated?