Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
Q4 torched by that orange retard.
The top might be in, hard to see us pumping significantly now. Stocks down, Bitcoin down more obviously. Zero strength here, pathetic. Tariff FUD lasted months last time so cycle possibly over.
Glad I sold some Friday @ 121k.
No more "dump before the pump"?
I would hate for the cycle to be over so soon.
I don't buy it.
I will bet you that we get $127k or higher before the end of the year and if not the end of the year before the end of the 1st quarter 2026.
I am not going to lock myself into thinking that the top of the cycle has to happen within this calendar year.
You want to bet?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Also, I will bet you that we will not reach below $80k prior to December 2027 (and we can also use $300k as another way to close such bet before the end of 2027).
Well a retreat to 118.6k and I grabbed some.
we are bouncing back to 119.1k
maybe I caught the bottom with the 118.6 buy
If I were Bob, I'd say my plums tell me differently. Being just me, I'll say it's my gut. I think we're revisiting some low numbers over the weekend while the dust settles.
Disclaimer: full SOMA.
got some 117.9 dip just now so you are right that 118.6 is not low enough
thank god for the copper and silver sales
I got some at $120k, some at $115.5k, some at $112.2k, some at $108.5k and some at $105.1k..
The last two were an overshoot by that exchange, so then I was supposed to sell the $108.5k and the $105.1k ones at $109k and $112k respectively - however, the price was shooting up to $114k while I was trying to place the sell orders, so I just sold one of them at $114.27k and the other at $114.17k.. .. so now everything is back in order with the next buys at $108.5k-ish and the next sells at $116.5k-ish.. so really 3 orders filled, but two additional orders on one of the exchanges due to an overrun... perhaps a fat thumb?
Well Trump’s ruined the bull market.
I may have missed it, but what happened?
If a single person can ruin the bull market, Bitcoin deserves it. So I refuse to believe this is possible.
A post raving against China being bigly baad, especially with export controls on rare earths, and yuuge anti-China tariffs coming. Wait, I'm fetching a link...
EDIT Here it is
https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1976664345435414918Yeah but my silver and copper will go up up up
You better not sell them, then.
Repeat your ongoing dumb.
Retail is absolutely missing as well.
This time it's different.
My rule in this game: If in doubt, hodl.
Most pathetic cycle so far for Bitcoin.
Not even 2x the last cycle high from 2021 of 69k.
Most pathetic is very subjective.
There are a lot of great things going on in bitcoin, and the 200-WMA is up from
$16,126 on October 11, 2021 to $53,662 today. That is a 3.33x appreciation in the bottom price, which seems quite amazing to this here cat... best investment that has been available for everyone and anyone, as long as such persons have a discretionary income and such person choose to invest rather than trade.
Of course, having at least a 4-10 year investment timeline is helpful too, and the longer investment timelines have had the benefits of compounding value, especially if we go back even further in the cycles.
Yeah, of course, you are anxious to sell.. but that may well be upon you failing/refusing to take profits along the way and putting too much emphasis of certain tops that you would like to reach with a certain timeline.
And, we already know that dee cornz is not exactly on a schedule, even though it sometimes might seem like it is on a schedule.
We were at 109k in January 2025 when Trump had his inauguration.
You know better than that.
We had a trump pump that went from $69k-ish to $109k-ish within about 2.5 months. That was nearly a 60% price increase in a short period of time.
We also had pretty much a move from $27k in October 2023 to $109k in January 2025 - that is right around 4x..
but yeah, maybe we have to go back to the 200-WMA in order to help to calm
"ourselves" the fuck down.
No?
You might deserve either a bat slapping, or the treatment from Airplane (the movie).
We are being vastly outperformed by Gold in 2025.
Who cares?
Gold is a dying relic.
zoom out.
Gold has not done shit in the past 15 years,.. and yeah, maybe it is not fair to measure gold from its earlier 2011 top, and so sure gold is a bit of a go-to asset at the moment.. yet bitcoin is around 1,000x better than gold.. so it may take some time for the market to figure it out.
This cycle is making me question my conviction going forward about uber long term holding.
You sound over invested.
I’m selling nothing else this year at these prices but long term, maybe the gains in Bitcoin we have been so lucky to have in the past are no longer a thing. Too much leverage trading and paper Bitcoin, maybe we are done.
Bitcoin is going up forever, yet at the same time, we have to expect some leveling off..
And, we have to also expect quite a bit of manipulation.
Volatility is not going away, and sure volatility can go in either direction, and sure UP is not guaranteed.
Clearly not dead, tick tock next block but to not even 2x from 2021 is weak.
I am very disappointed.
Oh gawd.
You do deserve to sell some, even though you seem to have enough sense to not be selling too much at these prices, yet why hang onto so much bitcoin, anyhow.
You likely have plenty of profits. You could probably sell 10% to 20% and not even be very phased, and you would get rid of some of your overinvestedness.
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Whether you save or you invest with whatever you sell is up to you. You likely have plenty of bitcoin, so why be greedy, especially if it is upsetting you so much.
You are overinvested.
Yep. We had a new ATH a mere 3 days ago, yet this is supposedly boring.
Doesn't make sense to me.
I don't celebrate every small ATH change. Do you?
Sure. I celebrate.
For the most part, many of us (perhaps royal?) have been having ongoing celebrations since late 2015. 2014 and 2015 were down and flat.. but by time we got to the end of 2015, the BTC price has been pretty much ongoingly UP since then.
Sure there have been some pauses along the way, but pretty much ongoing up since late 2015 when BTC prices were around $250... now BTC spot prices are right around 449x higher than what they were in late 2015.
Might as well look at the 200-WMA, too.
The
200-WMA was about $240 on October 11, 2015, so right now it is $53,662. So that is still right around 223.6x.. So either way, ongoing ATHs seem to be a thing, and yeah, they are still worthy of some level of excitement when they are continuing to happen, and likely not going to stop, either, even though we might experience some pausenings along the way, too.
US–China, tariffs, macro noise… whatever. Let’s stick to the tape:
~5× from ~$15k (Dec ’22) to ~$75k (Mar ’24).
~–30% pullback to ~$50k.
Then roughly ~2.5× since… but still no convincing expansion.
We’re now in Q4. It’s hard to see a clean 2× from the 2021 ATH (which was already underwhelming in fiat terms) without a decisive move soon.
I’m not trying to be a bear. But if you still believe in the current cycle (even shifted slightly into Q1 ’26), the higher-probability path might be more “new ATHs for ants” than a true hot green dildos ATH.
Let’s not be greedy or stubborn. If you want to avoid –50%/–60% drawdowns, you may need to rotate/hedge/take profits and be ready for another disappointing top unless the market reacts decisively this quarter.
ETH/alt market is still mostly underwater (not the topic of this thread, but worth noting).
Faith is there; pragmatism says the breaking point isn’t far. We’re already mid-October.
Not financial advice. Curious to hear the best bull counter-case.
There is no need for any kind of better bull counter-case, since you are free to do whatever the fuck you want, including taking some off of the table if you were expecting more, then you might not get it.
But then again, many of us already know that there are gloomy periods while bitcoin is performing quite greatly.
I recall a lot of doomer and gloomers throughout 2017 even though BTC prices went up quite greatly in that year, and even the correction did not bring us down to the lows that a lot of folks ( took their profits).
Even though you are a bit whiny, I almost sent you an smerit for laying out the "this is not enough" whiner case,. which is neither new for you or for some of the other whiners who "expected more" from dee cornz... .. but then as I was typing my response, I thought? Why reward the whiner?
wah, wah, wah.. give me my pacifier. we have had a so far 13% correction from our top from 5 days ago.. the world is ending, the world is ending... and the top is in... . wah wah wah.
At times, whining can be a bit contagious.
Quality post if I have ever seen one.
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