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buy 1000$ at 103K Wink
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Here’s a chart I found on the interwebz. The four year cycle folks (like myself) have to be searching for the exits. Now might not be the right time, but time is running out quickly to sell above $100K if you ask me. I don’t think we’ll see $118K again for a few years. As always, I’d love to be wrong.



So how deep is the bear? Wick below 30k in 12-14mo before reversal?

I think it is too soon to start calling bottoms. The number I’m throwing out now is $60K, but $40K wouldn’t surprise me. There is no major support until $76K… Rather than worrying about how low we are going to go in the next cycle, it would be wise to start reducing exposure on the peaks. The risk/reward has clearly shifted and I’m seeing a lot of denial out there. Never sell all your BTC, but make sure if you do sell any, it is at cycle peaks, e.g. 2013,2017,2021,2025,2029, etc. You don’t have to sell now, but make sure you aren’t the guy selling at $50K in 14 months.


og watch out Japan is sending troops to your place due to the bear attacks.


I want to laugh at how silly you predictions will look in a few months.


So to start off ha ha ha .
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4-year Cycle Rules

  • Bear low does not violate prior ATH
  • Previous ATH is not exceeded until after halving
  • Q4 of year following halving yields parabolic* ATH
  • Subsequent 12-24 month bear market, 78+% drawdown


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Here’s a chart I found on the interwebz. The four year cycle folks (like myself) have to be searching for the exits. Now might not be the right time, but time is running out quickly to sell above $100K if you ask me. I don’t think we’ll see $118K again for a few years. As always, I’d love to be wrong.



So how deep is the bear? Wick below 30k in 12-14mo before reversal?

I think it is too soon to start calling bottoms. The number I’m throwing out now is $60K, but $40K wouldn’t surprise me. There is no major support until $76K… Rather than worrying about how low we are going to go in the next cycle, it would be wise to start reducing exposure on the peaks. The risk/reward has clearly shifted and I’m seeing a lot of denial out there. Never sell all your BTC, but make sure if you do sell any, it is at cycle peaks, e.g. 2013,2017,2021,2025,2029, etc. You don’t have to sell now, but make sure you aren’t the guy selling at $50K in 14 months.

50 to 70% drawdown seems quite mild. Then again, it's probably realistic if the multi-year high was/is/will-be a weak ass 126k
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who bought up that fancy flavored ramen a few days back

big brain move - eating like a king now

Im water maxxing. No need for fancy expensive ramen.

Water? Fish fornicate in it. There are much better beverages. Also screw the ramen.



Buy when you can, sell only when you absolutely must. Ignore the price.

Enjoy life.

Fatty Wagyu is not my thing I must admit. It's just too much fat. They have even marbled Wagyu that's more white than red.
I like lean red filet cut in thick slices but that's rather rare in Japan.

But what am I dreaming of, I cannot even afford eggs for my cup ramen anymore...


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who bought up that fancy flavored ramen a few days back

big brain move - eating like a king now

Im water maxxing. No need for fancy expensive ramen.

Water? Fish fornicate in it. There are much better beverages. Also screw the ramen.



Buy when you can, sell only when you absolutely must. Ignore the price.

Enjoy life.

Fatty Wagyu is not my thing I must admit. It's just too much fat. They have even marbled Wagyu that's more white than red.
I like lean red filet cut in thick slices but that's rather rare in Japan.

But what am I dreaming of, I cannot even afford eggs for my cup ramen anymore...

Never tried this, nor have I seen it sold anywhere as far as I can remember...

I wonder, is this natural, or are the animals intentionally fattened by the farmers, specifically to make meat like this?

Edit: I Googled "Wagyu" and found it's a special Japanese breed of cattle known for producing highly marbled, tender, and flavorful beef. Nice. Will look for it next time I'm out shopping.
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Never tried this, nor have I seen it sold anywhere as far as I can remember...

I wonder, is this natural, or are the animals intentionally fattened by the farmers, specifically to make meat like this?

Edit: I Googled "Wagyu" and found it's a special Japanese breed of cattle known for producing highly marbled, tender, and flavorful beef. Nice. Will look for it next time I'm out shopping.
After the Wagyu experiment, the next one to try would be Kobe which is even more expensive. As long as it is made properly the differences between these and other meat is very noticeable. Enjoy.
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After the Wagyu experiment, the next one to try would be Kobe which is even more expensive. As long as it is made properly the differences between these and other meat is very noticeable. Enjoy.

Kobe beef is just wagyu from a particular place using particular farming methods.

The image I used in my second post on the subject was of Matsusaka wagyu, perhaps the finest beef in the world.

Matsusaki Wagyu ribeye

I've seen images of Matsusaki beef with higher levels of intramuscular fat (high in omega-3) but I just did a quick google of Matsusaki ribeye to compare it to the non-wagyu I used in my first post.

Non-wagyu ribeye

The non-wagyu has only moderate marbling and is barely steakhouse quality.

The reason why so much of the so-called "Wagyu" sold in North America is so low quality is that it was intentionally crossbred with leaner breeds like Aberdeen Angus because marketing people deemed pure Wagyu to be "too white" for American consumers. Also Wagyu/Angus crossbreeds are cheaper and faster to produce.
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Never tried this, nor have I seen it sold anywhere as far as I can remember...

I wonder, is this natural, or are the animals intentionally fattened by the farmers, specifically to make meat like this?

Edit: I Googled "Wagyu" and found it's a special Japanese breed of cattle known for producing highly marbled, tender, and flavorful beef. Nice. Will look for it next time I'm out shopping.
After the Wagyu experiment, the next one to try would be Kobe which is even more expensive. As long as it is made properly the differences between these and other meat is very noticeable. Enjoy.

A lot of Americans think Wagyu beef imported from Japan tastes terrible compared to U.S. beef for filet mignon or NY strip. I certainly don't care for Wagyu, myself...

I have also tried Kobe Beef and did not think much of it...


Below is a link to an interesting video - a 400 day dry aged Wagyu steak.


https://youtu.be/3s4tvVS9VO0
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Never tried this, nor have I seen it sold anywhere as far as I can remember...

I wonder, is this natural, or are the animals intentionally fattened by the farmers, specifically to make meat like this?

Edit: I Googled "Wagyu" and found it's a special Japanese breed of cattle known for producing highly marbled, tender, and flavorful beef. Nice. Will look for it next time I'm out shopping.

Try Chianina, if you are able to get it. Especially the piece from the back ("bistecca alla fiorentina" - maybe ask Fillippone)  Wink
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A lot of Americans think Wagyu beef imported from Japan tastes terrible compared to U.S. beef for filet mignon or NY strip. I certainly don't care for Wagyu, myself...

Filet Mignon? NY strip? You should consider moving up to the better cuts like ribeye or flatiron (infraspinatus muscle cut from the top blade).

While most steak aficionados consider ribeye to be the best cut, the flatiron is almost as tender as filet mignon (it's the second tenderest muscle in the beef steer) and has a deep beefy taste. It's also less expensive than ribeye, striploin or tenderloin.
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It seems a bit ridiculous to even proclaim $30k is in the cards.

I strongly agree with you on this.  It's not impossible, and it would actually be close to fitting the metrics of the old school cycle bear winter -- in the neighborhood of a 75% draw down from what would have certainly been the all time high in this fantastic scenario.

But this definitely touches on my perennial "this time is different" theory about where we are now. I just don't see a 75% drawdown happening.

I would be willing to place up to a 100,000 Satoshi bet on this, with someone who thinks we do touch 30, as long as we define the timeframes and such, clearly.


There are several of us in bitcoin (who participate in this thread) (including but not limited to yours truly) who consider ourselves to be fairly conservative with our money...

Comically true in my case.  I was just thinking this morning about figuring out ways to spend more money so that I don't end up leaving my kids so much. Lol.  My financial security has certainly changed over the last 15 years, but my lifestyle hasn't moved an inch.  I was a starving musician for part of that and a well-paid IT worker for another part. I've always lived the same.  I suppose some people will make a point of pride out of that. And I don't really. It's just a matter of preference.

I have an old client from the days I ran the studio who's also a friend and he is exact opposite of me constantly borrowing, spending, spending, borrowing. Money is like water through his hands and he's always right on the verge of bankruptcy.  But he lives a lavish lifestyle before he was married. He drove a Hummer and lived at the top of some swanky high-rise in my town. 

A part of me admires his way of handling money.


By the way, I don't buy the OG's dumping bullshit.

Sure they might be selling some, but I really doubt that they are selling as much as the various anecdotal proclamations about their supposed selling.

Supposedly there is data to support such theory about OGs supposedly dumping.. yet so far I am not convinced.


So this narrative, which seems to have sprung up very quickly and recently, has been very interesting to me.  I think for sure so-called OGs are selling. I think I would be the poster boy for this case.  Some people claim to have diamond hands. I believe I deserve to claim that I have hands that are foolish in their firmness forged in the heart of the sun. Lol.  And yet I am currently funding my very simple lifestyle entirely with my stack.

And my basic point is if I am drawing down for the purpose of just living my life, then certainly many, many others who have been here for ten plus years are doing the same.

Then the questions become, are there enough people unwinding the way I might, sort of along the lines of your simple savings thingamadoodgy (though my approach probably is more conservative than the mass of your very reasonable plans.) to exert meaningful downward pressure on the price.

And then secondly are some of the mega whales selling gigantic lots of Bitcoin into the market one way or another?  Talking here about at least 9 figure USD Sales.

So to the second point, I would think large sales in the realm of thousands of coins would almost always be executed on OTC markets.  So in a way, I would not expect these sales to have the same kind of downward pressure, in a sense, than direct sales on exchanges.  Not that they would not have an effect on price, but that it would be distorted by the fact that it would be a second and third order type of thing.

But to the first scenario where you have people selling just what they need to buy their top ramen, a nice anniversary dinner for their wife and pay the bills and go on the occasional family vacation. I suppose you could assume sales of somewhere in between a half and a full Bitcoin each year from these type people at current price levels.

So then the question becomes, how many of them need there be to push the market down?

And here's the stinger, I think. As long as retail is not buying Bitcoin en mass, then you would only need a few thousand of these types of people to make a significant impact, I would think.

Either way, I do not think this is a situation that has legs. It can't last very long. There are more buyers than sellers. I just think we see a price distortions based on who is using the exchanges.

But my question for you, my wordy brother, is if the OG selling narrative is not primary or even significant in the price action, what do you think is exactly?
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