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I continued my search, and it looks like about US 1% of the population works for minimum wage. But I assume that's mostly in sectors where tipping is mandatory, and that can easily add up to more than the wage itself. I can't say I'm a fan of this system though, it favours corporations instead of individuals.
Forgot about the tipping culture. I hate that about the US, I never know what is acceptable.
20% always with exceptions
Order at counter food/pick up/delivery 15%

I always do 25+% for haircuts
Fixed amounts for certain situations mostly travel related, valet room cleaning butler type duties etc

$5 dirty fiat in the us/1st world countries and 10$ everywhere else.

Trolley dollies 5$ starbs gift cards

You are more generous than me.  I tend to do 15%, and yeah of course, exceptions.. and only where some extra service was rendered.

I also get irritated where tips are imposed (included in the bill), and even various countries have ambiguous taxing and tips in their systems, and in the tourist area they expect tips more and even in non-touriset areas it seems more tips are expected if you are seen as a foreigner...so other places have problems too, that have likely been corrupted by American tipping culture.

I have had cases where I look at the bill and it shows a tax and a tip. and they don't always call it a tax, but if you know the area that you are traveling, then you might come to realize what the bills mean, yet at the same time, the merchants are not honest and then the employee will sometimes say that the employer does not share the tip or will say that the tip is for something else (like the kitchen staff and not the waiting staff).. so it can become confusing... and sometimes it can be confusing what to do.. or to figure some kind of a level that works.. There are problems with paying with a credit card versus paying in cash, and yeah of course, most places prefer cash, but at the same time, it can be problematic to travel with a lot of cash.. and going to get cashed exchanged can be inconvenient too.. which surely bitcoin could come in handy for some of these travel matters... but it is not too common to find places that accept bitcoin.. and  even with the exchanges and the ATMs the fees are sometimes outrageous.. I don't mind 3% to 5%, but the fees are frequently greater than 8%, which I find irritating.. not because I cannot afford it, but just out of the principle of the matter.

20% always with exceptions
Order at counter food/pick up/delivery 15%
I always do 25+% for haircuts
Fixed amounts for certain situations mostly travel related, valet room cleaning butler type duties etc
$5 dirty fiat in the us/1st world countries and 10$ everywhere else.
Trolley dollies 5$ starbs gift cards
But why? Why tip for food but not for groceries? Why tip a restaurant but not a nurse? I'm not used to the American "tipping culture", and to me it looks a lot like a trick to have lower advertised prices, while you still pay more. I can't imagine demanding an additional payment every few minutes when I'm at work, but apparently that's completely normal in some sectors.

Some kinds of employment it is against the rules to accept tips... health care and governmental service, for example.. .even though each of those sectors have its own problems and/or issues.

I continued my search, and it looks like about US 1% of the population works for minimum wage. But I assume that's mostly in sectors where tipping is mandatory, and that can easily add up to more than the wage itself. I can't say I'm a fan of this system though, it favours corporations instead of individuals.
Forgot about the tipping culture. I hate that about the US, I never know what is acceptable.
20% always with exceptions
Order at counter food/pick up/delivery 15%

I always do 25+% for haircuts
Fixed amounts for certain situations mostly travel related, valet room cleaning butler type duties etc

$5 dirty fiat in the us/1st world countries and 10$ everywhere else.
Trolley dollies 5$ starbs gift cards
15% at the counter and 20% for full service? So you're paying just 5% for someone to come to you, greet you, take your order at your table, bring food to you, come to you to follow up, and clean everything for you without you having to even stand up. wtf is 15% then for, for the girl just to punch in your order at the counter?

It seems that tips are meant for extra services not just normal services, so I don't usually put tips in tip jars.. even though sure every once in a while there might be some sense that it might be nice to leave a tip in that jar.

So yeah coming to the table is a bit more of extra services, even though surely maybe it would be more straight-forward if the employer were to just pay for all of that, which is why we consider it a cultural matter that is reinforced by different kinds of laws that relate to tip employees as compared with other kinds of employees.  There are a lot of confusing things in this world, but also can be considered interesting things, too, even if there can be some frustration and even if sometimes there can be confrontations when cultural differences exist, yet it might not be clear how to interact..

I have fucked up plenty of times, and  then I sometimes will try to make adjustments into the future, yet even my adjustments do not stop me from getting into trouble in some other kind of way... like asking to clarify.. or maybe confronting about this, that or anther thing.. and sometimes language barriers too and difficulties to admit if you might or might not understand.

(Don't pay too much attention to me; you know I've been out of the market for a while.)

Yep.. I have some memories when you were selling way too much too soon (likely in the late 201 time frame and/or maybe even into 2019 (and maybe even around the mindrust times.. which would have been around March 2020)...

In retrospect, those were times that any of us should have had been buying or at least just holding through it all, to the extent that we would have had been able to... so there sometimes can be difficult times that any of us might enter into that contribute to either our selling of BTC too soon or not being able to continue to stack when we should be stacking..

As long as demand for Bitcoin remains low the price will struggle. OGs sold a lot that was bought low for a profit. We need the buying demand from institutional, public and private companies, and governments to increase. Sour macroeconomics is playing a big part of the decay...       

Why are you proclaiming that "we need" these things?

You sound like a shitcoiner.

Remember the good ole days (and not even that long ago), shitcoiners frequently like to say that bitcoin needs shitcoins other wise bitcoin is nothing.

Bitcoin is the dog not the tail.  You seem to be mixing up the dog and the tail, especially since the tail does not wag the dog, at least not the last time that I checked.

I continued my search, and it looks like about US 1% of the population works for minimum wage. But I assume that's mostly in sectors where tipping is mandatory, and that can easily add up to more than the wage itself. I can't say I'm a fan of this system though, it favours corporations instead of individuals.
Forgot about the tipping culture. I hate that about the US, I never know what is acceptable.
In Japan, waiters and waitresses feel awkward about accepting tips. It's totally not a thing.
I’ve given a few Japanese waitresses the tip and they seemed appreciative. Cheesy

Were you in Japan at the time?

There are a LOT of well-known people in the world of finance that have promoted Bitcoin as an extremely promising investment that will now need to defend their words after a 30% drop in the price of BTC in just 5 weeks.   

That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

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That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed. 
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.
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There are a LOT of well-known people in the world of finance that have promoted Bitcoin as an extremely promising investment that will now need to defend their words after a 30% drop in the price of BTC in just 5 weeks.   
That is not true.
Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..
Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

Fuck you, wordyman! No feeding the trolls!
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That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed. 
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.
I have learnt a lot visiting here especially how you guys find a way to catch fun when the market is nosediving instead of panicking. Unlike Twitter (X) and some Telegram groups where people cry, some narrating their losses in coins they invested in and some regretting why they did not sell their Bitcoin and wait to buy again. Does it mean that members here don't cry when the market is dropping or some cry in secret? I'm still early in Bitcoin and have not bought much so I have no reason to cry since I don't even want to sell now, but it feels good seeing my investment in profits.
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That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed.  
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.
I have learnt a lot visiting here especially how you guys find a way to catch fun when the market is nosediving instead of panicking. Unlike Twitter (X) and some Telegram groups where people cry, some narrating their losses in coins they invested in and some regretting why they did not sell their Bitcoin and wait to buy again. Does it mean that members here don't cry when the market is dropping or some cry in secret? I'm still early in Bitcoin and have not bought much so I have no reason to cry since I don't even want to sell now, but it feels good seeing my investment in profits.

IDK, i never was on any Telegram group and i pretty much abandoned twitter. Twitter is for fakes, it seems.
The thing is: If you worked out Bitcoin, you can make a plan and just enjoy it working out.
No distractions, just cut out the noise.

...
That is not true.
Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..
Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

Fuck you, wordyman! No feeding the trolls!

No quoting the trolls  Tongue
Life got so much easier on this board the day i finally started using the ign0re list, though it's only (this exact) one member on it.
Especially if you have impulse control issues.

EDIT: It might be the micro-dosed Muscimol, which i actually consider being a gift. #nomedicaladvice
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77k would be nice can easily dubble my sats

the lower the better,

Holy shit.

You have been registered on this forum since April 2013, and you are still hoping for dips for the purported reason to buy more sats?

That is pretty pathetic.. You have been doing something wrong - which I suspect to be trading rather than buying and HODLing..

You are not the only one distracted by tryng to trade the best asset known to man.. and it would not be easy to help you to help yourself in changing your destructive and perhaps lack of focus kind of an approach to dee cornz.

77k would be nice can easily dubble my sats

the lower the better,
This figure $77K is going to be blessing for good start in this journey because I was not expecting price range like this in near future.

The best thing for newbies is to just get started buying bitcoin right away. Don't get distracted by price.  Just work on accumulating for one or two full cycles and then reassess from time to time the extent to which you might need to adjust your strategies.

You gotta try to learn and have common sense, and try to rid yourself of your seemingly desires to trade (gamble) rather than invest... and so yeah, however, you approach bitcoin,  it is your choice, and you are responsible for whatever actions you decide to take, if any.

Well I finally am back to a coin took quite a while.

next step is get 2 coins.

Oh gawd philip.


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One of the last coiner phrases from mindrust related to his finally getting to 10 coins, and that was at around $4,500... maybe $5,500.. since he sold all of them at around $4,500.

That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed. 
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.

Some guys, their knowledge (and common sense) precedes them... perhaps meaning that if they might have had such attributes earlier, they no longer have such attributes.

There are a LOT of well-known people in the world of finance that have promoted Bitcoin as an extremely promising investment that will now need to defend their words after a 30% drop in the price of BTC in just 5 weeks.   
That is not true.
Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..
Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.
Fuck you, wordyman! No feeding the trolls!

Thanks for remembering my day.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

 Tongue

Actually uie pooie and the latest troll wannabe have something in common. 

Think about it.  WO trivia of the day..    Cry

That is not true.
Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed.  
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.
I have learnt a lot visiting here especially how you guys find a way to catch fun when the market is nosediving instead of panicking. Unlike Twitter (X) and some Telegram groups where people cry, some narrating their losses in coins they invested in

hahahahahaha

We had some bragging criers earlier in the drop.. in the last few weeks.. crying their lil asses off, merely a few days after the October 6 ATH..

Now we are more than 6 weeks into this whole dippening matter.  Perhaps guys are getting used to it, yet if it keeps going, there will be more cryingl. perhaps even yours truly could use a wee bit of crying.. .It might help.

and some regretting why they did not sell their Bitcoin and wait to buy again.

That is always true. Almost everyone who reaches decently hight quantity of coin will have some regrets about not skimming some off at various points oin the way up, yet they (we) might not realize their (our) regret until our stash has been reduced by 15%, 20%, 25% or more.

So if the BTC price had already dropped 15%, 20%, 25% or more, the calculation for skimming a bit off the top seems to NOT make sense anymore, even if guys might sometimes resort to a course of action that does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense, from an objective perspective.

Many of us cannot be completely objective about dee cornz anyhow since we likely spent a good amount of time accumulating and/or holding it. .which also reflects a differing perspective from a low coiner, no coiners, bitcoin naysayer, fence sitter, shitcoiner and some other categories of those how are against bitcoin going up in price.

Joining in is probably better than trying to study us, since if you try to study us, you will likely get some backlash as a couple of the latest thread trolls have found out.

Does it mean that members here don't cry when the market is dropping or some cry in secret?

For sure, not everything is disclosed.  Some actual happenings can be uncomfortable while they are happening.

Also some guys contribute to their own stress, and they don't always say what contributed to their stress while it is happening.  Those are not comfortable conversations, yet this thread has been running for quite a bit of time (more than 12.5 years, so quite a bit has happened in the past 12.5 years).

I'm still early in Bitcoin and have not bought much so I have no reason to cry since I don't even want to sell now, but it feels good seeing my investment in profits.

Part of the way to expierence bitcoin as a coiner rather than as a no coiner (or a low coiner) is to spend some time building your bitcoin holdings... so then you can personally experience what it is like to hold a decent amount of value in bitcoin while it drops extensively in value.. .It does not tend to feel good, even though some guys have prepared their finances and their psychology better than other guys.

Of course, how you prepare may well relate to your various personal factors, yet also relates to what stage of your bitcoin journey you are in... accumulation, maintenance or liquidation or some variation of in-between... or all at once?

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IDK, i never was on any Telegram group and i pretty much abandoned twitter. Twitter is for fakes, it seems.
The thing is: If you worked out Bitcoin, you can make a plan and just enjoy it working out.
No distractions, just cut out the noise.

That is another angle of bitcoin, if we have mostly been in bitcoin for a while and we mostly errored on the side of accumulation and/or HODL, then we are likely still in pretty good shape financially, even if there had happened to have had been a wee bit of a 30% drop in price.
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Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
30% drop in price couldn't be enough to assume Bitcoin is on a bear trend.
I have seen arguable conversations about Bitcoin going down more but interest should not be on the price but on future benefits.
What do you think about the current market?


That is not true.

Bitcoin continues to be a strong and promising investing, even if there has been a short term price drop of 30%..

Zoom out a wee bit to help ur lil selfie to assess dee cornz a wee bit better, if you don't know dee cornz very well.

 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

30% drop =  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Every (real) WO should read the fear/greed index reversed. 
Most newbies came here to learn, but some refused.
Their own fault, imo.
Learning is significant to knowledge acquisition. Flexibility still matters when relating to others opinions.
I gat everything you have passed here. Learning to get informed
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I am hungry.  For more more more.

Sooo here is my breakfast and my wife's

6 jumbo eggs
4 oz of egg whites
4 cheese:  swiss goat romano and ricotta
some fresh pork from last night
some biltong
some salami
5 vegs: bell peppers, onions ,carrots, broccoli and cauliflower
some marinara sauce
lastly some red tomatoes

will put it on buttered whole wheat toast.





still stacking coins

Good to see you cutting carbs.



This was caused by all the people who said you will never be able to buy coins under 90,000 again...... just yesterday.

We will never see <$90k (again).

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77k would be nice can easily dubble my sats

the lower the better,


Your account is from early 2013. You must have an incredibly well paying job, congrats.
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Well let's say the avg wage in USA is 10$/hour

It takes around 1250 working days to make enough at this exchange rate.

So..it's not really an impossible thing to get 1 BTC in 2030.

Enjoy working. Fuck politics and listen to Motorhead, then you ll be alright.
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My dear man, i was just making a wild guess. I am not talking about people who ride limosines and stuff. I am speaking for people who work on diners or delivery agents, dudes who enjoy black love. After the Sept event, we saw exponential increase in reachability to people who are new to tech. Especially remote places. I moved to one of those places.

The fundamental difference i observed between them and those who flex BTC wallets is simple. The people near me sleep peacefully without use of pills.

I guess it is a better idea to start some startup business. Even a lemonade stall can make 20$ in a fair which costs 5$ for production.

It is also important for newbies to learn about storing funds safely and not on exchange. Exchange is just to convert.
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September 19, 2024 bitcoin price $62k

Sweet dreams, dreams are definitely sex dreams

February 07, 2025 bitcoin price $97k

I passed the $100k moment  Cheesy

I think we need a longer dream. Let's dream Grin
We'd better go back to sleep  Cheesy. Buy when the price is low, then forget about it.
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I continued my search, and it looks like about US 1% of the population works for minimum wage. But I assume that's mostly in sectors where tipping is mandatory, and that can easily add up to more than the wage itself. I can't say I'm a fan of this system though, it favours corporations instead of individuals.

Forgot about the tipping culture. I hate that about the US, I never know what is acceptable.

20% always with exceptions

Order at counter food/pick up/delivery 15%

I always do 25+% for haircuts

Fixed amounts for certain situations mostly travel related, valet room cleaning butler type duties etc

$5 dirty fiat in the us/1st world countries and 10$ everywhere else.

Trolley dollies 5$ starbs gift cards

15% at the counter and 20% for full service? So you're paying just 5% for someone to come to you, greet you, take your order at your table, bring food to you, come to you to follow up, and clean everything for you without you having to even stand up. wtf is 15% then for, for the girl just to punch in your order at the counter?

If I’m sitting down to eat im probably having more than one course, maybe some alcoholic beverages etc so the 20% of a larger number than an at a counter number is representative of that service when at a table

On the flip The tip at the counter bit, that’s usually split between the teller, the kitchen, the dishwasher etc etc, the amount is less than at a table since I can only carry so much.

If you have a fairer way of doing this I’m all ears!

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