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July 23, 2013, 01:24:39 AM |
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Bitstamp currently 87% of the way to overtaking mtgox as the largest USD market. Hopefully the thread title can be changed soon.
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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Walsoraj
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July 23, 2013, 01:38:00 AM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
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July 23, 2013, 01:45:05 AM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
I feel safe buying coins there and withdrawing them, also, I had to submit proof of residence and government ID anyway |
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July 23, 2013, 03:54:59 AM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
You! Get away! Don't spread FUD! You are supposed to be bullish!  |
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July 23, 2013, 04:38:57 AM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
They are under European laws. They don't have a bank account in the US like Mtgox did. Did I miss something? Is every European company that accepts wire transfers from the US supposed to get licensed as a US money transmitter now? That sounds absurd. |
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July 23, 2013, 05:13:38 AM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
Reading this kind of comment, it becomes so clear how some govt agencies are indistinguishable from mafia protection rackets. |
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July 23, 2013, 11:16:51 AM |
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WTF Bitstamp $85, mtgox $94?
Seems like the withdrawal problems are far from over at mtgox.
I also did not receive my EUR withdrawal yet ordered weeks ago, eventhough I did not use SEPA but 'international transfer'.
These difference in prices show the seriousness of the problem right?
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July 23, 2013, 12:53:00 PM |
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You guys feel safe using Bitstamp when it is not even seeking Fincen compliance?
They are under European laws. They don't have a bank account in the US like Mtgox did. Did I miss something? Is every European company that accepts wire transfers from the US supposed to get licensed as a US money transmitter now? That sounds absurd. +1 this  Bitstamp currently 87% of the way to overtaking mtgox as the largest USD market. Hopefully the thread title can be changed soon.
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July 23, 2013, 12:58:02 PM |
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Haha you are already speaking of mtgox in the past tense? |
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Walsoraj
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July 23, 2013, 03:19:58 PM |
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If Bitstamp is doing business in the US, is it not subject to laws there, including FINCEN?
Does not using a bank in the US = not doing business in the US?
If a business is physically located on foreign land but is offering services to US citizens, is it not doing business in the US? Especially if a significant percent-maybe even most in Bitstamp's case-of its customers are located in the US?
Perhaps a forum-lawyer can jump in and help us with these questions.
I paid big monies to a US lawyer who advised both Bitstamp and BTCe are knowingly reaching into the States w/ services and therefore subject to the laws there. I forget the caselaw he mentioned, but there is a well-known case re: foreign entities being subject to jurisdiction. Maybe forum-lawyers can let us know?
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July 23, 2013, 03:57:27 PM |
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by that logic each business have to follow the rules from customer home country, so you can have 200 legislation to follow
i wonder if sharia(iran, Saudi arabia) law also apply in here not just US law
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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Walsoraj
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July 23, 2013, 04:03:22 PM |
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by that logic each business have to follow the rules from customer home country, so you can have 200 legislation to follow
i wonder if sharia(iran, Saudi arabia) law also apply in here not just US law
I don't follow ur logic. A business does not automatically offer services to the entire world. In fact, if Bitstamp is collecting info re citizenship, it should be very easy for it to deny serving customers in whichever countries it wishes. Also, incidentally/accidentally offering services vs knowingly/intentionally are key when determining jurisdiction. Dummy. |
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July 23, 2013, 04:09:34 PM |
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by that logic each business have to follow the rules from customer home country, so you can have 200 legislation to follow
i wonder if sharia(iran, Saudi arabia) law also apply in here not just US law
I don't follow ur logic. A business does not automatically offer services to the entire world. In fact, if Bitstamp is collecting info re citizenship, it should be very easy for it to deny serving customers in whichever countries it wishes. Also, incidentally/accidentally offering services vs knowingly/intentionally are key when determining jurisdiction. Dummy. when i open a account there they did no ask me for any documents |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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July 23, 2013, 04:10:40 PM |
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by that logic each business have to follow the rules from customer home country, so you can have 200 legislation to follow
i wonder if sharia(iran, Saudi arabia) law also apply in here not just US law
I don't follow ur logic. A business does not automatically offer services to the entire world. In fact, if Bitstamp is collecting info re citizenship, it should be very easy for it to deny serving customers in whichever countries it wishes. Also, incidentally/accidentally offering services vs knowingly/intentionally are key when determining jurisdiction. Dummy. when i open a account there they did no ask me for any documents That's not a good thing. |
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July 23, 2013, 04:19:39 PM |
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well, when i created an account there, I could deposit and withdraw bitcoins, but if i deposited fiat, then i had to submit my proof of residence and ID, to which they verified within the day
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July 23, 2013, 04:25:31 PM |
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That's not a good thing.
my country dont require to provide any |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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July 23, 2013, 09:23:48 PM |
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so if a foreign bank, like an off shore account in Switzerland has most of its business with USA citizens then it has to comply with the us laws? no way, that is the point of having an offshore account so that the US cannot touch it and is not applicable to the laws here in the states. "but that is a bank and not an on line business" hum well I think that that bank has a web page that you can move money around. Now Im not 100% sure because I do not have money in an off shore bank account, but you are telling me that i should not trust that bank because it is not in compliance with FINCEN? nor should most million/billion airs
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July 28, 2013, 06:45:51 PM |
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still holding at 8 usd below gox. stamp should step it up and get equal, its killen my sell on coinbase. then again it is helping keep the buy low and i could get some some what cheep coins if we are on a up trend.
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July 30, 2013, 09:03:11 AM |
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Bitstamp now has $1.22M in bids on the books. I think a few days ago it was around $900K, does anyone else remember? That is a decent sized increase (altho still nothing compared to the $13M at mtgox)
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July 30, 2013, 10:34:04 PM |
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wow i have never seen more then this much in the seperation of prices vs mt gox. double digit separation in price comparison. a bit over 10 dollars. at least it was when i check a bit ago. wow all back to that arbitrage discution. if there was a way you could buy btc on stamp and sell on gox ten a coin you would make. but then the whole thing with not getting your money out of gox. still its nice to dream. take a hundred coins and do this, thousand dollars just like that. haha of corse the fees of this and the fees of that you would not make that much. but i think with ten dollars in difference you could deff make a little right?
anyways i thought it was interesting how cheepthey are over here at bitstamp vs gox. good if buying bad if selling. best to move to coinbase and get more bang for your....coin?
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