jbreher
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lose: unfind ... loose: untight
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May 31, 2018, 02:25:12 PM |
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add matonis to that list of scammers^
I was't aware that Matonis was considered a scammer. How has he stolen, and from whom has he stolen? |
Anyone with a campaign ad in their signature -- for an organization with which they are not otherwise affiliated -- is automatically deducted credibility points.
I've been convicted of heresy. Convicted by a mere known extortionist. Read my Trust for details.
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Marlo Stanfield
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May 31, 2018, 03:09:13 PM |
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add matonis to that list of scammers^
I was't aware that Matonis was considered a scammer. How has he stolen, and from whom has he stolen? I have no idea what his current situation is, but he was definitely all-in on supporting the scammer/imposter Craig Wright. Now personally, I think he's probably more of a victim than a scammer himself. Especially during the early period. But at some point if time goes on and he doesn't own up to the mistake and denounce Craig, then someone could probably make a decent argument to label him something like a 'scammer' or similar. |
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Last of the V8s
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May 31, 2018, 04:44:07 PM |
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add matonis to that list of scammers^
I was't aware that Matonis was considered a scammer. How has he stolen, and from whom has he stolen? yeah i should've used the word 'scumbag', as did QA. matonis was right there with the bitcoin foundation scam. Then there is also the CSW nonsense. Not to be trusted, any of them. |
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JollyGood
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June 03, 2018, 01:50:17 PM |
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yeah i should've used the word 'scumbag', as did QA. matonis was right there with the bitcoin foundation scam.
Then there is also the CSW nonsense. Not to be trusted, any of them. Ver has made many mistakes, quite sad really. He advocated all was well at MtGox and made that infamous video about it. He also created Bitcoin Cash and then caused confusion because of his bitcoin.com domain name. The Bitcoin Foundation was a pathetic failure run by people who seeked to boost their own ego rather than do anything else. |
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MUSFIKAR
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June 03, 2018, 02:10:04 PM |
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Yes, this sums up your feelings very well about the rumored Bitcoin, 301k that threatens the cheap price. Ver Logger may have a stack of coins, but there must be more initial users who want to store BTC rather than forkcoin. 301 initial users with 1k each can exit-discard Ver. Especially considering BTU order book will be very thin come day, with a much lower price to boot. You want to know who gave up. If Mr. Ver does not take it, the topic will give him bad publicity. However, if you have the option to choose the same cash prize in BU and Bitcoin you will choose Bitcoin in an instant. BU still has a long way to go.
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Danlopz
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June 03, 2018, 09:12:24 PM |
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If youre Roger though there is no risk because BTU coin and a fork will happen, right? Personally the only thing I hope to see tomorrow is the sun again.
You can already speculate on BTU coins if it becomes available for a price below BTC so 1 for 1 trade. Very silly atm no one can not even a fool would take the deal. There is no way you will do with this deal, you will lose any power that is in the core chain. |
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Yoyo chan
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June 05, 2018, 08:09:46 AM |
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Maybe he's being censored, maybe he's not. But the accusations probably aren't completely false and newcomers need to have the FULL DECENTRALIZED STORY. Maybe core has the better developers, who knows? Is segwit tougher to code than BU? It's all fucking nonsense because not making the correct decision for Bitcoin is scary shit. That's why I tend to side with the least riskier core implementation, but BU doesn't sound terrible.
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JollyGood
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June 05, 2018, 09:57:14 AM |
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Bitcoin is Bitcoin Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin Cash There is no Bitcoin Core except BTCC: https://thebitcoincore.org/ |
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Marlo Stanfield
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June 05, 2018, 04:46:32 PM |
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Maybe he's being censored, maybe he's not. But the accusations probably aren't completely false and newcomers need to have the FULL DECENTRALIZED STORY. Maybe core has the better developers, who knows? Is segwit tougher to code than BU? It's all fucking nonsense because not making the correct decision for Bitcoin is scary shit. That's why I tend to side with the least riskier core implementation, but BU doesn't sound terrible.
It's not even a question that Core has better developers. Not even close imo. There's tons of reasons why anything to do with Roger Ver, particularly BCH should in fact sound very terrible. Just reading about him should be setting off huge red flags. |
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BitpokerONI
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June 07, 2018, 03:20:01 AM |
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Give me a DIRECT link to rogers statement....+ singed blockchain transaction NO image ,, no notthing....
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Viendong6158
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June 14, 2018, 06:10:43 AM |
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The only thing this thread made me realize is that if Roger got a VIP badge, now I want one too! Cry lol
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Tommy len
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June 14, 2018, 10:00:55 AM |
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Ver wont take the bet but if he does I'll throw all my BTU at his BTC any day of the week. Roger Ver is an opporunist, he will support whatever chain that gives him advantage. He also could be supporting the blockchain split so that he could double his coins.
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JollyGood
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June 14, 2018, 10:42:17 AM |
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Ver wont take the bet but if he does I'll throw all my BTU at his BTC any day of the week. Roger Ver is an opporunist, he will support whatever chain that gives him advantage. He also could be supporting the blockchain split so that he could double his coins.
Well Ver does have a bad reputation for being greedy and opportunistic throughout the community but it seems as though he did not back out of the deal, it seems the other party did. |
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nutildah
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October 20, 2020, 01:28:55 PM |
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I'm bumping this thread now that BCH is at an all-time low against BTC (current price: 0.0207) -- Loaded could have rekt Roger Ver by this point while doubling the size of his investment (granted they kept their BTC and not sold). I wonder why he disappeared from the forum, never to return. Looking at the wallets associated with Loaded's funds is... quite interesting. However, I encourage any blockchain detectives to do some pretty thorough research before jumping to any hasty conclusions!  Ver should have made a deal with Craig Wright: your BCH for my BSV... I mean he would have lost money either way, just not as much money... |
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gmaxwell
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I'm bumping this thread now that BCH is at an all-time low against BTC (current price: 0.0207)
Per coinmarketcap (ugh used to be an okay site before eth heads got them to abandon their integrity and list premined coins), it made it under 0.02 briefly back on September 25th! I was pretty surprised by it, since it really looks like someone has been spending a lot of money to keep BCH above 0.02/BTC and I've been waiting for that peg to fail. On the day the wall came down
The Ship of Fools had finally run aground
Promises lit up the night like paper doves in flight But I guess this is just how most of these schemes die... not with a bang, but with a wimper. However, I encourage any blockchain detectives to do some pretty thorough research before jumping to any hasty conclusions! Not that polite to go digging through other people's transactions!  Ver should have made a deal with Craig Wright: your BCH for my BSV... I mean he would have lost money either way, just not as much money...
God knows, I half think that ver has been cynically dumping BCH (and later BSV) on his suckers the whole time. We know that BU kept 90% of their funds as Bitcoin instead of going all in on bcash. If he really followed through with what he promoted to others he'd be looking at devastating >>90% losses (esp if he also went hard in on eth at the time he was pumping it it would be more like 98% losses), and probably we wouldn't be hearing from him anymore. |
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600watt
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October 20, 2020, 04:07:31 PM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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ver must really have had a lot of btc. and he must have been influential in the early days to an extent that he developed this view as if he himself can have a say in to which direction bitcoin evolves. he thought he owned the network. indeed, it would have been nice to see him sacrifice his wealth for this hubris. I am sure he bled a lot. he did not stay humble and bitcoin tends to be a harsh mistress towards those who aren't.
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gmaxwell
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October 20, 2020, 04:12:07 PM |
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ver must really have had a lot of btc.
A pretty decent amount, anyone with the leaked mtgox data can see how much... in USD amounts at the time it wasn't particularly stupendous. and he must have been influential in the early days to an extent that he developed this view as if he himself Nah. A lot of people barely had any idea of who he was for a long time-- beyond the hothead blockchain.info guy that was doxing users. But I have no doubt that he was very important in the little bubble where he was funding a collection of sycophants, and that's probably sufficient to build up the kind of hubris that you mention. |
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nutildah
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April 13, 2023, 12:34:38 PM |
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Damn, that's intense. And it explains a lot. Good find. I thought we determined that this was the silk road escrow wallet
More proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.msg1197352#msg1197352I remember all that going down at the time, it was fascinating to watch. Funny to find out loaded was larping as a "highly successful trader" the whole time. Instead what he really did was manipulate the Silk Road withdrawal system out of 50k BTC in 2012. Wonder where he slipped up with his OpSec. He lasted 10 years. |
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Rampion
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Wonder where he slipped up with his OpSec. He lasted 10 years.
Worst mistake was a newbie one - he commingled Silk Road and clean coins in the same wallet. At some point he sent some legit coins to an exchange (where he was likely KYC'd), and change was sent back to his wallet. After a while he moved the Silk Road coins and the change coming from his clean coins was sent together with the dirty ones. Law enforcement contacted the exchange and got all the details including his IP address. Source: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1549821/download |
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