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March 31, 2017, 01:34:01 AM
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...and another bald faced lie. What is it with you core-sycophants that leads you to lie in order to cast aspersions onto other implementations? Are you that insecure in your wish of technical superiority?
I didn't lie, and I backed up and sourced my claim.  The BU articles of federation gives the president sole power over the entire network/project.

Have you read them?
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March 31, 2017, 01:51:59 AM
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Ummm, why does that picture say there have been 0 zero-day exploits and 0 chain forks. Both of these statements are an outright lie.

Were there serious 0 day exploits? 0 day exploits refer to tools that exploit vulnerabilities that are not known by the developer. Exploits that were written after the devs found the vulnerability and patched it are called 1 day exploits. The difference is important as users are mostly powerless to defend against 0 day exploits, however 1 day exploits can be defended by quickly patching. 0 days are actually quite rare and are usually very valuable, even though the term is often used as some sort of fear mongering. I don't recall there being any serious 0 day exploits in Bitcoin Core, maybe in the early days.
There was the bug that would cause nodes to think that an unlimited number of bitcoin was created as part of a transaction in Bitcoin's very early days, luckily the person who figured out how to do this went crazy and made it appear as if billions of bitcoin were created, making it very obvious there was a problem.



that was more then 5 years ago!
last Unlimited bug was 2 WEEKS ago!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/divisive-bitcoin-unlimited-solution-crashes-after-bug-exploit
Thats exactly what I say with this picture....
BU can cry like a little kid it was hacked , but in bitcoin you have one live.
Getting hacked is not an option!
that's why I posted the pic.


Btc unlimited is a closed source buggy joke , that will crash the first time it runs on its own.


https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/846819297695600641


The fact that  Roger ver did not sign his bet challenge yet shows that he does not believe in unlimited him self!
So only fools will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEluhC9SxE





So what exactly was the lie here?
Bitcoin core exists since bitcoin 11.00 https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident

The Value overflow incident was in 2010!

References

Block 74638. Value overflow incident bad chain. 2010-08-15. Hash 0000000000790ab3f22ec756ad43b6ab569abf0bddeb97c67a6f7b1470a7ec1c. [ Block]
Transaction 4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b.
BitcoinTalk thread 822. Strange block 74638 2010-08-15.
http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2010-5139
"Fix for block 74638"
Satoshi Nakamoto
Block 74691. Main chain. 2010-08-16. Hash 00000000005c22d199706df1c38b38d76f8401920dcbe91edf3417f8847da707. Block explorer
Transaction 237fe8348fc77ace11049931058abb034c99698c7fe99b1cc022b1365a705d39.

The overflow bug was in the times Roger Ver was commiting with the source code!
https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/tree/master/src

This was way before bitcoin core  was formed! Smiley
 
so whet they say it is RIGHT they had 0 bugs , 0 downtime , and 0 exploited zero days!!

That's why I say search and you will find who is lieing!! Smiley

BU is one big joke ,  if you look a bit deeper you see true the facade.


 


Closed source https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-unlimiteds-closed-source-development-puts-community-on-edge/ and buggy code come on who are you fooling!
The client crashed 2 weeks ago! if core was not running whole bitcoin would have crashed! Smiley
BTC is a 20.000.000.000 marked you cant have bugs like that to be taken serous.
ONLY CORE is bug free since 0.11! you have had 3 bugs since 1-1-2017 so please! get real here!
BTC UNLIMITED IS A JOKE! face it!


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March 31, 2017, 02:08:33 AM
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...and another bald faced lie. What is it with you core-sycophants that leads you to lie in order to cast aspersions onto other implementations? Are you that insecure in your wish of technical superiority?
I didn't lie, and I backed up and sourced my claim.  The BU articles of federation gives the president sole power over the entire network/project.

Have you read them?

Of course I have read them. And by your silly post, I see that you have read them too, but are incapable of understanding clear language.

First off, there is no equivalency between the BU project and the Bitcoin network. Much like the fact that there is no equivalency of the Blockstream project and the Bitcoin network.

Second, the articles of federation clearly enshrine a vote by the members as the binding decision making process. The president of BU clearly does not have sole power over even the BU project.

You'll have to lie better if you want to tarnish this.

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March 31, 2017, 02:14:37 AM
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If it was closed source, then the source code would not be freely available to all. But it is. Accordingly, the claim that BU is closed source is quite simply a lie.

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The client crashed 2 weeks ago! if core was not running whole bitcoin would have crashed!

Hyperbole much? There was no point where all BU clients crashed. Accordingly, whether or not BU was the entirety of the network, 'whole bitcoin' would not have crashed.

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CORE is bug free since 0.11

orly? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10130 Six hours ago.

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March 31, 2017, 06:59:37 AM
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There was the bug that would cause nodes to think that an unlimited number of bitcoin was created as part of a transaction in Bitcoin's very early days, luckily the person who figured out how to do this went crazy and made it appear as if billions of bitcoin were created, making it very obvious there was a problem.

Ah yeah I thought thats what you were referring to.

Just to note that the bug could only create 92233720368.54277039 BTC per block, no more or less, as thats the max value for a UINT_64 integer.

It's also difficult to know whether it was purposely exploited, as the bug could trigger under normal circumstances.

Well I would argue that around this time period, the Bitcoin client contained a popup warning saying that Bitcoin is not ready to be used for financial transactions. It was essentially a "testnet" during the early period. Satoshi actually refused to remove this warning for a long time, he wanted Bitcoin to grow slow in the early days so that it would be "battle hardened" and capable of handling high capacity. Perhaps a scalability solution would've been put in place way before it was needed if people had listened. We're at least a year behind on a solution. This is all WikiLeaks' fault for promoting Bitcoin too soon  Grin
Yes, in "modern" Bitcoin, there have been no zero-day attacks, at least none that have been made public.

I would point out that Bitcoin Core has been the "client of record" of Bitcoin for quite a while now, so there are unique incentives for a larger number of eyes to look at the code before it is put into production verses something like insight.

I would also point out that since bitcoin is very valuable, there are few incentives to crash a large number of nodes, but are more incentives to engage in things that result in being able to steal bitcoin.

I would also note that the exploits in the BU code were really not zero-day exploits, but were rather exploits that the devs pointed out to others once they patched the relevant issues -- it was just that the patch was not distributed to node operators prior to the bug being exploited. 

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March 31, 2017, 07:12:43 AM
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Second, the articles of federation clearly enshrine a vote by the members as the binding decision making process. The president of BU clearly does not have sole power over even the BU project.

You'll have to lie better if you want to tarnish this.

The president hand picked those members after self-appointing:

Quote from: BU president
There is no democratic way to kick something like this off so I am just going to be autocratic about it. I’m defining myself judge, jury and executioner (with the valuable input of those who have been interacting with me of course!) with the power to appoint the initial members.
https://bitco.in/forum/threads/bitcoin-unlimited-membership-join-us.208/
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March 31, 2017, 07:30:02 AM
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blockstream president - adam back - no elections
blockstream CTO - gmaxwell - no elections

as for bugs
core multiple hour blockstain stall V0.8 2013 (berkely - leveldb update bug) = lots of orphaned blocks

other issues tagged as bugs:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9881
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9883
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9988
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9997
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10001
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10034


P.S
having bugs is actually a good thing.
1. it shows people are using/testing it to spot it
2. if something is never buggy its either a lie or the devs prefer to not care/deal with it by denying bugs

in short.
core are just another of MANY implementations. not the utopian dream that should dictate bitcoin no implementation should become the dictator.
so stop crying that core is being attacked.

act like you actually care about a diverse decentralised PEER network. and stop acting like you want centralised FIAT2.0 with core as the IMF

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March 31, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
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Not quite look at the last statistics people are getting it miners are leaving BU pools..



Not quite you say? Look at that chart. Bitcoin Unlimited clearly is going up and Bitcoin Core is clearly going the opposite direction. There will be small daily changes but the trends are clearly already established by just looking at that chart. Dont underestimate it, thats where you lose sight of what to do in case the hard fork really happens.
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blockstream president - adam back - no elections
blockstream CTO - gmaxwell - no elections

as for bugs
core multiple hour blockstain stall V0.8 2013 (berkely - leveldb update bug) = lots of orphaned blocks

other issues tagged as bugs:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9881
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9883
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9988
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9997
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10001
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10034


P.S
having bugs is actually a good thing.
1. it shows people are using/testing it to spot it
2. if something is never buggy its either a lie or the devs prefer to not care/deal with it by denying bugs

in short.
core are just another of MANY implementations. not the utopian dream that should dictate bitcoin no implementation should become the dictator.
so stop crying that core is being attacked.

act like you actually care about a diverse decentralised PEER network. and stop acting like you want centralised FIAT2.0 with core as the IMF


Just LMAO!

First if you have unstable software and miners please split of! , that's what I said in my other post!
Your bitcoin unlimited network will crash in no time leaving bitcoin core + segwit alone!
Evrybody is dumping UNLIMITED for the reason iam stating here.
https://coin.dance/blocks but I don't see a clear trend up sorry Smiley
Its more like one person desperate placing miners to break the downfall!
reality everbody is dumping unlimited because of the bugs last 2 weeks!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1846568.0
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEluhC9SxE
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etyjc1JdmFU

Ils all about buggy code nobody wants! a 20.000.000.000 market cant have these bugs!




 V 0.8 is NOT made by bitcoin core , it was made before bitcoin core came to live  Smiley
https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/ Bitcoincore started at 0.11 Smiley
V 0.8 was made by the old guys AKA roger ver! the guys who are angry at core Smiley
So its tere own bugs they are refering  too!!!! Smiley
and Thats makes BTC-U a JOKE.... the programers of old bitcoin are removed by bitcoincore
and are blaming bugs to NEW bitcoincore! ,while keep makeing them in BU code! Smiley

Annyway the claim of core :



Is TRUE! Smiley






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March 31, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
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I thought this thread was about a deal between Roger Ver and Loaded.

Is it possible to move the infantile and useless discussions to another thread, where nobody has to see them?
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I thought this thread was about a deal between Roger Ver and Loaded.

Is it possible to move the infantile and useless discussions to another thread, where nobody has to see them?
Now thats a good idea, hilariousandco is online now, send him a PM and see if he can split the thread and leave this purely for the bet discussions.

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I thought this thread was about a deal between Roger Ver and Loaded.

Is it possible to move the infantile and useless discussions to another thread, where nobody has to see them?

It IS
And the simple fact that ROGER ver did NOT sign yet on his challenge tells everything about him a does not believe in bitcoin unlimited him self!!!! Smiley Smiley
I agree move it out but give it a link so we can easy refer to it.
if trolls want to change the topic.
 

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Gentlemen this thread is about making a deal for BTU to BTC - not a fucking debate about CORE vs BU - keep it on track or you spam up the thread with FUD.

I'm trying to trade my BU for BTC here lol

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Reddit seems to have caught that post in a spam filter, it shows up when I'm logged in. I lost the password to my other reddit account.

60K is personal holdings, possibly up to an additional 70K in client funds depending on their sentiment, which pretty strongly leans Core.

Escrow wise, I would hope someone could come up with an atomic swap method.

Have Ver fly out to meet you in person and live stream it with an a respected
semi-independent Bitcoiner there as a real time witness and the escrow agent.
You and Ver split the cost of flying out this respected Bitcoiner.

Make it a good old fashion Pay-Per-View event. Major Bitcoin history right there.
Like boxers getting weighed-in before the fight. Glorious.
That's a damn hilariously smart idea.
In case this is actually not a complete hoax and BTU eventually does pull it through this could set a big precedent for both of the coins. Still routing for BTC though lol.
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March 31, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
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blockstream president - adam back - no elections
blockstream CTO - gmaxwell - no elections

as for bugs
core multiple hour blockstain stall V0.8 2013 (berkely - leveldb update bug) = lots of orphaned blocks

other issues tagged as bugs:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9881
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9883
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9988
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9997
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10001
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/10034


P.S
having bugs is actually a good thing.
1. it shows people are using/testing it to spot it
2. if something is never buggy its either a lie or the devs prefer to not care/deal with it by denying bugs

in short.
core are just another of MANY implementations. not the utopian dream that should dictate bitcoin no implementation should become the dictator.
so stop crying that core is being attacked.

act like you actually care about a diverse decentralised PEER network. and stop acting like you want centralised FIAT2.0 with core as the IMF


Just LMAO!

First if you have unstable software and miners please split of! , that's what I said in my other post!
Your bitcoin unlimited network will crash in no time leaving bitcoin core + segwit alone!
Evrybody is dumping UNLIMITED for the reason iam stating here.
https://coin.dance/blocks but I don't see a clear trend up sorry Smiley
Its more like one person desperate placing miners to break the downfall!
reality everbody is dumping unlimited because of the bugs last 2 weeks!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1846568.0
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEluhC9SxE
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etyjc1JdmFU

Ils all about buggy code nobody wants! a 20.000.000.000 market cant have these bugs!




 V 0.8 is NOT made by bitcoin core , it was made before bitcoin core came to live  Smiley
https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/ Bitcoincore started at 0.11 Smiley
V 0.8 was made by the old guys AKA roger ver! the guys who are angry at core Smiley
So its tere own bugs they are refering  too!!!! Smiley
and Thats makes BTC-U a JOKE.... the programers of old bitcoin are removed by bitcoincore
and are blaming bugs to NEW bitcoincore! ,while keep makeing them in BU code! Smiley

Annyway the claim of core :


Is TRUE! Smiley

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Reddit seems to have caught that post in a spam filter, it shows up when I'm logged in. I lost the password to my other reddit account.

60K is personal holdings, possibly up to an additional 70K in client funds depending on their sentiment, which pretty strongly leans Core.

Escrow wise, I would hope someone could come up with an atomic swap method.

Have Ver fly out to meet you in person and live stream it with an a respected
semi-independent Bitcoiner there as a real time witness and the escrow agent.
You and Ver split the cost of flying out this respected Bitcoiner.

Make it a good old fashion Pay-Per-View event. Major Bitcoin history right there.
Like boxers getting weighed-in before the fight. Glorious.
That's a damn hilariously smart idea.
In case this is actually not a complete hoax and BTU eventually does pull it through this could set a big precedent for both of the coins. Still routing for BTC though lol.

I would sit in as a witness - have good standing in the community and across all social media.

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Gentlemen this thread is about making a deal for BTU to BTC - not a fucking debate about CORE vs BU - keep it on track or you spam up the thread with FUD.

I'm trying to trade my BU for BTC here lol

Lets stay on topic here! 
Roger ver the guy that does not believe in his own bitcoin unlimited coin , its getting more fun by the minute! Smiley




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Fact Check:

✓ Buggy Unlimited is a failure and only PBOC miners support it
✓ Roger Ver has pussied out
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For the record,  I replied to Loaded on March 24, 2017, 10:29:47 PM.
I still haven't heard back from him yet.

Hey Roger,

Do not know whether you have missed my offer, but in case you have missed it: 3500BTU for 3500BTC. My contact is contact@bitdice.me, we can negotiate the deal.

Regards,
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I'd just like to let everyone know that Loaded still hasn't contacted me.

I'm still waiting.....

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