French Election

[DooMAD]

The terrorists are probably too busy at the moment rapping your wives and daughters while the limp dick men stand by and let them.

I've heard of gangster rappers, but not terrorist ones.  I'm dimly aware of the East Coast - West Coast hip hop rivalry, but this takes things to a whole new level.  

Does anyone have something that actually resembles a legitimate argument against freedom of movement, or is it just a never-ending steam of low IQ, ethnocentric stereotypes with little reflection on reality itself?  Some of you either read too many tabloids, or surround yourselves with too many sheep who read too many tabloids.  The bias confirmation couldn't be more evident if you tried.

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

All politicians say what people want to hear or they would not get elected.

Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation.

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

No royally fucking up the middle east for decades, creating the environment and conditions that literally caused every terrorist attack ever = no terror attacks.  But keep up with your caveman eye-for-an-eye mentality.  That's bound to make things better.


 

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[Even more russian bot speak]

Delusional ramblings paired with quoting me neither equals a discussion nor an argument.
You are just repeating the same old bullshit that has no basis for some sig pennies.

Yep 40 years ago we accepted millions of muslim as immigrants.
Until 2015 nobody gave a fuck about that.

@Mark:

Get cucked son LoL

[Marcus_2017]

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

All politicians say what people want to hear or they would not get elected.

Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation.

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

[DooMAD]

Read some news sources. You're being lied to. There are already immense amounts of "refugees" fleeding into germany which want sharia law. It's not just GB.



This is just from the middle east, and these people also flee to germany, europe. Do you think their beliefs change when they cross the border?


Also you're making the statement that these "refugees" will ever go back. They won't. Look at Germany in the 60/70, The netherlands, and belgium, when they imported workers from turkey and Moroccan. They stayed, and never integrated.

You know there's a high level of hypocrisy when the person spouting it is completely blind to it.

Just about everyone in the west is more than happy for our respective governments to meddle in the governance models of countries we don't even live in.  You don't even bat an eyelid to telling other people all over the world how they should live their lives.  But suddenly people moving to your country and expressing their personal preference for one single aspect of a governance model they've become accustomed to is unreasonable?  Maybe it's all they've ever known?  Maybe if you asked those same people a year later, some of their views might change?  It's like you expect everyone to abandon every ideal they've ever held the second they're within view of your national border.  Then you all complain about migrants having children who will grow up sharing their parents views, but many will actually grow up more "integrated" than their parents will ever be, since you're clearly obsessed with pressuring everyone to share your narrow outlook.

You are doing what real fascists do. Scream and shout without any consent, any sources, or any arguments, or any logical thinking. You are the reason why the West is crippling down.

Real fascists like telling people what they can and can't think and are unable to tolerate personal freedom.  Those are traits you absolutely appear to be demonstrating.

[Sithara007]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

[Alexzap]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

And what prevents to change the laws? When politicians need they change the laws without any problems. Why, then, there is the European Parliament? It seems to me that many politicians are happy with this situation. They always have a theme for PR in one way or another. To talk about migration easier than to improve the economic situation.

[mainpmf]

France you have 2 choices .

Choice 1.Vote Macron and follow the EU and prop up 15 countries who have no money plus one day they will just focus on another country and let your country rot because they cannot keep focusing on 1 country.

Some other part of the EU will need new buildings jobs and so on so that means you will be fronting the bills to do this while all along your country gets more immigrants to abuse your peoples and your cities will fall apart .

Also Macron says he will let the immigrants go straight on to the UK .
An act of WAR.

Dude...
Aren't you one of those morons who wanted the UK out of the EU?

And when the next France president says "well we'll stop PAYING for keeping migrants who wants to go in UK in France" you're saying it's an act of war? 

Don't you see a little hypocrisy here? xD

You're out of the EU. We're no longer allies. Why should WE keep YOUR borders?

[mainpmf]

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

Both

It's logical of course. Nothing against that.
But deporting by force 7% of the population? Without them having commited any crime whatsoever? That's what I call fascism at its best.

And just curious, where will she send all those muslims? Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

So what? Where do you send them? You pick a random Muslim country? xD

[mainpmf]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

Yeah mainly because we're the ones responsible for most of the shits that's happening in their country... So we're quite responsible for them migrating and losing everything...

In fact we could blame ourselves for both this criminality and terrorism... If we weren't SO DUMB maybe we could wonder why there is so much migrants now and so much terrorism and MAYBE we would make the link with the numerous wars we started in all Middle East...

But no, let's just blame Islam. Much easier. Of course Islam has been here for centuries without causing so many atrocities but facts don't really matter, much easier to accuse them.

GO LEPEN! WE DON'T WANT LOGIC OR SOLUTIONS! WE WANT A SCAPEGOAT SO WE DON'T FEEL GUILTY FOR THE ATROCITIES WE COMMIT ALL OVER THE WORLD JUST TO LIVE ON TOO HIGH STANDARDS!

[Sithara007]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

[DooMAD]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.   

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

[Okurkabinladin]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

[canine2017]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

The belonging to nationality remains for many generations, but this is different. It's one thing when it comes to athletes and quite another thing is moral principles. For example, many Russians in America, Russian support at competitions, but never support the Russian power and the economic model which was built in Russia.

[DooMAD]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

[iCEBREAKER]

  none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders 

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

[Okurkabinladin]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

Neither me nor Sithara are even French or residing in France. I am eastern european baptist, you racist prick.

On basis of that, we do not dictate to you anything, we are merely telling you, that your country and its culture has become laughing stock even in third world and it is fault of faithless, valueless people like you. Nobody else.

Not even Le Pen can reverse decades old fact, that your country´s soul is stricken by mental illness, but even slowing the bleeding could buy people of any descent or faith time to start to talk with each other again. For if you by your own stupidity become refugee in your own country, I swear you wont find any respite coming to my door step. Deepest circle of hell is reserved for cowards and traitors.

[DooMAD]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

Neither me nor Sithara are even French or residing in France. I am eastern european baptist, you racist prick.

Neither am I, so why are you saying I let people into France and they're replacing my culture?  My point is that you're a bigot in whatever borders you reside in because I'm sure you make the exact same disgusting arguments about migrants coming into your own borders.

On basis of that, we do not dictate to you anything, we are merely telling you, that your country and its culture has become laughing stock even in third world and it is fault of faithless, valueless people like you. Nobody else.

Again, not my country.  The values I stand for don't include scapegoating, stereotyping or persecuting minorities in the name of supposed social cohesion.  The more the authoritarians try to tighten their grip, the more social unrest you will see as a result.  The culture I put my faith in won't stand for totalitarianism.  I'll defend personal freedom anywhere I see it under attack from intolerance.

Not even Le Pen can reverse decades old fact, that your country´s soul is stricken by mental illness, but even slowing the bleeding could buy people of any descent or faith time to start to talk with each other again. For if you by your own stupidity become refugee in your own country, I swear you wont find any respite coming to my door step. Deepest circle of hell is reserved for cowards and traitors.

I've argued before that those shouting the loudest about the supposed horrors of people from other faiths or creeds are equally as belligerent/dogmatic/traditionalist/fundamentalist as those they claim to revile.  Thank you for proving me correct.  The simple fact remains, you don't fight fire with fire. 

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

[Okurkabinladin]

DooMAD,

My point is that you're a bigot in whatever borders you reside in because I'm sure you make the exact same disgusting arguments about migrants coming into your own borders.

I have a news for you. Being a migrant is a "status" not belief system, religion or a race. Your name calling is therefore merely telling of your own palpable education. And your assumption is wrong, I am welcoming of guests, who share my values and have decency to knock. As is the observed custom in my culture. Where was the last time you shared your own bread and wine with strangers, that you have the audicity to label others as non-elected judge?

I'll defend personal freedom anywhere I see it under attack from intolerance.

What freedoms *attacked* by what intolerance? Do you find resistance to Islamic State revolting? You dont know what you are talking about, because you have no idea that freedom of one ends where freedom of others start. You have just said so yourself.

The simple fact remains, you don't fight fire with fire.

Already forgot sentence you have written above? You dont make good case for yourself.



Writing about tolerance doesnt absolve individual in his attacks on free speech, as writing about world peace doesnt absolve killer from the act of murder.

You, social justice warriors claim to have monopoly on all those noble words and creeds, often directly copied and pasted from Bible, yet you have presented no value system of your own, indeed prepared to ditch anything and anyone overboard, if the means justify the end. You are no different from communists I grew up with in my homeland.

France with people like you will only work as a socialist police state, Big brother as a poor fascimile for the God. Enjoy your "minute of hate" against the rest of us for time is not on your side.



This is not work of God or any nation. It is your work.

[Barrymore]

The candidate in presidents of France, centrist Emmanuel macron has threatened the EU with France's withdrawal from the Union if the Union will not agree to the reform. "At the same time, we must look at the situation, to listen to our people and to the fact that they are very angry today..., disturbed functioning of the EU is no longer good", - said the politician.
Macron believes that his side will be "betrayal" to allow the EU to continue to function in the same form. Such statements Makron probably finally cut the ground from under the feet of Marie Le pen.

[iCEBREAKER]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').