French Election

[ridery99]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

[Marcus_2017]

Nothing. I am sure that it will not become the next President of France. If this Nazi wins the election it will be in the same situation as Trump. Only she'll have less room for manoeuvre. I hope the French will not make the same mistakes as the Americans.

[ridery99]

Nothing. I am sure that it will not become the next President of France. If this Nazi wins the election it will be in the same situation as Trump. Only she'll have less room for manoeuvre. I hope the French will not make the same mistakes as the Americans.

Are you sure you're thinking by yourself or just copy-pasting some stuff you have heard from the mainstream (Soros)media?

[DooMAD]

There's already a thread about the French General Election.  Vive La France Insoumise.  Mélenchon for the win.  Most of Le Pen's fans aren't even French, heh.  I get the impression she receives far more media attention outside of France than she does in her own national media.

[Sithara007]

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

[zokora]

If Le Pen wins, we will have 3 ambitious women leaders in the most powerful countries in Europe: Germany, France, UK
I hope they wont lead a big war aroung the world

[Lieldoryn]

If Le Pen wins, we will have 3 ambitious women leaders in the most powerful countries in Europe: Germany, France, UK
I hope they wont lead a big war aroung the world

All the opinion polls have to defeat Makron . In the case of Trump, it certainly didn't work but it seems to me that there the election was not all pure. If France will not be so then all will be fine. Besides, France is chosen by the majority, and then sociology is not wrong.

[saddampbuh]

if le pen doesn't win it won't matter who gets in as the others are all fully committed to mass third world immigration

[Sithara007]

If Le Pen wins, we will have 3 ambitious women leaders in the most powerful countries in Europe: Germany, France, UK
I hope they wont lead a big war aroung the world

Please don't insult Le Pen by comparing her with Angela Merkel. The only similarity between the two is that both of them are female. Merkel is a disaster, and she is trying to destroy the European civilization.

[zokora]

If Le Pen wins, we will have 3 ambitious women leaders in the most powerful countries in Europe: Germany, France, UK
I hope they wont lead a big war aroung the world

Please don't insult Le Pen by comparing her with Angela Merkel. The only similarity between the two is that both of them are female. Merkel is a disaster, and she is trying to destroy the European civilization.

That's enough 

[Xester]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

[bryant.coleman]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

I would like Le Pen to become the next president. But the problem is this:

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

It is going to be extremely hard. But I can't vouch for anything. In 2016, Trump achieved something which was considered as impossible by the political analysts. He won 58% of the white vote (when compared to 37% by Hillary). That propelled him to victory, despite the minorities voting overwhelmingly against him. But Le Pen's task is even more difficult.

[Barrymore]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

I would like Le Pen to become the next president. But the problem is this:

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

It is going to be extremely hard. But I can't vouch for anything. In 2016, Trump achieved something which was considered as impossible by the political analysts. He won 58% of the white vote (when compared to 37% by Hillary). That propelled him to victory, despite the minorities voting overwhelmingly against him. But Le Pen's task is even more difficult.

Moreover, Trump won thanks to the votes of the electors. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary as discussed by sociologists. Marie Le pen's task more difficult. She needs to gain a majority of votes.

[GreenBits]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

I would like Le Pen to become the next president. But the problem is this:

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

It is going to be extremely hard. But I can't vouch for anything. In 2016, Trump achieved something which was considered as impossible by the political analysts. He won 58% of the white vote (when compared to 37% by Hillary). That propelled him to victory, despite the minorities voting overwhelmingly against him. But Le Pen's task is even more difficult.

It won't be that hard at all. After the recent terror attack in Paris, I'm almost willing to bet that she has it in the bag. This wasn't a  Reichstag Fire, so to speak, but will consolidate her voter base (and a few new faces,).

And I personally don't want to see her as president. But, that's them changes.

[divinemaniac]

You guys should watch this john oliver's last week tonight episode. This guy surely makes some good points and gives some good laughs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZir1L7fSY

[mindrust]

If U.S. supported Le-Pen ever gets elected, say bye bye to Euro/USD. Cuz it will be heading below 1.00 after she wins. She promised that she is going to leave EURO and have Franc instead as a currency.

First Britain, then France. Europe is doomed.

[Mometaskers]

As a non-French observing this online, I don't hear much about the candidates save for Le Pen. The recent terror attack could swing some undecided voters into her arms. I don't have problems with her rhetoric... she'll probably moderate them should she ever get into office. Maybe the promise to quit EU and revive the Franc would be just like Trumps wall.

IMHO they should really be cutting down a bit on immigration, just look at what Sweden is now. That could but them time while they fix things but probably wouldn't be enough, since they've already got a substantial portion of their population of immigrant descent that are target for radicalization by groups from abroad.

Quitting the EU could pose more problems for them but we'll never know. Maybe they should let UK exit first to see what will happen. If there's only one country that would really benefit from all this mess, that would be Russia.

Anyway, wishing you all the best there and stay safe..

[mindrust]

You guys should watch this john oliver's last week tonight episode. This guy surely makes some good points and gives some good laughs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZir1L7fSY

I don't believe any shit comes out of his cunt mouth. I am not surprised that this retard went gray after he got stomped in the face by Trump.

https://i.imgur.com/jftKKrY.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxTiRIbs2nY 6 months ago

https://i.imgur.com/UdKPTaA.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkZir1L7fSY&t=10s 16.04.17

Dude came closer to his death by at least 10 years in 6 months.

[Podgor]

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Other choice means complete destruction of culture and values within th next 10 years.

[yoseph]

I think the entire world has shown double standards during The French elections, when Trump was campaigning and his rhetoric was mainly anti immigration and anti Islam, the whole world was condemning him, but Marie Le Pen is campaigning ok the same lines and no one is saying anything against her.

[freedomno1]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

Kind of lean towards the more traditional candidate but with how Elections have been going I would say Le Pen has a hidden undercurrent to utilize the recent terror incidents have probably put some traditionalists into the law and order by restricting immigration camp as well.
Would not be surprised with either outcome but here come the polls
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/23/france-goes-polls-marine-le-pen-emmanuel-macron-leading-race/

[DooMAD]

I think the entire world has shown double standards during The French elections, when Trump was campaigning and his rhetoric was mainly anti immigration and anti Islam, the whole world was condemning him, but Marie Le Pen is campaigning ok the same lines and no one is saying anything against her.

For the record, I've been dead against both from the outset, heh.  I would have liked to have seen Sanders at the helm in the US and still think the Democrats made a colossal error in judgement there.  I'm not sure about Macron in France.  He is a former bankster, so doesn't exactly endear trust, but he's still infinitely preferable to Le Pen.  Mélenchon would be my first preference, though.

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Other choice means complete destruction of culture and values within th next 10 years.

Pffft.  People are still so set on this ridiculous notion that "culture" is this static, rigid thing that never changes over time or even by locality.  It's such utter horseshit and is largely a thinly-veiled way of saying "I don't like outsiders with their own customs and traditions".  Culture in France today is different to how it was 20 years ago.  Culture in the north of France differs to that in the south of France.  Culture is an organic thing and will change and adapt naturally over the course of time.  Change will occur regardless of who is leading the country.  

Also, some, myself included, would argue that a Le Pen government would be a destruction of values, because we fought WWII to defeat authoritarian fascism and consign it to the history books as a dark period in human history never to be repeated, not embrace it with open arms and jizz-filled pants like some of the nutters in this thread some decades later.  

[Mometaskers]

I think the entire world has shown double standards during The French elections, when Trump was campaigning and his rhetoric was mainly anti immigration and anti Islam, the whole world was condemning him, but Marie Le Pen is campaigning ok the same lines and no one is saying anything against her.

For the record, I've been dead against both from the outset, heh.  I would have liked to have seen Sanders at the helm in the US and still think the Democrats made a colossal error in judgement there.  I'm not sure about Macron in France.  He is a former bankster, so doesn't exactly endear trust, but he's still infinitely preferable to Le Pen.  Mélenchon would be my first preference, though.

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Other choice means complete destruction of culture and values within th next 10 years.

Pffft.  People are still so set on this ridiculous notion that "culture" is this static, rigid thing that never changes over time or even by locality.  It's such utter horseshit and is largely a thinly-veiled way of saying "I don't like outsiders with their own customs and traditions".  Culture in France today is different to how it was 20 years ago.  Culture in the north of France differs to that in the south of France.  Culture is an organic thing and will change and adapt naturally over the course of time.  Change will occur regardless of who is leading the country.  

Also, some, myself included, would argue that a Le Pen government would be a destruction of values, because we fought WWII to defeat authoritarian fascism and consign it to the history books as a dark period in human history never to be repeated, not embrace it with open arms and jizz-filled pants like some of the nutters in this thread some decades later.  

You're French? Wishing you luck. Whoever wins the election would still need to solve problems with terrorism that many countries in Europe are currently experiencing. Also, you can't blame some of your countrymen that they're aligning themselves with a populist. They're afraid and fear throws reason out the window.

I recently watched a video about Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCE_vEdA9WU&t=2s and it's deeply disturbing, especially the concert assaults. And their government seem to be just sweeping it under a rug. When people feel their problems are not being addressed they'd cling to whoever promises to solve it and will likely stay away from anyone they associate with the current system.

[DooMAD]

I think the entire world has shown double standards during The French elections, when Trump was campaigning and his rhetoric was mainly anti immigration and anti Islam, the whole world was condemning him, but Marie Le Pen is campaigning ok the same lines and no one is saying anything against her.

For the record, I've been dead against both from the outset, heh.  I would have liked to have seen Sanders at the helm in the US and still think the Democrats made a colossal error in judgement there.  I'm not sure about Macron in France.  He is a former bankster, so doesn't exactly endear trust, but he's still infinitely preferable to Le Pen.  Mélenchon would be my first preference, though.

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Other choice means complete destruction of culture and values within th next 10 years.

Pffft.  People are still so set on this ridiculous notion that "culture" is this static, rigid thing that never changes over time or even by locality.  It's such utter horseshit and is largely a thinly-veiled way of saying "I don't like outsiders with their own customs and traditions".  Culture in France today is different to how it was 20 years ago.  Culture in the north of France differs to that in the south of France.  Culture is an organic thing and will change and adapt naturally over the course of time.  Change will occur regardless of who is leading the country.  

Also, some, myself included, would argue that a Le Pen government would be a destruction of values, because we fought WWII to defeat authoritarian fascism and consign it to the history books as a dark period in human history never to be repeated, not embrace it with open arms and jizz-filled pants like some of the nutters in this thread some decades later.  

You're French? Wishing you luck. Whoever wins the election would still need to solve problems with terrorism that many countries in Europe are currently experiencing. Also, you can't blame some of your countrymen that they're aligning themselves with a populist. They're afraid and fear throws reason out the window.

I recently watched a video about Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCE_vEdA9WU&t=2s and it's deeply disturbing, especially the concert assaults. And their government seem to be just sweeping it under a rug. When people feel their problems are not being addressed they'd cling to whoever promises to solve it and will likely stay away from anyone they associate with the current system.

Brit, so I should probably be more focused on my thread about that election, heh.  I'm alarmed by the swing to authoritarianism every it seems to be occurring lately.  If so-called terrorism causes us to sacrifice our basic human rights and freedoms in the name of defence, then as far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won.  Authoritarianism at home is not the answer and nor is creating yet more displaced people by bombing the shit out of other countries.  The solution to the migrant/refugee crisis is not to wall up your borders, it's to stop causing such migration by screwing up other parts of the world to make a profit.  The more western countries are pursuing petty national interests at the expense of humanity as a whole, the worse the situation becomes.  Stop meddling in the affairs of other nations and marvel at the reduction in the number of refugees you create.  It's not rocket science.

[squatz1]

Nothing. I am sure that it will not become the next President of France. If this Nazi wins the election it will be in the same situation as Trump. Only she'll have less room for manoeuvre. I hope the French will not make the same mistakes as the Americans.

I've never been one to understand in the least how you can call someone a Nazi just because they're conservative and on the far-right when it comes to policies and issues. America didn't make a mistake in the least and if you think Clinton would've been a better choice I don't know what you're missing in your brain but you should fix it.

You're probably one of those people that think all of those Republica, White, Males, are horrible Nazis based on their skin color and hate everyone. Get the fuck outta here ya Liberal scum, ACTUALLY ANTI-FAC would love ya please join bud.

Loved to see based stick man kick ya ass.

[Losvienleg]

Nothing. I am sure that it will not become the next President of France. If this Nazi wins the election it will be in the same situation as Trump. Only she'll have less room for manoeuvre. I hope the French will not make the same mistakes as the Americans.

I've never been one to understand in the least how you can call someone a Nazi just because they're conservative and on the far-right when it comes to policies and issues. America didn't make a mistake in the least and if you think Clinton would've been a better choice I don't know what you're missing in your brain but you should fix it.

You're probably one of those people that think all of those Republica, White, Males, are horrible Nazis based on their skin color and hate everyone. Get the fuck outta here ya Liberal scum, ACTUALLY ANTI-FAC would love ya please join bud.

Loved to see based stick man kick ya ass.

I am sharing your positing in these leftists are not very intelligent to call nazi everyone that does not agree with you. But in other way, I truly hope she will not be elected President, and hopefully it seems it will not be the case.

[DooMAD]

So it's officially Emmanuel Macron on an estimated 23.8% and Marine Le Pen on an estimated 21.7% set for the final round showdown.  Voter turnout was 69.42%, which is remarkably high, but still down on 2007's unbelievable 84%.  We'll see what happens in May.

[Okurkabinladin]

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

Good call as usual, Sithara.

Also if either communist Melenchon (the guy before you, who just appraised him should be banned from forum, plain and simple) or Le Pen proceed to the second round, you can bet your bottocks, that the rest of mainstream, pro-EU (read, liberal left) establishment will unite against him/her.

Alas, the red Melenchon didnt make it. Thus we will see, media, government, antifa and pro-muslim lobby unite against Front National behind Macron. Dude that already has track record as Che Guevera fan, banker (I kid you not) and notorious gerontophile. I have suspicion that his marriage to woman twenty years his senior masks his homosexuality. I also expect him to win.

[freedomno1]

Brit, so I should probably be more focused on my thread about that election, heh.  I'm alarmed by the swing to authoritarianism every it seems to be occurring lately.  If so-called terrorism causes us to sacrifice our basic human rights and freedoms in the name of defence, then as far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won.  Authoritarianism at home is not the answer and nor is creating yet more displaced people by bombing the shit out of other countries.  The solution to the migrant/refugee crisis is not to wall up your borders, it's to stop causing such migration by screwing up other parts of the world to make a profit.  The more western countries are pursuing petty national interests at the expense of humanity as a whole, the worse the situation becomes.  Stop meddling in the affairs of other nations and marvel at the reduction in the number of refugees you create.  It's not rocket science.

Imperialism is modern Western Culture under a shadow of feminism and shaming through PC Values and the idea that this is modernism.
Mix in corporatism and the interest in making the most profit at any cost without caring about the locals and we get government policies that subsidize wars as at the end of the day the corporation can just move around so it's not so much a concern what happens in the local zone they operate but in reality it should be about peoples mobility and security as making the most profit possible for the cheapest buck puts development to the side hence all the resource invasions for oil fields resources and mines etc without the economic benefits and jobs trickling down.

The problem with Europe is that destroying a buffer in Libya with Gaddaffi is as dumb as you can get now its just a hole that no one can patch up and shows you reap what you sow promoting disorder chaos and civil war will naturally result in people moving to safety, cultural migration and cheap labor can come back to bite under the guise of lets bring democracy what is democracy throw a few bombs and send aid to feel better. Like that will ever result in a better outcome for the people it takes a lot more than a few aid convoys to rebuild a war-torn country. Your right however authoritarianism is reviving due to fear but if it leads to a Western Power War then we are in real trouble.
That said as long as it is handled we should be fine but weak political and economic structures do lead to difficulties. 
http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/11/slave-markets-in-libya-trap-migrants-heading-for-europe

[Sithara007]

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

Good call as usual, Sithara.

Also if either communist Melenchon (the guy before you, who just appraised him should be banned from forum, plain and simple) or Le Pen proceed to the second round, you can bet your bottocks, that the rest of mainstream, pro-EU (read, liberal left) establishment will unite against him/her.

Alas, the red Melenchon didnt make it. Thus we will see, media, government, antifa and pro-muslim lobby unite against Front National behind Macron. Dude that already has track record as Che Guevera fan, banker (I kid you not) and notorious gerontophile. I have suspicion that his marriage to woman twenty years his senior masks his homosexuality. I also expect him to win.

That will mark the end of the glorious French civilization, which lasted for many centuries. France will become the first country in Western Europe to become Muslim majority. Also, he will make sure that France will become a vassal nation of Germany.

[DooMAD]

the guy before you, who just appraised him should be banned from forum, plain and simple

Typical alt-right.  Posing in the guise of Libertarians, but at their core, delicate little snowflakes who can't tolerate freedom of speech, who will happily embrace authoritarianism to silence all dissent.  Then they play the victim card if someone compares them to fascists, despite their obvious tendency to display fascist traits.

If you can't handle other peoples' opinions challenging your own narrow view of the world and you feel like you need a safe space, click the 'ignore' button, it's there for a reason.  

That will mark the end of the glorious French civilization, which lasted for many centuries. France will become the first country in Western Europe to become Muslim majority. Also, he will make sure that France will become a vassal nation of Germany.

Melodramatic much?  While my preferred candidate didn't make it through, I'm quite happy to let the French decide for themselves what's best for their civilisation.  I'm guessing if it were left up to you, they wouldn't have that freedom.

[iCEBREAKER]

There's already a thread about the French General Election.  Vive La France Insoumise.  Mélenchon for the win.  Most of Le Pen's fans aren't even French, heh.  I get the impression she receives far more media attention outside of France than she does in her own national media.

^That post hasn't aged well.  

Also loving your latest salty posts.  So full of deflection, excuses, and butthurt. 

#REKT

[frankbit]

I am very funny to watch as the Russians freaking out when their minions one after the other losing. France has shown many countries, what is to resist Russian expansion. Wins him the only candidate who wants the collapse of the EU and not controlled by Russia.

[popcorn1]

Macaron is an ELITE puppet ..

France if you vote for him you are crazy people..

marine le pen MUST WIN she will save your country from TOTAL SLAVERY from the ELITE GREEDY PEOPLE..

Macaron is François Hollande blue eye ..So what change will you get?.

Your children will still be getting killed and raped by ISLAMIC NUTTERS if Macaron wins
plus they will invite even more cheaper labour and wipe the French people out..

They just want anyone in your country as cheap slave labour..
And then your people will have to except the low pay because every immigrant will work for cheap
and with so many in your country they will not be hard to find CHEAP LABOUR..

Then they over run your country and then change the face of it..

BUT THE ELITE DON'T CARE THEY LIVE ON PRIVATE LAND ..ACRES OF IT.. ..

No trouble from immigrants for the ELITE..No immigrants on there ACRES OF LANDS..

[Sithara007]

I am very funny to watch as the Russians freaking out when their minions one after the other losing. France has shown many countries, what is to resist Russian expansion. Wins him the only candidate who wants the collapse of the EU and not controlled by Russia.

It is true that Emmanuel Macron is rabidly anti-Russia, and Marine Le Pen is somewhat pro-Russia. Putin might have favored Fillon, as he is also somewhat pro-Russia. But it doesn't matter now. France is not as powerful as it once used to be. Now it is just a part of the German fourth Reich, better known as the Europäische Union.

[mainpmf]

There's already a thread about the French General Election.  Vive La France Insoumise.  Mélenchon for the win.  Most of Le Pen's fans aren't even French, heh.  I get the impression she receives far more media attention outside of France than she does in her own national media.

Sadly brother it seems that people were completely too stupid to go and vote for the only fucking one who clearly said "hey guys, did you see? What you have is not a democracy it's just an old school system that we should change. Let's decide a new form of government where the people will really have the power".

And they voted for a crazy corrupted bitch, a corrupted asshole banker and a fucking corrupted religious nut...

[mainpmf]

I am very funny to watch as the Russians freaking out when their minions one after the other losing. France has shown many countries, what is to resist Russian expansion. Wins him the only candidate who wants the collapse of the EU and not controlled by Russia.

It is true that Emmanuel Macron is rabidly anti-Russia, and Marine Le Pen is somewhat pro-Russia. Putin might have favored Fillon, as he is also somewhat pro-Russia. But it doesn't matter now. France is not as powerful as it once used to be. Now it is just a part of the German fourth Reich, better known as the Europäische Union.

So sick and tired of that shit.
I bet you're one of those dumbasses who support Lepen?
Damn you and all your kind of past lovers, go invent time travel and live in the 1800s if you miss so much the yearly wars we had without the union.

Wanting to change is perfectly ok. Wanting to delete it and go back to national sovereignity is just showing that you've learned nothing of our last 2 millenia.

[mainpmf]

if le pen doesn't win it won't matter who gets in as the others are all fully committed to mass third world immigration

Yeah let's forget how she stole millions from her own people and lets pretend she wants what's best for her own country...

[Okurkabinladin]

if le pen doesn't win it won't matter who gets in as the others are all fully committed to mass third world immigration

Yeah let's forget how she stole millions from her own people and lets pretend she wants what's best for her own country...

Yeah. Le Pen atleast knows its her country, not province of Germany. Good luck living under the Krauts.

What are you doing on Bitcointalk of all places? These marxists have created social problems for you to the point, that you seek betterment through new technology, then go back and demand even more government to amend problems it created in the first place. And you still believe patriots that love their country are the problem here, huh?

Back in 1800´ France was spiritual leader of the west, instituting freedoms that we take for granted today. Now, you hateful communist scum hand in hand with islamists are busy to take those freedoms - for speech, for sovereignity away.

You vote in gay investment bankster, who is fan of Che Guevera, not because you like him, but because he doesnt remind you, that you still live in France.

Almost makes me think, that giving brain dead sheep voting rights was a mistake. But you will amend it eventually, so it corrects itself. You hate freedom.

[poppbets]

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Other choice means complete destruction of culture and values within th next 10 years.

yes you are quite right ! 

[Xester]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

I would like Le Pen to become the next president. But the problem is this:

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

It is going to be extremely hard. But I can't vouch for anything. In 2016, Trump achieved something which was considered as impossible by the political analysts. He won 58% of the white vote (when compared to 37% by Hillary). That propelled him to victory, despite the minorities voting overwhelmingly against him. But Le Pen's task is even more difficult.

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

[Forester618]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I think the next french President will be marine Le pen. If she will win the election she will separate france from the use of english pounds and will make  a national currency for their own. She also told the European Union that if she will win France will treat pounds as a common currency rather than as a national currency. If Le pen will win LEPEN coins will also skrocket in value and I am hoping for that.

I would like Le Pen to become the next president. But the problem is this:

I think that it is going to be Macron. Some 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and therefore Le Pen needs to win 72% of the native French vote in order to win. Right now, she is stuck at somewhere around 65%.

LOL! How much are you willing to put Marie Le pen? I'm sure you're just saying that because really you don't put cash. Only suicide can bet on the victory of the fascist. You perhaps Russian? It is their national trait not to recognize the reality because it is not profitable.

It is going to be extremely hard. But I can't vouch for anything. In 2016, Trump achieved something which was considered as impossible by the political analysts. He won 58% of the white vote (when compared to 37% by Hillary). That propelled him to victory, despite the minorities voting overwhelmingly against him. But Le Pen's task is even more difficult.

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

[Daymond Goulder-Horobin]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

[Casanova18]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

[mainpmf]

if le pen doesn't win it won't matter who gets in as the others are all fully committed to mass third world immigration

Yeah let's forget how she stole millions from her own people and lets pretend she wants what's best for her own country...

Yeah. Le Pen atleast knows its her country, not province of Germany. Good luck living under the Krauts.

what you're saying is basically: "she's a corrupted asshole but she's a French corrupted asshole". Ok granted, is that really better than an international corrupted asshole? I don't know for me I would have loved to not have a corrupted asshole at all...

What are you doing on Bitcointalk of all places? These marxists have created social problems for you to the point, that you seek betterment through new technology, then go back and demand even more government to amend problems it created in the first place. And you still believe patriots that love their country are the problem here, huh?

Lol! If you think problems come from the "Marxists" we don't have the same definition of what a Marxist is. There hasn't been any Marxist at power in France since the period between the 2 WW, I don't even know wtf you're talking about!

Back in 1800´ France was spiritual leader of the west, instituting freedoms that we take for granted today. Now, you hateful communist scum hand in hand with islamists are busy to take those freedoms - for speech, for sovereignity away.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL
Where did I take your freedom of speech?
Man what you say makes 0 sense.
In 1800's France was a fucking horrible country invading the whole Europe, killing, raping and destroying everything!!! Where the fuck is your "freedoms" in the Napoleonian Empire? If you said anything that was seen as against the Empire you were executed 6 hours later, wtf are you even talking about?

You vote in gay investment bankster, who is fan of Che Guevera, not because you like him, but because he doesnt remind you, that you still live in France.

Another dumb statement. I said that both candidates are trash and you make it like I support the banker. Please start using this brain of yours.

Almost makes me think, that giving brain dead sheep voting rights was a mistake. But you will amend it eventually, so it corrects itself. You hate freedom.

Lol

[mainpmf]

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

Yeah sure, I mean it's not like she had stolen millions from her own country.
She's definitely a good candidate.
She wants what's best for her country.
And what's better for her country than giving money to her?

[criptix]

if le pen doesn't win it won't matter who gets in as the others are all fully committed to mass third world immigration

Yeah let's forget how she stole millions from her own people and lets pretend she wants what's best for her own country...

Yeah. Le Pen atleast knows its her country, not province of Germany. Good luck living under the Krauts.

What are you doing on Bitcointalk of all places? These marxists have created social problems for you to the point, that you seek betterment through new technology, then go back and demand even more government to amend problems it created in the first place. And you still believe patriots that love their country are the problem here, huh?

Back in 1800´ France was spiritual leader of the west, instituting freedoms that we take for granted today. Now, you hateful communist scum hand in hand with islamists are busy to take those freedoms - for speech, for sovereignity away.

You vote in gay investment bankster, who is fan of Che Guevera, not because you like him, but because he doesnt remind you, that you still live in France.

Almost makes me think, that giving brain dead sheep voting rights was a mistake. But you will amend it eventually, so it corrects itself. You hate freedom.

You czechs are pretty delusional. 4th biggest receiver for over two decades who gets 4 billion netto every year.
Please leave the fourth reich now and pay us back 100 billion.
You realize germans and french people are paying your welfare and the infrastructure of your 3rd world home? The best fascist system ever. Get money and do nothing for it.

[DooMAD]

Also loving your latest salty posts.  So full of deflection, excuses, and butthurt. 

#REKT

Yes, because selective images to portray a narrative are always so convincing.   

Macron's Rallies:


Le Pen's Rally:

It's not exactly difficult, is it?  So if you're quite finished doing your best impression of Sean Spicer talking about crowd sizes, let's move on.

[PancherBitCoin]

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

Yeah sure, I mean it's not like she had stolen millions from her own country.
She's definitely a good candidate.
She wants what's best for her country.
And what's better for her country than giving money to her?

Now there are very surprising politicians who come to power in many
countries and who in other circumstances, in general, no one would
admit them to serious politics, and here they become presidential
candidates.

[Winchester2211]

Also loving your latest salty posts.  So full of deflection, excuses, and butthurt. 

#REKT

Yes, because selective images to portray a narrative are always so convincing.   

Macron's Rallies:


Le Pen's Rally:

It's not exactly difficult, is it?  So if you're quite finished doing your best impression of Sean Spicer talking about crowd sizes, let's move on.

A great option for answer to Russian bots! All their false propaganda based on bribing politicians and spread fake information. I think that people all over the world will know that you should never vote for politicians who have ties with the Russians.

[GreenBits]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

When you say elite, who do you mean really? Mist politicians have wealthy sponsors whos agendas they push, neither candidate is an exception. I know with certainty LePen didn't fund her campaign out if pocket (in fact, she had some fundraising help from Trump's camp).

This the age of decrying big interest, while being in bed with it. At least, that's been the modus the last few elections.

Strange days people, strange days.

[Sithara007]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

If you argue that Le Pen is a puppet of Putin, then I would argue back that Macron is a puppet of Angela Merkel. The French sovereignty will be under threat, unless Macron comes out of Merkel's shadow.

[Okurkabinladin]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

Do you have any proof that Front National is russian foreign service? Or is that just more nwo propaganda, that youve catched on?

Macron is openly supported by german industry, muslim imams and George Soros Antifa thugs. You can call the latter ones "mainstream" in western Europe aswell. There was good analysis awhile back, that investigated 70% of german journalists vote Green Party, another 20% Social democrats. So all in all, you have 90% of the media supporting marxism and communism being in bed with corporations (who need cheap slave labor). Nice picture of status quo.

All of those traits meet nicely in Macron, who is self-professed fan of Che Guevera on hand, yet his professional resume reads: Investment banker.

By the way, Le Pen is also not right of the spectrum as most of her policies have socialist vibe. The difference is, she puts interests of her voters before those of her donors. She is local as opposed to supranational.

[criptix]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

Do you have any proof that Front National is russian foreign service? Or is that just more nwo propaganda, that youve catched on?

Macron is openly supported by german industry, muslim imams and George Soros Antifa thugs. You can call the latter ones "mainstream" in western Europe aswell. There was good analysis awhile back, that investigated 70% of german journalists vote Green Party, another 20% Social democrats. So all in all, you have 90% of the media supporting marxism and communism being in bed with corporations (who need cheap slave labor). Nice picture of status quo.

All of those traits meet nicely in Macron, who is self-professed fan of Che Guevera on hand, yet his professional resume reads: Investment banker.

By the way, Le Pen is also not right of the spectrum as most of her policies have socialist vibe. The difference is, she puts interests of her voters before those of her donors. She is local as opposed to supranational.

Look at the money trail. FN and le pen got directly funded by the kreml. They got millions from russia

Le pen is repeating the nazi germany propaganda except this time is not jews but muslims.

[Alexzap]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

Do you have any proof that Front National is russian foreign service? Or is that just more nwo propaganda, that youve catched on?

Macron is openly supported by german industry, muslim imams and George Soros Antifa thugs. You can call the latter ones "mainstream" in western Europe aswell. There was good analysis awhile back, that investigated 70% of german journalists vote Green Party, another 20% Social democrats. So all in all, you have 90% of the media supporting marxism and communism being in bed with corporations (who need cheap slave labor). Nice picture of status quo.

All of those traits meet nicely in Macron, who is self-professed fan of Che Guevera on hand, yet his professional resume reads: Investment banker.

By the way, Le Pen is also not right of the spectrum as most of her policies have socialist vibe. The difference is, she puts interests of her voters before those of her donors. She is local as opposed to supranational.

Look at the money trail. FN and le pen got directly funded by the kreml. They got millions from russia

Le pen is repeating the nazi germany propaganda except this time is not jews but muslims.

Muslims this is only the beginning. Then she and the Jews will get. And end all that the streets will attract crowds of supporters and shout France only for the French.

[Losvienleg]

There are a few things to consider, Macron was pushed forward by the elite whereas Le Pen opposes a lot of it.  It all depends on whether the people can see through.  Of course Le Pen could always be a decoy.

You forgot to clarify who is sponsoring Marie Le pen. The French understand that everywhere where on the horizon looms the shadow of Putin need to wait for traps. There is not a single rich country which is located in the halo of influence of Russia.

Do you have any proof that Front National is russian foreign service? Or is that just more nwo propaganda, that youve catched on?

Macron is openly supported by german industry, muslim imams and George Soros Antifa thugs. You can call the latter ones "mainstream" in western Europe aswell. There was good analysis awhile back, that investigated 70% of german journalists vote Green Party, another 20% Social democrats. So all in all, you have 90% of the media supporting marxism and communism being in bed with corporations (who need cheap slave labor). Nice picture of status quo.

All of those traits meet nicely in Macron, who is self-professed fan of Che Guevera on hand, yet his professional resume reads: Investment banker.

By the way, Le Pen is also not right of the spectrum as most of her policies have socialist vibe. The difference is, she puts interests of her voters before those of her donors. She is local as opposed to supranational.

Look at the money trail. FN and le pen got directly funded by the kreml. They got millions from russia

Le pen is repeating the nazi germany propaganda except this time is not jews but muslims.

Muslims this is only the beginning. Then she and the Jews will get. And end all that the streets will attract crowds of supporters and shout France only for the French.

This is a bit what is happening. I was watching her meeting some minutes ago, and people were repedetly shouting "We are in our home !". Macron must win, because Le Pen means the destructions of what took so much time to be build and the end of foreign policy and partnership. If we do not sell planes, tanks and ships anymore, the debt will be astronomous.

[Userperson321]

I would say Le Pen but with the fake accusations coming from the left, I fear Macron might win. Which is a shame considering he is pretty much oblivious to the real problems of France.

[Hazir]

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

I am with you, while I think that there is no candidate who is the best I think that Marine Le Pen is still better than former employee and pawn of Rothschild banking family.
Macron will be an ultimate puppet of businesses and banks, Le Pen is not poor by any means but I still think that because she radical represents right wing she is less prone to corruption.

[farl2web]

I am betting on Marine Le Pen but after seeing the results of the latest polls the possibility of Le Pen becoming the President of France become slim. But on the last hour before the actual election Le Pen should create some miracle so that even if she is losing in the polls she can win the real elections. Le Pen is a revolutionary candidate that can bring a turn around on France financial system its a pity of she will lost.

I am with you, while I think that there is no candidate who is the best I think that Marine Le Pen is still better than former employee and pawn of Rothschild banking family.
Macron will be an ultimate puppet of businesses and banks, Le Pen is not poor by any means but I still think that because she radical represents right wing she is less prone to corruption.

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

[markj113]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Why is that anyone who wishes control immigration and shut down the open borders is always tagged as a Nazi?

Perhaps you can enlighten me to which of her policies equate her to be being a Nazi, any Jew gassing or invading neighbouring countries in her manifesto?

[Sithara007]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Why is that anyone who wishes control immigration and shut down the open borders is always tagged as a Nazi?

Perhaps you can enlighten me to which of her policies equate her to be being a Nazi, any Jew gassing or invading neighbouring countries in her manifesto?

In the current era of rabid political correctness, anyone who doesn't believe in the ultra-leftist ideology is portrayed as a neo-Nazi. Take the example of the Swedish Democrats. Their policies are center-left. And still, the media demonizes them as Nazis.

[criptix]

[Russian bot speak]

Go to russia where you belong

Whoops. Nobody wants to go there. Russian ppl flee into the west for some weird reason

[Forester618]

[Russian bot speak]

Go to russia where you belong

Whoops. Nobody wants to go there. Russian ppl flee into the west for some weird reason

I agree with you. Russian always shout about the good life in Russia, but at the first opportunity try to go to the West. Their aggressiveness is manifested only for the reason that they are jealous of the West. If they can't build a good country it is easier to destroy other countries.

[Hazir]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Have you noticed what is going on in France, UK, Germany and other western countries recently?
We have terrorist attack almost every week. Is that normal to you? Tell me why there is no terrorists attack in Czech, Poland, Slovakia or Hungary?
Le Pen wants her own country to be strong, safe and not necessarily to become an islamic caliphate in the next 50 years.

[criptix]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Have you noticed what is going on in France, UK, Germany and other western countries recently?
We have terrorist attack almost every week. Is that normal to you? Tell me why there is no terrorists attack in Czech, Poland, Slovakia or Hungary?
Le Pen wants her own country to be strong, safe and not necessarily to become an islamic caliphate in the next 50 years.

No i havent noticed in germany.  Could you inform me about the weekly terrorist attacks in my home country?
Maybe the homegrown terrorist in france and uk are unhappy with society?

[More russian bot speak]

Why the heck would i argue with a bot?

[cybersofts]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

No, I don't think Le Pen is going to win the presidential election rather Emmanuel macron!

[cybersofts]

[Russian bot speak]

Go to russia where you belong

Whoops. Nobody wants to go there. Russian ppl flee into the west for some weird reason

Lol Some Russians still thinks that they superior than westerners, dude!

[Lieldoryn]

[Russian bot speak]

Go to russia where you belong

Whoops. Nobody wants to go there. Russian ppl flee into the west for some weird reason

Lol Some Russians still thinks that they superior than westerners, dude!

Do you think that they really think so? They just can't admit that they are slaves in their own country. The best way to defend is attack. So they attack the West. Is a Russian national trait. Russian 1% live very rich and not subject to any laws, and 99% live very poorly.

[popcorn1]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Have you noticed what is going on in France, UK, Germany and other western countries recently?
We have terrorist attack almost every week. Is that normal to you? Tell me why there is no terrorists attack in Czech, Poland, Slovakia or Hungary?
Le Pen wants her own country to be strong, safe and not necessarily to become an islamic caliphate in the next 50 years.

No i havent noticed in germany.  Could you inform me about the weekly terrorist attacks in my home country?
Maybe the homegrown terrorist in france and uk are unhappy with society?

[More russian bot speak]

Why the heck would i argue with a bot?

Maybe the homegrown terrorist in france and uk are unhappy with society?

No it's because MAMA MERKEL HAD AN AGENDA..She thought we would all turn Christians  .
She knew inviting ISLAMIC CRAZIES would cause trouble..


Now in 2010 SHE SAID THIS..

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel says her country's attempts to build a multicultural society have utterly failed.

Angela Merkel declares death of German multiculturalism | World ...
Video for angela merkel say no to refugees in 2010▶ 1:20
https://www.theguardian.com › World › Angela Merkel
17 Oct 2010
Chancellor Angela Merkel has declared the death of multiculturalism in Germany, saying that it had "failed .

Angela Merkel: German Chancellor says multiculturalism is a sham ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
14 Dec 2015 - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's refugee policy has attracted praise from all ... of Merkel, she probably would insist that she was not contradicting herself. ... But this concept has failed, and failed utterly," she said in 2010

SHE KNEW IT FAILED IN 2010..Now 5 YEARS LATER SHE DONE THIS..

Germany opens its gates: Berlin says all Syrian asylum-seekers are ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
24 Aug 2015 - The decision came as Chancellor Angela Merkel and the French ... for Syrian refugees was welcomed by refugee support groups in Britain as a ..


Now she KNEW it would cause trouble on the GERMAN BORN PEOPLE.
And 5 years later she invited more and now the POLICE SAY THIS BELOW..

Angela Merkel's immigration policy blamed by German police for crime ...
www.express.co.uk › News › World
4 Nov 2016 - ANGELA Merkel's open door immigration policy has been given yet another blow as police blame it for crime increasing by one third..

AND NOW SHE WANTS TO DO THIS..
Migrant crisis: Angela Merkel announces plan to deport 100,000 failed ...
www.express.co.uk › News › World
27 Nov 2016 - ANGELA MERKEL today announced plans to deport 100000 migrants ... has taken an increasingly tough tone on immigration in recent months.


How much money as she wasted on bringing refugees in and out of germany..
Plus how many have died because of refugees and raped and robbed..


SHE KNEW ALL ALONG WHAT WOULD HAPPEN..FOR AN AGENDA ..

And with her suppose to be a CHRISTIAN and with her pleading the germans to sing at CHRISTMAS
and play the recorder ..

ME thinks it's was so we all say those muslims we better become stronger in our faith Christianity..
When really no one gives a doo doo about fairy tales..Not in the west anyways.

To much Science and the need to make money to be interested in fairy tales..

Now GET ALL THOSE CRAZY ISLAMIC FUCKS OUT OF EUROPE ..MAMA MERKEL..

In the UK the ISLAMIC CRAZIES are trying to blow up all sorts of stuff..
Police so good in our land .Even the LAMP POST are watching .

Two counter-terrorism operations in the space of a few hours. This is a fast-moving story - new facts are emerging all the time.
I'll keep this blog updated through the day with what we know, along with some analysis from the Home Affairs Unit, the BBC team that has covered terrorism for more than a decade.
A 27-year-old man is still in custody on suspicion of preparing an act of terrorism and possession of offensive weapons - meaning knives.
He was arrested at the bottom of Whitehall after being stopped and searched. Two addresses are being searched.
He's being held under Terrorism Act powers - so police have 14 days to decide whether to charge or release him.
Last night, armed officers deployed CS gas and forced entry to a home in Willesden, north-west London. This operation was unrelated to Whitehall.
A woman who is 21 was shot and is in a serious but stable condition in hospital. Due to her injuries, she is not under arrest.
Six people have been arrested in connection with this second investigation - five at or near the property and a sixth person in Kent.
Again, all of them are being held under Terrorism Act powers so police have 14 days to charge or release.


All i know is the more the ISLAMIC CRAZIES try to harm us the more they get hurt many many fold more.. Not very smart .

[criptix]

[Wall of incomprehensible text by a user who doesnt know the difference between immigrants and refugees]

Tell me why UK has such a shitty security with terrorist all over the place while germany who got more then 3 times the numbers of refugees have a handfull terrorist plots that managed to kill uhm.. not even 10 people?
There are 100 times more people dying because of a bycycle accident per year.

Btw. Germany accepted millions of turkish immigrants alone in the 60s-70s along with other immigrants long before mama merkels rise to power.

So what the heck are 800.000 refugees that stay until putin and trump are done with their dick measuring contest.

[popcorn1]

[Wall of incomprehensible text by a user who doesnt know the difference between immigrants and refugees]

Tell me why UK has such a shitty security with terrorist all over the place while germany who got more then 3 times the numbers of refugees have a handfull terrorist plots that managed to kill uhm.. not even 10 people?
There are 100 times more people dying because of a bycycle accident per year.

Btw. Germany accepted millions of turkish immigrants alone in the 60s-70s along with other immigrants long before mama merkels rise to power.

So what the heck are 800.000 refugees that stay until putin and trump are done with their dick measuring contest.

immigrants and refugees  ,You mean Germany never knew the difference..

How many was refugees ?.You took more immigrants than refugees DERRRRR.
Most was just looking for work..

Look for yourself..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5CuCmePBw..

You invited everyone from anywhere on this planet to join your country knowing some must be the wrong people to invite..
Like javid the axe murderer from bongo land and his country just poor and had no war .

GERMANY is finished soon when we go to war..

[popcorn1]

[Wall of incomprehensible text by a user who doesnt know the difference between immigrants and refugees]

Tell me why UK has such a shitty security with terrorist all over the place while germany who got more then 3 times the numbers of refugees have a handfull terrorist plots that managed to kill uhm.. not even 10 people?
There are 100 times more people dying because of a bycycle accident per year.

Btw. Germany accepted millions of turkish immigrants alone in the 60s-70s along with other immigrants long before mama merkels rise to power.

So what the heck are 800.000 refugees that stay until putin and trump are done with their dick measuring contest.

You go back to mama merkel and tell her she will never get one penny off the BRITISH for
leaving the EU..Tell her tgo go and FUCK HERSELF..

And IF THE EU WANT A WAR YOU WILL GET ONE..100%..

You are pushing us to war THE EU we will attack you soon 100%..

WE WILL BLOW THE SHIT OUT YOU ALL..

You cheeky fuckers demanding money off us BRITISH..We payed WAY OVER THE ODDS..

You are getting told to FUCK OFF EU..And if you want WAR we WILL HAVE WAR..TILL THE DEAD..

We British are going crazy over your demands..
WE ARE LEAVING ..NO MATTER WHAT..

So carry on EU with YOUR THREATS AND WE WANT WAR..

[popcorn1]

I just hope you know your demands will cause civil and then world war ..
So if i was you i would shut your mouths EU..

You think you can push us British MAN people are going nuts over your demands..
We are seeing RED DEVIL EYES..

And believe me GERMANY YOUR COUNTRY WILL GET IT FIRST..

My gran mother always told me NEVER TRUST A GERMAN NOT EVER..

FUCK YOU HITLER COUNTRY..

[criptix]

I just hope you know your demands will cause civil and then world war ..
So if i was you i would shut your mouths EU..

You think you can push us British MAN people are going nuts over your demands..
We are seeing RED DEVIL EYES..

And believe me GERMANY YOUR COUNTRY WILL GET IT FIRST..

My gran mother always told me NEVER TRUST A GERMAN NOT EVER..

FUCK YOU HITLER COUNTRY..

Ok.

I think it is time you smoke some of your cannabis lol 

[popcorn1]

I just hope you know your demands will cause civil and then world war ..
So if i was you i would shut your mouths EU..

You think you can push us British MAN people are going nuts over your demands..
We are seeing RED DEVIL EYES..

And believe me GERMANY YOUR COUNTRY WILL GET IT FIRST..

My gran mother always told me NEVER TRUST A GERMAN NOT EVER..

FUCK YOU HITLER COUNTRY..

Ok.

I think it is time you smoke some of your cannabis lol 

You will see ..
Russia is coming for you ..
And if you be funny by demanding money from the British who already payed way over the odds in GDP to the EU for defence and the 10 billion we give each year.
We will let Russia EAT YOU FOR BREAKFAST..

We pay 2% GDP to protect your German asses and then you want more money for the EU..
Man we British must be IDIOT SLAVES..

As a British man i will always watch you Germans every 50 years you germans go crazy.

WW1 WW2  so been a while maybe your loosing the plot again and the BRITISH will have to put you back in your place again..And the Russians

I mean your sticking up for ISLAMIC CRAZIES just like WW2 .
So maybe we should get back with the RUSSIANS WW2..

I know we will be walking from the EU with no deal and then the fun will start..
The WAR GAMES..

I will never TRUST A GERMAN NOT EVER..
You go crazy like inviting every tom dick and harry to attack your own peoples..

So must be in the GERMAN GENES to go crazy once and a while..

VE AV VAYS OV MAKING YOU TALK..

You play games with the BRITISH and you will feel it 100 times worse than we ever will..

Now you can lick the remoaners butt holes EU but they are nothing
we BREXITERS HOLD THE CARDS..17 MILLION CARDS..

[popcorn1]

France you have 2 choices .

Choice 1.Vote Macron and follow the EU and prop up 15 countries who have no money plus one day they will just focus on another country and let your country rot because they cannot keep focusing on 1 country.

Some other part of the EU will need new buildings jobs and so on so that means you will be fronting the bills to do this while all along your country gets more immigrants to abuse your peoples and your cities will fall apart .

Also Macron says he will let the immigrants go straight on to the UK .
An act of WAR.
This guy will cause so much trouble we will be back in WW2..

Choice 2 .Vote le pen and we can kick all the UNWANTED BAD IMMIGRANTS OUT in 1 week and then build a uk and france trade deals that will see us THRIVE UNTIL THE NEXT CENTURY AND BEYOND..

No more paying EU GANSTERS .WE PAY OUR PEOPLES A GOOD LIFE ..

vive la france

[Sithara007]

You go back to mama merkel and tell her she will never get one penny off the BRITISH for
leaving the EU..Tell her tgo go and FUCK HERSELF..

LOL... couldn't say it any more clearly. Merkel can't have it both ways. First of all, she want to convert the European Union to her private fiefdom. And secondly she want money from the UK and other nations such as France and Italy.

[markj113]

Tell me why UK has such a shitty security with terrorist all over the place while germany who got more then 3 times the numbers of refugees have a handfull terrorist plots that managed to kill uhm.. not even 10 people?
There are 100 times more people dying because of a bycycle accident per year.

Btw. Germany accepted millions of turkish immigrants alone in the 60s-70s along with other immigrants long before mama merkels rise to power.

So what the heck are 800.000 refugees that stay until putin and trump are done with their dick measuring contest.

The terrorists are probably too busy at the moment rapping your wives and daughters while the limp dick men stand by and let them.

[Marcus_2017]

Do you really think that this Nazi can help, France and its citizens? We very often make mistakes, choosing the wrong candidates.

Why is that anyone who wishes control immigration and shut down the open borders is always tagged as a Nazi?

Perhaps you can enlighten me to which of her policies equate her to be being a Nazi, any Jew gassing or invading neighbouring countries in her manifesto?

In the current era of rabid political correctness, anyone who doesn't believe in the ultra-leftist ideology is portrayed as a neo-Nazi. Take the example of the Swedish Democrats. Their policies are center-left. And still, the media demonizes them as Nazis.

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

[markj113]

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

All politicians say what people want to hear or they would not get elected.

Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation.

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

[DooMAD]

The terrorists are probably too busy at the moment rapping your wives and daughters while the limp dick men stand by and let them.

I've heard of gangster rappers, but not terrorist ones.  I'm dimly aware of the East Coast - West Coast hip hop rivalry, but this takes things to a whole new level.  

Does anyone have something that actually resembles a legitimate argument against freedom of movement, or is it just a never-ending steam of low IQ, ethnocentric stereotypes with little reflection on reality itself?  Some of you either read too many tabloids, or surround yourselves with too many sheep who read too many tabloids.  The bias confirmation couldn't be more evident if you tried.

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

All politicians say what people want to hear or they would not get elected.

Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation.

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

No royally fucking up the middle east for decades, creating the environment and conditions that literally caused every terrorist attack ever = no terror attacks.  But keep up with your caveman eye-for-an-eye mentality.  That's bound to make things better.


 

[criptix]

[Even more russian bot speak]

Delusional ramblings paired with quoting me neither equals a discussion nor an argument.
You are just repeating the same old bullshit that has no basis for some sig pennies.

Yep 40 years ago we accepted millions of muslim as immigrants.
Until 2015 nobody gave a fuck about that.

@Mark:

Get cucked son LoL

[Marcus_2017]

Hitler also started with spoken words that people liked him. What it led to we know. Now any rhetoric that somehow blames the people along ethnic lines is perceived as fascism. Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation. Isn't that fascism?

All politicians say what people want to hear or they would not get elected.

Marie Le pen largely blames Muslims and offers to solve the problem of deportation.

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

[DooMAD]

Read some news sources. You're being lied to. There are already immense amounts of "refugees" fleeding into germany which want sharia law. It's not just GB.



This is just from the middle east, and these people also flee to germany, europe. Do you think their beliefs change when they cross the border?


Also you're making the statement that these "refugees" will ever go back. They won't. Look at Germany in the 60/70, The netherlands, and belgium, when they imported workers from turkey and Moroccan. They stayed, and never integrated.

You know there's a high level of hypocrisy when the person spouting it is completely blind to it.

Just about everyone in the west is more than happy for our respective governments to meddle in the governance models of countries we don't even live in.  You don't even bat an eyelid to telling other people all over the world how they should live their lives.  But suddenly people moving to your country and expressing their personal preference for one single aspect of a governance model they've become accustomed to is unreasonable?  Maybe it's all they've ever known?  Maybe if you asked those same people a year later, some of their views might change?  It's like you expect everyone to abandon every ideal they've ever held the second they're within view of your national border.  Then you all complain about migrants having children who will grow up sharing their parents views, but many will actually grow up more "integrated" than their parents will ever be, since you're clearly obsessed with pressuring everyone to share your narrow outlook.

You are doing what real fascists do. Scream and shout without any consent, any sources, or any arguments, or any logical thinking. You are the reason why the West is crippling down.

Real fascists like telling people what they can and can't think and are unable to tolerate personal freedom.  Those are traits you absolutely appear to be demonstrating.

[Sithara007]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

[Alexzap]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

And what prevents to change the laws? When politicians need they change the laws without any problems. Why, then, there is the European Parliament? It seems to me that many politicians are happy with this situation. They always have a theme for PR in one way or another. To talk about migration easier than to improve the economic situation.

[mainpmf]

France you have 2 choices .

Choice 1.Vote Macron and follow the EU and prop up 15 countries who have no money plus one day they will just focus on another country and let your country rot because they cannot keep focusing on 1 country.

Some other part of the EU will need new buildings jobs and so on so that means you will be fronting the bills to do this while all along your country gets more immigrants to abuse your peoples and your cities will fall apart .

Also Macron says he will let the immigrants go straight on to the UK .
An act of WAR.

Dude...
Aren't you one of those morons who wanted the UK out of the EU?

And when the next France president says "well we'll stop PAYING for keeping migrants who wants to go in UK in France" you're saying it's an act of war? 

Don't you see a little hypocrisy here? xD

You're out of the EU. We're no longer allies. Why should WE keep YOUR borders?

[mainpmf]

So how many recent terror attacks in France, Germany & the UK were commited by non muslims?

No muslims = no terror attacks?

Fascism or logic.

Both

It's logical of course. Nothing against that.
But deporting by force 7% of the population? Without them having commited any crime whatsoever? That's what I call fascism at its best.

And just curious, where will she send all those muslims? Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

So what? Where do you send them? You pick a random Muslim country? xD

[mainpmf]

It seems to me that you can do the same but with other means. Firstly not to accept new migrants, and secondly at the slightest violation of the law to deport those who are already in the country. And most importantly, you need to cancel the grant for migrants. Their living conditions should be the same as in their homeland. Then they will seek other countries to live in.

I have already posted about this many times. It is NOT possible to deport the criminal immigrants in most cases, especially if they hail from an "unsafe" country such as Somalia. The European Union laws makes it very difficult to deport refugees and migrants, who commits crime.

Yeah mainly because we're the ones responsible for most of the shits that's happening in their country... So we're quite responsible for them migrating and losing everything...

In fact we could blame ourselves for both this criminality and terrorism... If we weren't SO DUMB maybe we could wonder why there is so much migrants now and so much terrorism and MAYBE we would make the link with the numerous wars we started in all Middle East...

But no, let's just blame Islam. Much easier. Of course Islam has been here for centuries without causing so many atrocities but facts don't really matter, much easier to accuse them.

GO LEPEN! WE DON'T WANT LOGIC OR SOLUTIONS! WE WANT A SCAPEGOAT SO WE DON'T FEEL GUILTY FOR THE ATROCITIES WE COMMIT ALL OVER THE WORLD JUST TO LIVE ON TOO HIGH STANDARDS!

[Sithara007]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

[DooMAD]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.   

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

[Okurkabinladin]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

[canine2017]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

The belonging to nationality remains for many generations, but this is different. It's one thing when it comes to athletes and quite another thing is moral principles. For example, many Russians in America, Russian support at competitions, but never support the Russian power and the economic model which was built in Russia.

[DooMAD]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

[iCEBREAKER]

  none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders 

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

[Okurkabinladin]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

Neither me nor Sithara are even French or residing in France. I am eastern european baptist, you racist prick.

On basis of that, we do not dictate to you anything, we are merely telling you, that your country and its culture has become laughing stock even in third world and it is fault of faithless, valueless people like you. Nobody else.

Not even Le Pen can reverse decades old fact, that your country´s soul is stricken by mental illness, but even slowing the bleeding could buy people of any descent or faith time to start to talk with each other again. For if you by your own stupidity become refugee in your own country, I swear you wont find any respite coming to my door step. Deepest circle of hell is reserved for cowards and traitors.

[DooMAD]

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And that means you get to consider them less than human, tell them where they can or can't live, or deny them the right to follow their own beliefs if they live near you.  Yeah, that sounds fully justified.  

You genuinely believe you get to play 'thought police' for anyone who goes near your arbitrary borders, despite the fact that if you went back far enough, your lineage almost certainly includes foreign DNA too.  No one is a "native" to anywhere but Earth itself.

You've aptly demonstrated why you're a woeful example of the iniquitous depths to which people can sink and still think it's normal.  Congratulations.

Do you have problems with reading or did somebody here lend you authority of a judge?

Sithara said - respectfully - plain fact, that integration failed. I wont be so kind.

You let in people, who you knew nothing about and did precisely nothing to make them your own.

They have their own culture, beliefs and loyalties. None of those three have anything to do with you. In fact only common ground is shared space and welfare system. If you have audicity to call that "French", then hear this. Your standarts are incredibly low, if you call brothers and sisters people, who are openly and proudly calling you a french dog.

Indeed Arabs are cultured people, yet their belief system is replacing yours, not complementing it.

And I'm saying - not quite so respectfully - plan fact, that none of you fascists get to dictate how far people have to "integrate" to live in your borders.  You do not get to dictate what they can or can't campaign for in a peaceful manner.  You do not get to dictate what freedom of speech they do or do not have.  You do not get to dictate what religious symbols they choose to adorn themselves with.  These are all matters of personal freedom, of which you have no right to trample in the name of bigotry.  Coerced conformity is not the same as integration.

Neither me nor Sithara are even French or residing in France. I am eastern european baptist, you racist prick.

Neither am I, so why are you saying I let people into France and they're replacing my culture?  My point is that you're a bigot in whatever borders you reside in because I'm sure you make the exact same disgusting arguments about migrants coming into your own borders.

On basis of that, we do not dictate to you anything, we are merely telling you, that your country and its culture has become laughing stock even in third world and it is fault of faithless, valueless people like you. Nobody else.

Again, not my country.  The values I stand for don't include scapegoating, stereotyping or persecuting minorities in the name of supposed social cohesion.  The more the authoritarians try to tighten their grip, the more social unrest you will see as a result.  The culture I put my faith in won't stand for totalitarianism.  I'll defend personal freedom anywhere I see it under attack from intolerance.

Not even Le Pen can reverse decades old fact, that your country´s soul is stricken by mental illness, but even slowing the bleeding could buy people of any descent or faith time to start to talk with each other again. For if you by your own stupidity become refugee in your own country, I swear you wont find any respite coming to my door step. Deepest circle of hell is reserved for cowards and traitors.

I've argued before that those shouting the loudest about the supposed horrors of people from other faiths or creeds are equally as belligerent/dogmatic/traditionalist/fundamentalist as those they claim to revile.  Thank you for proving me correct.  The simple fact remains, you don't fight fire with fire. 

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

[Okurkabinladin]

DooMAD,

My point is that you're a bigot in whatever borders you reside in because I'm sure you make the exact same disgusting arguments about migrants coming into your own borders.

I have a news for you. Being a migrant is a "status" not belief system, religion or a race. Your name calling is therefore merely telling of your own palpable education. And your assumption is wrong, I am welcoming of guests, who share my values and have decency to knock. As is the observed custom in my culture. Where was the last time you shared your own bread and wine with strangers, that you have the audicity to label others as non-elected judge?

I'll defend personal freedom anywhere I see it under attack from intolerance.

What freedoms *attacked* by what intolerance? Do you find resistance to Islamic State revolting? You dont know what you are talking about, because you have no idea that freedom of one ends where freedom of others start. You have just said so yourself.

The simple fact remains, you don't fight fire with fire.

Already forgot sentence you have written above? You dont make good case for yourself.



Writing about tolerance doesnt absolve individual in his attacks on free speech, as writing about world peace doesnt absolve killer from the act of murder.

You, social justice warriors claim to have monopoly on all those noble words and creeds, often directly copied and pasted from Bible, yet you have presented no value system of your own, indeed prepared to ditch anything and anyone overboard, if the means justify the end. You are no different from communists I grew up with in my homeland.

France with people like you will only work as a socialist police state, Big brother as a poor fascimile for the God. Enjoy your "minute of hate" against the rest of us for time is not on your side.



This is not work of God or any nation. It is your work.

[Barrymore]

The candidate in presidents of France, centrist Emmanuel macron has threatened the EU with France's withdrawal from the Union if the Union will not agree to the reform. "At the same time, we must look at the situation, to listen to our people and to the fact that they are very angry today..., disturbed functioning of the EU is no longer good", - said the politician.
Macron believes that his side will be "betrayal" to allow the EU to continue to function in the same form. Such statements Makron probably finally cut the ground from under the feet of Marie Le pen.

[iCEBREAKER]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

[Okurkabinladin]

The candidate in presidents of France, centrist Emmanuel macron has threatened the EU with France's withdrawal from the Union if the Union will not agree to the reform. "At the same time, we must look at the situation, to listen to our people and to the fact that they are very angry today..., disturbed functioning of the EU is no longer good", - said the politician.
Macron believes that his side will be "betrayal" to allow the EU to continue to function in the same form. Such statements Makron probably finally cut the ground from under the feet of Marie Le pen.

Unfortunately, Mr. Macron also threatened entire eastern flank of the EU to prove that he is a big boy. Addressing state of emergency in his own country is below him as is slow rapture of its welfare system - France already has second highest taxation of working class in developed world. Instead of Islamic State or domestic political crisis he points his manly sword to... Poland.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/28/france-s-macron-wants-sanctions-on-poland-others-for-violating-eu-principles

I am not sure, how the french voters will interpret this, but I certainly know how eastern Europe will react to impotent threats, not to mention ever increasing window for russian diplomacy in its former colonies. For criticizing those like Le Pen and Trump, Social Justice Warriors certainly seem to have gift for isolating themselves from any possible allies.

[criptix]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

well if this table is true i can understand why he doesnt fear the creation of the french caliphate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#By_country

the african nations with the highest immigrants are:

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia. let me try to remember... oh all three nations that were french colonies not so long ago. rekt...
(ever asked yourself why muricans have indian reservations?)

[Okurkabinladin]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?  

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

well if this table is true i can understand why he doesnt fear the creation of the french caliphate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#By_country

the african nations with the highest immigrants are:

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia. let me try to remember... oh all three nations that were french colonies not so long ago. rekt...
(ever asked yourself why muricans have indian reservations?)

I have no idea how exactly is your information supposed to "rekt" fact that France is slowly spiraling into civil war, because of its failed domestic policies and lost values.

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia are islamic countries. They been islamized and arabized between eight and eleven century AD.



Dont tell me, that you thought until today african means black and christian... in fact there is ongoing religious and culture war raging over the continent as we speak.

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

MaDoom got one thing right. France has changed. Because people who have founded it are slowly dying out, while the newcomers dont even call it France anymore. Faith forms culture and culture forms civilization.

[criptix]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

well if this table is true i can understand why he doesnt fear the creation of the french caliphate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#By_country

the african nations with the highest immigrants are:

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia. let me try to remember... oh all three nations that were french colonies not so long ago. rekt...
(ever asked yourself why muricans have indian reservations?)

I have no idea how exactly is your information supposed to "rekt" fact that France is slowly spiraling into civil war, because of its failed domestic policies and lost values.

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia are islamic countries. They been islamized and arabized between eight and eleven century AD.



Dont tell me, that you thought until today african means black and christian... in fact there is ongoing religious and culture war raging over the continent as we speak.

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE, it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them.

http://www.newsweek.com/16-french-citizens-support-isis-poll-finds-266795

you just misunderstood what i wrote.

Being former colonies of france made it very easy for the population of said colonies to immigrate to french. that was my point.

im not really sure if i want to read newsweek articles (DORIAN NAKAMOTO IS SATOSHI FOR SURE)... they are even worst then the dailysuck.... 

ugh on top of that they are using a russian .gov sponsored poll... so what methodology did they use?


@outbreeding
please show me some verifiable statistics. most studies i read point out that usually in the 2nd to 3rd generation most immigrants have around the same birth rate as the natives. (e.g. look at the demographics of turks in germany)

[Okurkabinladin]

Criptix,

point taken, it wasnt clear at first, so thank you for clarification on your stance, friend.

I have shared newsweek precisely for its left liberal bias, so nobody can attack the poll as being "manipulation of xenophobes". Just liberals asking their new neighbours what they think about ISIS.

We have been all worked up about syrian civil conflict in the recent years, but in decade or two, there might be another religious war - this time in formerly western country possesing nuclear warheads and power plants. And it wont be war among immigrants and old timers. Since majority of both radical leftists/communists and islamists are bred domestically already and have french passports.

Why do I care? One thing I hate more than indiscriminate warfare is indiscriminate warfare on my own backyard. No European country (with their already heavily taxed people and overextended welfare systems) will stay intact, if its key country fills sea with blood.

[criptix]

Criptix,

point taken, it wasnt clear at first, so thank you for clarification on your stance, friend.

I have shared newsweek precisely for its left liberal bias, so nobody can attack the poll as being "manipulation of xenophobes". Just liberals asking their new neighbours what they think about ISIS.

We have been all worked up about syrian civil conflict in the recent years, but in decade or two, there might be another religious war - this time in formerly western country possesing nuclear warheads and power plants. And it wont be war among immigrants and old timers. Since majority of both radical leftists/communists and islamists are bred domestically already and have french passports.

Why do I care? One thing I hate more than indiscriminate warfare is indiscriminate warfare on my own backyard. No European country (with their already heavily taxed people and overextended welfare systems) will stay intact, if its key country fills sea with blood.

i think thats excatly the point where left and right just cross each other.

we know there is a problem with muslims/islam we just dont see it as huge as the right. they arent the end of the world or of europe(an culture).

A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of Men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand! Men of the West!

today we can fight for our values with words. we can make arguments why our values are good and why some values of the islamic world are terrible.

and if its about ISIS then we also have huge bombs.

[Okurkabinladin]

Huge bombs are an option for men, who can make difference between friend and foe. Great option. But when your own cities turn into battlefields it might not be so easy anymore as we are seeing in Syria today. In fact, nobody can give you guarantee that in such case, bad guys wont take those bombs for themselves. Alas, culture war has more in common with trench warfare, than to Blitzkrieg.

Outbreeding.

What a nasty topic, eh? When you assume that second and third generation immigrants fall into pattern of their surrounding, you are perfectly right.

But we are not talking about immigration here. In multicultural society such as that of France those immigrants fall into patterns of their particular culture. I will not show you data on France, since that country forbade by law gathering and sharing of such information. Thats why support for ISIS came as such a shock for authorities.

This is not Newsweek, so you might rather: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/28/support-isis-stronger-arabic-social-media-europe-us-than-syria

Countries, that are multiethnic, BUT have strong Leitkultur (and thus perspective for stability) do gather such data. However, nowhere do secularists come close to religous people in terms of birthrates. Not in Israel, Russia, United States, China or Turkey. I am not targeting Islam here, Christianity or Hinduism is just as competetive in terms of demographics... and electorate growth as its children mature.

Secularism as Leitmotif, while certainly noble doesnt seem to have lasting impact in competition with dogmatic religions as it is unable to atleast replace its own populations death rates. You could of course argue, that not all Christians or Muslims will observe their faith. Yet, none all secularists will fancy atheism forever either.

This is forecast for planet as whole, so immigration status can be counted out   if you are interested for data on particular country (USA and Russia being the easiest) I can look for you. France is stricly forbidding such research.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/04/03/world/social-issues-world/christian-population-largest-fast-growing-muslim-ranks-may-catch-2050-pew-study/#.WQfKJsmLqUk

[iCEBREAKER]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

well if this table is true i can understand why he doesnt fear the creation of the french caliphate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#By_country

the african nations with the highest immigrants are:

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia. let me try to remember... oh all three nations that were french colonies not so long ago. rekt...
(ever asked yourself why muricans have indian reservations?)

I am well aware of the history of French colonialism, just like most people with a decent education.  But thanks for confirming your status as a Social Justice Warrior. 

You are framing a trivial bit of common knowledge as if it constituted some sort of game-changing Gotcha that justifies the abandonment of France and destruction/replacement of French people/culture.

Get the fact you are a fucking pleb through your thick transnational progressive propaganda infected head, and don't ever try to chuck some random thing you just learned at me as if I haven't known it since high school.

Your red herring about "why muricans have indian reservations" is beyond asinine, as I am a card-carrying member of a BIA federally recognized tribe whose ancestors survived the Trail of Tears and Apache Wars.

If Le Pen wins, don't forget your easiest option to stop the ride and get off this terribly indecent and horribly intolerant planet:

[popcorn1]

France you have 2 choices .

Choice 1.Vote Macron and follow the EU and prop up 15 countries who have no money plus one day they will just focus on another country and let your country rot because they cannot keep focusing on 1 country.

Some other part of the EU will need new buildings jobs and so on so that means you will be fronting the bills to do this while all along your country gets more immigrants to abuse your peoples and your cities will fall apart .

Also Macron says he will let the immigrants go straight on to the UK .
An act of WAR.

Dude...
Aren't you one of those morons who wanted the UK out of the EU?

And when the next France president says "well we'll stop PAYING for keeping migrants who wants to go in UK in France" you're saying it's an act of war? 

Don't you see a little hypocrisy here? xD

You're out of the EU. We're no longer allies. Why should WE keep YOUR borders?

Aren't you one of those morons ..Now let me show you who the moron IS ..

The Migrants have already landed in a country FRANCE..
Now how do you know some of those MIGRANTS that want to come to the UK are not the ENEMY.
Like Syrians who we have bombed..?

Now they land in France .France is suppose to check who they are before they let them in FRANCE.
And check before they leave France..

And also when a refugee or migrant ask for asylum they ask the country they land in..

YOU FRANCE LET THEM ALL GO TO CALAIS .I.E the EU..MAMA MERKEL..So you deal with it..

It's like migrants in the UK and WE say go on just go to France and do what you want..
Thousands and thousands of them..And without knowing who they are..NOT RIGHT..

They are in France you keep them ..

Now about the EU..What's getting out of the EU got to do WITH THE PEOPLE?..<DUMB ASS.

The EU is THE ELITE YOU THICK SHIT..Not your average french person just like me ..

We are slaves to the EU ELITE..YOU THICK SHIT..

Derrrr they take our taxes and tell us what to do with OUR OWN HARD MONEY..
Not their money but MY TAXES..

DOES THIS HAPPEN YOU DUMB ASS..?

Jean-Claude Juncker and all the CRONIES OF THE EU..Do they all put there hands in there pockets
and pay for the EU..Or is it me out my taxes?..

Plus i didn't EVEN VOTE FOR THEM.....WHO ARE THEY..?

POLITICAL GANGSTERS ..THIEVING POLITICIANS..

EU 'losing £4 billion of taxpayer cash to fraud' - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics
17 Apr 2013 - Peers on the European Union Select Committee found fraud against the taxpayer could be up to 12 times worse than Brussels officials will .

Corruption costs EU 'up to €990 billion a year' – POLITICO
www.politico.eu/.../corruption-costs-eu-990-billion-year-rand-study-fraud-funding/
22 Mar 2016 - The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament .


BUT JUST CARRY ON LETTING UN ELECTED POLITICIANS ROB YOU SILLY..

Now what i just told you what as it got to do with an average french person..
Can i not still love the FRENCH?.

I mean i am trying to SAVE THE FRENCH..UNLIKE YOU ..
You want the bankers and the like to carry on making money while the poor suffer..
And you want the immigrants to rape and turn you into an islamic nutter..

Now i can safely say it's you who now looks the MORON       MORON

Getting out the EU is not about hating the EUROPEAN PEOPLES..It's about something you need to learn about..It's because your the moron you have no CLUE..

[popcorn1]

A question you must ask yourselves..

When you vote in your own countries election do you really TRUST your politician you voted for?..

Then why would you vote for a parliament like the EU with 1 thousand politicians from another country
to put your trust in them..

If you cannot even TRUST your own politician why on earth would you trust a politician from another country who you know nothing about and never even voted for him or her..

ARE PEOPLE SO STUPID..Our own politicians rob us ..

BUT i suppose one you know nothing about will do the right thing for a foreigner .
Even though your own politician wont..

The EU is about big business keeping the worker bees using there shit..
Even though they know it causes there own people to suffer they don't care they just want the money..

Railways with immigrants will always be full .Keeps making money for the railway bosses pockets..

Hospitals will always be full ..We suffer over crowding and under funding not good for the natives who need a hospital..

So who benefits with IMMIGRATION ..?

[popcorn1]

I call it the conveyor belt of shit..Let me explain..

Big business..
The EU are for big business and just want people as slaves..
The Eu politicians get paid tribune by big businesses and promise of big pay jobs for favours..
They even do speeches for 100s of thousands of pounds even though they got fired from there political jobs.  TRIBUNE SPEECH  For the favours they done for big business..

Now about immigrants..

GAS COMPANY ..ELECTRIC COMPANY ,RAILWAY COMPANY . MEDICINE COMPANY.
I could go on BUT i am sure you can think of companies which people NEED TO USE..YES NEED TO USE..

Now what they do is keep the flow of people so EVEN though mary lived in the country all her life
they will always be someone to fill her spot..
Paying gas paying electricity using railways to go to work and so on .

Now when mary fails in life and because of all the cuts in social funding another immigrants waiting to fill her spot..
So they say to mary without any thought get out and go and live on the street because we got many a many immigrants who will fill your spot..

So the EU and big business suck all the money up because YOU NEED TO USE THERE COMPANIES you cannot avoid them..Like gas broadband electric railway..

And this is what the EU want you to support..
Forget about social care just if you fail another immigrants waiting to take your place..

conveyor belt of shit..

And that's all you are to the EU is                       SHIT SLAVES ON A CONVEYOR BELT..

Now also what people must remember ..
If a immigrant gets a good job then it's likely he will get his family in the next job available in his work place..
Remember it's mostly who you know with JOBS..Dad gets his son in his work place and so on..

BUT the EU don't care they just want the MONEY MONEY MONEY..

And then France is no more..IT'S A CONVEYOR BELT OF SHIT..For the EU to rule over..

[Sithara007]

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

That is alarming. This also means that a majority of the Muslims in France are supporting the ISIS. Considering that the Muslims are around 30% of the population in France, this poll means that more than half of them are solidly behind the ISIS.

[mainpmf]

Aren't you one of those morons ..Now let me show you who the moron IS ..

The Migrants have already landed in a country FRANCE..
Now how do you know some of those MIGRANTS that want to come to the UK are not the ENEMY.
Like Syrians who we have bombed..?

We don't know, but as I said you're no longer our allies, why shoudl we care?

Now they land in France .France is suppose to check who they are before they let them in FRANCE.
And check before they leave France..

And also when a refugee or migrant ask for asylum they ask the country they land in..

YOU FRANCE LET THEM ALL GO TO CALAIS .I.E the EU..MAMA MERKEL..So you deal with it..

It's like migrants in the UK and WE say go on just go to France and do what you want..
Thousands and thousands of them..And without knowing who they are..NOT RIGHT..

They are in France you keep them ..

That's stupid, most of them are illegal migrants, we have no control whatsoever on them, that's a bit the reason why it's so controversial xD

-hateful shit-

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

[mainpmf]

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

That is alarming. This also means that a majority of the Muslims in France are supporting the ISIS. Considering that the Muslims are around 30% of the population in France, this poll means that more than half of them are solidly behind the ISIS.

That's not alarming, that false.
16% of French support Islamic state...
Dude how could that be possible? There isn't even 7% Muslims in France...

30% of the population xD
That's just... Ridiculous.

[mainpmf]

Cause of course SOME OF THEM are migrants, but most of them have been French for generation, they only have the French nationality, saying "send them back to their country" just means send they back to France cause they were born in France, their parents were born in France and so were their great parents...

Most of them may have been born in France, but they don't feel that France is their home country. I have even seen third generation immigrants supporting Algeria and Tunisia during the football matches against the French team. Similar to the situation in USA, where third generation Hispanics support Mexico in matches against the US.

And even if it's true, what then? That doesn't answer my question.

You say "deport them"
I ask: where?

[markj113]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

[Okurkabinladin]

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

That is alarming. This also means that a majority of the Muslims in France are supporting the ISIS. Considering that the Muslims are around 30% of the population in France, this poll means that more than half of them are solidly behind the ISIS.

That's not alarming, that false.
16% of French support Islamic state...
Dude how could that be possible? There isn't even 7% Muslims in France...

30% of the population xD
That's just... Ridiculous.

Can I ask you where did you get information about number of muslims in France? Since such research is forbidden by law in France itself.

Unofficial data give around 15% or 9 million people in country of sixty million. It was around 1% just four decades ago. Just interested in your source.

United Nations predict that by 2050 around one in nine Europeans will be muslim - however ignoring the fact, that while places like Poland, Hungary or Ukraine (home to tens of millions) have virtually no muslim population to speak of, in places like France they could reach majority, even without war sweeping legislature towards Sharia law through democratic elections like we are witnessing in Turkey.

[craked5]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

[Barrymore]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

Nobody has checked NATO combat capability. It is theoretically the most powerful military Alliance, but where is the guarantee that in case of conflict, all countries will fulfill their obligations. Who can now predict the behaviour of Turkey? She is also a member of NATO.

[markj113]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

The EU didnt exist last time the UK people laid down their lives fighting for France either.

[Barrymore]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

The EU didnt exist last time the UK people laid down their lives for fighting for France either.

When was this? You are referring to world war 2? Then fought not only soldiers from the United Kingdom. The anti-Hitler coalition was part of the United States, the Soviet Union. Why do you think they are not. But the French surrendered and offered no resistance. For me it is an eternal disgrace to France.

[mainpmf]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

They have different alliance treaties.
But most countries aren't allies of France, they're "friends".
Let's say we just have friendly relationships but no engagement whatsoever.

[mainpmf]

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

That is alarming. This also means that a majority of the Muslims in France are supporting the ISIS. Considering that the Muslims are around 30% of the population in France, this poll means that more than half of them are solidly behind the ISIS.

That's not alarming, that false.
16% of French support Islamic state...
Dude how could that be possible? There isn't even 7% Muslims in France...

30% of the population xD
That's just... Ridiculous.

Can I ask you where did you get information about number of muslims in France? Since such research is forbidden by law in France itself.

Unofficial data give around 15% or 9 million people in country of sixty million. It was around 1% just four decades ago. Just interested in your source.

United Nations predict that by 2050 around one in nine Europeans will be muslim - however ignoring the fact, that while places like Poland, Hungary or Ukraine (home to tens of millions) have virtually no muslim population to speak of, in places like France they could reach majority, even without war sweeping legislature towards Sharia law through democratic elections like we are witnessing in Turkey.

Easy, you just write "nombre musulmans France" and you'll get whatever source you want.

You want a right wing newspaper?
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2016/12/14/01016-20161214ARTFIG00214-la-population-musulmane-largement-surestimee-en-france.php

You want a leftwing newspaper?
http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2016/03/21/non-il-n-y-a-pas-25-d-ados-musulmans-en-france_1440494

You want Wikipedia?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nombre_de_musulmans_par_pays

None of them are talking about more than 8% max...

Can I ask you where did you get information about number of muslims in France? Since such research is forbidden by law in France itself.

False,
it's forbiden to ask for the religion in the national census.
It doesn't mean you can't make studies about the religion.
The difference is that in countries like USA, declaration of religious beliefs is part of the national census so you can have a very precise number while in France it will be private or academic studies.

[mainpmf]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

The EU didnt exist last time the UK people laid down their lives fighting for France either.

Lol yeah but they had a special alliance treaty at that time...
Ever heard of the Allies against the Axe?
That was not just a name, they were actual allies. Since then EU replaced those alliance. They left EU without trying to make new alliances so... Actually we're no longer allies. That doesn't mean we hate them and want to destroy the UK, that just means we're no longer official allies.

[markj113]

Then stop coming to us looking for money and stand on your own feet.

[mainpmf]

Then stop coming to us looking for money and stand on your own feet.

When did French started looking for money to the UK? Oo

[markj113]

Then stop coming to us looking for money and stand on your own feet.

When did French started looking for money to the UK? Oo

So the French want nothing just every other country after a divorce payment then lol.

Every time an EU member opens their mouth the only thing that comes out is a Euro figure for what they think we owe them to leave.

They never mention what % of EU assests the UK owns from all the money we have thrown in the pot over the years.

Considering is around double what france pays in and we are the 2nd largest contributer I would imagine its a substantial amount.



I hope France and Germany are ready to plug that big budget black hole when we walk away

[mainpmf]

Then stop coming to us looking for money and stand on your own feet.

When did French started looking for money to the UK? Oo

So the French want nothing just every other country after a divorce payment then lol.

Every time an EU member opens their mouth the only thing that comes out is a Euro figure for what they think we owe them to leave.

They never mention what % of EU assests the UK owns from all the money we have thrown in the pot over the years.

Considering is around double what france pays in and we are the 2nd largest contributer I would imagine its a substantial amount.



I hope France and Germany are ready to plug that big budget black hole when we walk away

I still don't understand...
What are we exactly asking to the UK? We're not asking for any kind of money or whatever. You made large contribution to the EU no objection, and so? You agreed to. Now you left and you won't pay anymore, sure no problem. It's not like we're hoping you'll continue to contribute, nobody is asking you that.

So please explain us what exactly we're looking for.
Or are you talking about the 10billion every year you'll have to pay in order to leave?

But man that's... That's just perfectly normal and you agreed to it when you entered!
Imagine you're making a partnership between 20 people. You all agree to go to vacations and pay largely in advance so you pay less. You make all your plans, you advance the money and all... And then suddenly one of the 20 says "no I don't want to go anymore". Would you find normal that he pays nothing?

Same for you. You want to leave? Fine. But you'll have to pay for what has already been planned that's all and that's logical.

[markj113]

I still don't understand...
What are we exactly asking to the UK? We're not asking for any kind of money or whatever. You made large contribution to the EU no objection, and so? You agreed to. Now you left and you won't pay anymore, sure no problem. It's not like we're hoping you'll continue to contribute, nobody is asking you that.

So please explain us what exactly we're looking for.
Or are you talking about the 10billion every year you'll have to pay in order to leave?

But man that's... That's just perfectly normal and you agreed to it when you entered!
Imagine you're making a partnership between 20 people. You all agree to go to vacations and pay largely in advance so you pay less. You make all your plans, you advance the money and all... And then suddenly one of the 20 says "no I don't want to go anymore". Would you find normal that he pays nothing?

Same for you. You want to leave? Fine. But you'll have to pay for what has already been planned that's all and that's logical.

Taking your holiday example - if one person decides to drop out they loose the money paid to that point e.g a deposit and the remaining people have to pay more if they wish to continue (Still getting the holiday cheaper due to forfeited funds).  People do not continue to pay for something they are no longer part of.

If I join a gym and several years down the line I decide to leave that gym as detailed in the contract I am not expected to continue to pay for the next decade.

What is the 50 billion being spent on?  if its infrastructure projects yet to take place you cancel them if you cant afford them anymore.

In a marriage when one partner decides to leave then a financial settlement is made but also the assets contributed towards during that relationship are also split are they not?

Why does the EU think the UK should chuck them 50 billion for nothing in return.

If the EU wishes to continue open trade with the UK (which I assume they will as we import more than we export) then its in the EU's best interest not to block it.

[craked5]

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

What a load of bollocks.

So the US, Australia etc also not allies as they arent in the EU?

That's not the point! US, Australia etc have never been in the EU so there status is different!

Here to put it simply, UK were close allies to France and they decided to get rid of the links between them.
The only alliance still going between France and UK if I'm not mistaken is the NATO treaty.

Not exactly what you would call close alliance... Merely a defense treaty.
But it's true that you can't get rid of history with just one decision. I don't think it changes the way the two countries will negociate. At least for now.

The EU didnt exist last time the UK people laid down their lives fighting for France either.

Nope but there was another alliance at that time.

Today why should France still consider UK as an ally?
I mean what have we in common? We share neither value or ideals, and we don't even have a treaty...

[markj113]

Nope but there was another alliance at that time.

Today why should France still consider UK as an ally?
I mean what have we in common? We share neither value or ideals, and we don't even have a treaty...

Perhaps you are correct.

You seem to be happier and have more in common with your muslim invaders and German overlords.  Your "ideals" seem to involve bending over and taking it from Germany and doing what you are told (for the second time, this time it did not require a shot fired)

The French always were spineless, the British not so much.  You seem to have no issues blocking ports when your spitting your dummies out but for some reason find it impossible to have any control of your borders allowing floods of illegal immigrants to create the Calais Jungle for example.

Enjoy your descent in chaos as more are raped and killed by your new guests, dont worry though you can just light up the eiffel tower in pretty colours again to morn the next batch of terrorist deaths while the snowflakes broadcast how wonderful and peaceful Islam is.

And dont forget nearly half your country wants to join the UK and leave the EU as the recent election shows.  

[Bibite]

French citizens have to choose between AIDS and CANCER 

[Okurkabinladin]

According to western liberal media. 16% of french support ISLAMIC STATE (not Islam or particular customs mind you, but genocidal state already existing in the middle East), it is closer to 27% among those younger than 18, reflecting the fact, that religious people do have far more children than their secular counterparts. Outbreeding them. Then you come along and tell me, that caliphate in France is non-option, because... why exactly not? Do you think those people cannot use voting booths?

That is alarming. This also means that a majority of the Muslims in France are supporting the ISIS. Considering that the Muslims are around 30% of the population in France, this poll means that more than half of them are solidly behind the ISIS.

That's not alarming, that false.
16% of French support Islamic state...
Dude how could that be possible? There isn't even 7% Muslims in France...

30% of the population xD
That's just... Ridiculous.

Can I ask you where did you get information about number of muslims in France? Since such research is forbidden by law in France itself.

Unofficial data give around 15% or 9 million people in country of sixty million. It was around 1% just four decades ago. Just interested in your source.

United Nations predict that by 2050 around one in nine Europeans will be muslim - however ignoring the fact, that while places like Poland, Hungary or Ukraine (home to tens of millions) have virtually no muslim population to speak of, in places like France they could reach majority, even without war sweeping legislature towards Sharia law through democratic elections like we are witnessing in Turkey.

Easy, you just write "nombre musulmans France" and you'll get whatever source you want.

You want a right wing newspaper?
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2016/12/14/01016-20161214ARTFIG00214-la-population-musulmane-largement-surestimee-en-france.php

You want a leftwing newspaper?
http://www.liberation.fr/desintox/2016/03/21/non-il-n-y-a-pas-25-d-ados-musulmans-en-france_1440494

You want Wikipedia?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nombre_de_musulmans_par_pays

None of them are talking about more than 8% max...

Can I ask you where did you get information about number of muslims in France? Since such research is forbidden by law in France itself.

False,
it's forbiden to ask for the religion in the national census.
It doesn't mean you can't make studies about the religion.
The difference is that in countries like USA, declaration of religious beliefs is part of the national census so you can have a very precise number while in France it will be private or academic studies.

Thank you. So research for "private" purposes is possible and lets say that in politically correct place such as France there still something as genuine as mainstream, left or right wing newspaper  

So muslims make up 8% of french population, yes?

Can you then also find some information why 60-70% of imprisoned people in France have muslim beliefs? Do inmates convert en masse while in prison or is muslim population far more likely to clash with law and order?

By the way sociologists mentioned in the article estimated muslim population at around 12% back in 2008... but I guess, thats all we have. Estimates...

Thank you in advance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/28/ST2008042802857.html?tid=a_inl

[popcorn1]

Aren't you one of those morons ..Now let me show you who the moron IS ..

The Migrants have already landed in a country FRANCE..
Now how do you know some of those MIGRANTS that want to come to the UK are not the ENEMY.
Like Syrians who we have bombed..?

We don't know, but as I said you're no longer our allies, why shoudl we care?

Now they land in France .France is suppose to check who they are before they let them in FRANCE.
And check before they leave France..

And also when a refugee or migrant ask for asylum they ask the country they land in..

YOU FRANCE LET THEM ALL GO TO CALAIS .I.E the EU..MAMA MERKEL..So you deal with it..

It's like migrants in the UK and WE say go on just go to France and do what you want..
Thousands and thousands of them..And without knowing who they are..NOT RIGHT..

They are in France you keep them ..

That's stupid, most of them are illegal migrants, we have no control whatsoever on them, that's a bit the reason why it's so controversial xD

-hateful shit-

Just saying: you're no longer in the EU = you're no longer an allie = why should we protect you in any way?

why should we protect you in any way?..IT'S THE UK PROTECTING THE WHOLE OF THE   EU..

If we stopped our AID france would get eaten alive..

British aid to refugees smashes through £1BILLION as ... - Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../How-Britain-given-aid-refugees-Germany-Netherlands-Franc...
4 Sep 2015 - The figure is much higher than the £633million paid by Germany, and dwarfs the likes of France (£70million), Spain (£21million) and Hungary (£485,000).

70 MILLION FRANCE GIVES refugees ..

mainpmf you call the UK but we are way way better than France in always..
Smarter richer and would win you always in war ALWAYS..

So you thank your lucky stars it's we the British who help you..

Try playing with us British it will be fun..

Britain is the 'world's second-most powerful country' beating China ...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../britain-is-the-worlds-second-most-powerful-country-beatin...
31 Dec 2016 - THE UK is more powerful than Russia and China, an influential study has found. Britain defied its larger rivals to be named the world’s second-most powerful nation in the European Geostrategy report. ... Trailing in third, fourth and fifth were France, China and Russia - only good .
Researchers at European Geostrategy broke global powers down into four categories: Super Power, Global Power, Regional Power and Local Power.

The United States took the top slot as the world’s super power, while Britain took the only Global Power slot, bringing her in second behind America.


 
Regional powers include France, India and Germany, while local powers were those such as Italy, Brazil, and Turkey.

The organisation European Geostrategy rate the United Kingdom as a global power, they define this as:

“A country lacking the heft or comprehensive attributes of a superpower, but still with a wide international footprint and [military] means to reach most geopolitical theatres, particularly the Middle East, South-East Asia, East Asia, Africa and South America.”

ukgpThe British Armed Forces comprise the Royal Navy, a blue-water navy with a comprehensive and advanced fleet; the Royal Marines, a highly specialised amphibious light infantry force; the British Army, the UK’s principal land warfare force; and the Royal Air Force, with a diverse operational fleet consisting of modern fixed-wing and rotary aircraft.   

The country is a major participant in NATO and other coalition operations and is also party to the Five Power Defence Arrangements. Recent operations have included Afghanistan and Iraq, peacekeeping operations in the Balkans and Cyprus, intervention in Libya and again operations over Iraq and Syria.

Overseas defence facilities are maintained at Ascension Island, Belize, Brunei, Canada, Diego Garcia, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Kenya, Bahrain and Cyprus.

The UK still retains considerable economic, cultural, military, scientific and political influence internationally. It’s a recognised nuclear weapons state and its defence budget ranks fifth or sixth in the world. The country has been a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council since its inception.


UK 'to give France €20 million extra' to stop migrants and refugees ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
3 Mar 2016 - UK 'to give France €20 million extra' to stop migrants and refugees ... Calais refugees 'will be allowed to reach UK' in event of Brexit ... an end to the 2003 treaty which de facto moves the UK border to the ... with its near neighbour if the Brexit camp won the June referendum. .... Firefox Tracking Protection.

WE PAY PEOPLE TO DO SHIT..LIKE YOU FRANCE ..WHO ARE IN NEED OF JOBS..
And have been in the EU and still doing POO i mean if the EU is so good why is france doing SHIT..

YOUR QUOTE BELOW..
 we have no control whatsoever on them, that's a bit the reason why it's so controversial xD
                         ^
And that's why the FRENCH PEOPLE WANT LE PEN TO WIN..
And you can thank the EU for France having no control over the immigration explosion..

You attack the UK your coming 1 way the country you come from..
We attack you and we will come from every angle around the GLOBE..GLOBAL POWER..

People love us around the world..Just the EU don't at the moment because you want our money so much.NOW BUZZ OFF ..IT'S OUR MONEY

It's funny the EU even making threats to the UK  ..

When i voted out ..It meant saying good buy to the EU GANGSTERS ..
Now if you want to be a slave then you carry on ..
BUT WE ARE OUT..OUR OWN LAWS..And if immigrants abuse our hospitality then we can kick them out as fast as they landed..EU takes us 10 years to get rid of bad immigrants..

It's not about shutting our doors it's about control..
You know like a football stadium fill it to much and you got trouble..
Same with immigrants all welcome like a football stadium BUT if to full you need to close the doors..
Same in a night club ..To full you close the doors..No discrimination just too FULL..
So you spoil the PARTY if to FULL..

[popcorn1]

France the UK we have many many cities with immigrants with no jobs
many many a muslim without a job living in the UK and france..

Our governments know the poor immigrant areas around our countries..
So why invite even more instead of making sure the ones in our poor areas making sure they get jobs..
Many a Muslim you are left out who have been born in the uk and France .
But they still let more and more in ..

Now if it's a open world people go to and fro and can live anywhere they want .
Then why join an ARMY to fight for your country ?..

It's not your country it's any ones country then and your so called country cares the same for an immigrant.
SO WHY FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY..Your country is not fighting for you..

Now then why not just fight for yourself and no one else Your government don't care the people around you don't care so why not just fight for yourself   and don't care about your fellow man..

I find it very CHEEKY of our governments to expect us to die for our country but our country wont do nothing for it's people over an immigrant..

Now if we have WAR most immigrants would flee back to the country they come from they are only here for MONEY..
But our governments treat them the same SOMETIMES EVEN BETTER THAN THE NATIVES ..

I would never ever put my child in the ARMY..To line someones pockets for my child's life NO WAY..

Now if you invaded my country my whole family would pick up arms and fight..
But then the way our government are cutting everything and the way they treat immigrants better than the natives ..
i THINK I WILL JUST FLEE..And say fuck you UK for treating immigrants better let them join the ARMY..

[Lancusters]

The candidate in presidents of France from the party "the Republicans" Francois Fillon, who have not passed the second round of elections, announced that he leaves the party and leaves politics. This Fillon said at a meeting with voters and party members in the Paris House of chemistry

[popcorn1]

Like this a black women with 3 children needing a home been waiting 4 years to get a place from the council..
See much safer in a council home landlord can kick you out at anytime going private.
So people like to get on the council property YOU HAVE MORE RIGHTS..

Now this UK BORN BLACK WOMEN waiting for a home with 3 children she lost the chance to get on the council property over preference for an IRAQI immigrant ..
They give the home to the immigrant .

And this is going on and on even people homeless are getting left out over preference over an immigrant..
Now France if you ask me YOU HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM with immigration..
And still you do no checks..

Why haven't we got a system where everyone needs a work card to get a job and the government issues
these work cards..

I have to have a CSCS card when i work i need to show my ID..
But IMMIGRANTS DON'T..
I have to carry a government issued card to work or i cannot work..
And i lived here all my live and so have my parents parents parents lived in the UK..

IF I NEED A CARD TO WORK..SO SHOULD AN IMMIGRANT..
And if an employer is found eploying someone without a card they get fined and even possible prison
and business shut down..

I HAVE TO CARRY A CARD..SO DON'T COMPLAIN..And i am a native of my country..

[popcorn1]

The only way you will ever be able to compete with the UK is getting out of the EU..
Then maybe the French people have a chance..

Macron warns leaving the EU will kill French farming | Daily Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article.../Macron-warns-leaving-EU-kill-French-farming.htm...
4 days ago - Macron told farmers leaving the EU would spell the end of French ... He laid flowers at the scene of the killings alongside survivor Robert

BUT STAYING IN THE EU IS ACTUALLY KILLING YOUR FARMERS..

Hundreds of French farmers killing themselves every year | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
28 Feb 2016 - Campaigners have warned that 600 agricultural workers kill themselves every year amid growing concern about suicide in France. The decrease in pay that has come from food prices being lowered has played a contributing role in the high rate of suicide in the industry.


THE EU is so good your FARMERS are killing themselves and Macron says going out will kill french farming.
So if your a farmer your dead no matter which way you turn according to Macron .

Now you are in the EU already and farmers are killing themselves so why not get out and try the other.
Your dying in the EU so what difference will it make to have ago out the EU..

 Macron told farmers leaving the EU would spell the end of French farmers .
So why are so many killing themselves NOW   you are in the EU..?

Maybe he wants to crash the farmers   buy up the land and build on it him and his banker buddies ..
Well you never know ..

VOTE LE PEN ..She will give France it's country back..

Macron will destroy it and then the elite will buy it all up..
And then charge you rip off rent.. WELL YOU NEVER KNOW .

VOTE LE PEN..

[craked5]

Nope but there was another alliance at that time.

Today why should France still consider UK as an ally?
I mean what have we in common? We share neither value or ideals, and we don't even have a treaty...

Perhaps you are correct.

You seem to be happier and have more in common with your muslim invaders and German overlords.  Your "ideals" seem to involve bending over and taking it from Germany and doing what you are told (for the second time, this time it did not require a shot fired)

Your opinion here. You talk about muslim invaders we know we got only 7% and most of them are from our former colonies.

The French always were spineless, the British not so much.

Lol, wanna see the number of victories and defeats in UK/France wars?

You seem to have no issues blocking ports when your spitting your dummies out but for some reason find it impossible to have any control of your borders allowing floods of illegal immigrants to create the Calais Jungle for example.

More than 5 000 km of borders, wanna us to guard it all? Why? It would cost millions without any reasons. Sorry we prefer to have healthcare free for everyone.

Enjoy your descent in chaos as more are raped and killed by your new guests, dont worry though you can just light up the eiffel tower in pretty colours again to morn the next batch of terrorist deaths while the snowflakes broadcast how wonderful and peaceful Islam is.

Oh we don't worry. Contrary to you it seems we are able to make the difference between facts and emotions. Terrorism deaths in France: about 100 a year. I mean come on, cows kill more people than Islamic terrorism in our country xD
So you want us to spend dozens of millions and get rid of all migrants for a few deaths? Sorry we try to be logical.

And dont forget nearly half your country wants to join the UK and leave the EU as the recent election shows.  

I don't forget that about half of our population is unable to distinguish reality from their own emotions. They're terrified without any reasons. French thinks muslims make about 30% of their population which is just... Beyond stupid.
But you can't do much against stupidity sadly :/

[craked5]

French citizens have to choose between AIDS and CANCER 

Yeah that's a bit the idea.
Sadly Macron and Lepen are both terrible choices...
Macron wants to stay in the EU but doesn't want to change it and EU is pure shit right now.
Lepen wants to leave it without creating a new one which is just as stupid as Macron's idea.

And we can't really talk about national policy as they have none xD

[mainpmf]

-false justification-

I'll put it simply:
Step 1: you sign a contract with lots of terms including one saying that if you want to leave you have to pay 50 billions
Step 2: you leave
Step 3: you pay 50 billions

Is that too difficult to understand?
I feel like UK is acting like a spoiled child crying how unfair it is that the contract THEY SIGNED is being taken into account...

[mainpmf]

Thank you. So research for "private" purposes is possible and lets say that in politically correct place such as France there still something as genuine as mainstream, left or right wing newspaper  

You're welcome. And you seem to think right and left aren't real political notions which makes already a difficult point on which we don't agree ^^

So muslims make up 8% of french population, yes?

Estimated at least. Might be more but saying 30% is beyond stupidity, if there is 30% muslims in France where the fuck are they? xD

Can you then also find some information why 60-70% of imprisoned people in France have muslim beliefs? Do inmates convert en masse while in prison or is muslim population far more likely to clash with law and order?

Oh yeah easy, it's a pure hoax.
Here a little reading:
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/are-70-of-frances-prison-inmates-muslims

To sum it up: the number was from a right winged "sociologist" but even himself NEVER SAID 70%. His estimations are of 40% to the max and every other figures say about 25%

So I'd explain it simply by saying that if you have ONE and ONLY ONE study in the world that gives a figure and all the others that give another.... I'd say the first one is false ^^

But don't misunderstand me, 25% is still 3 to 4 times more than the 7% of the actual population. And so?

[mainpmf]

-hateful shit-

I don't understand why you're so angry.
UK is so better than France? Great, then go on alone no problem for us.
France and French never liked UK any way, our two countries have nearly always been at war and we're different in EVERY WAY, cultural, economical...

I don't understand why you justify yourself, if you think you're so strong then just leave, no one is trying to keep you in ^^

[elsha]

French citizens have to choose between AIDS and CANCER 

It reminds me about recent USA election 

[mainpmf]

French citizens have to choose between AIDS and CANCER 

It reminds me about recent USA election 

Pretty much the same in fact

A crazy nationalist corrupted bitch against a corrupted dog of the banks.

More or less the same as the US elections ^^

[Okurkabinladin]

Thank you. So research for "private" purposes is possible and lets say that in politically correct place such as France there still something as genuine as mainstream, left or right wing newspaper  

You're welcome. And you seem to think right and left aren't real political notions which makes already a difficult point on which we don't agree ^^

So muslims make up 8% of french population, yes?

Estimated at least. Might be more but saying 30% is beyond stupidity, if there is 30% muslims in France where the fuck are they? xD

Can you then also find some information why 60-70% of imprisoned people in France have muslim beliefs? Do inmates convert en masse while in prison or is muslim population far more likely to clash with law and order?

Oh yeah easy, it's a pure hoax.
Here a little reading:
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/are-70-of-frances-prison-inmates-muslims

To sum it up: the number was from a right winged "sociologist" but even himself NEVER SAID 70%. His estimations are of 40% to the max and every other figures say about 25%

So I'd explain it simply by saying that if you have ONE and ONLY ONE study in the world that gives a figure and all the others that give another.... I'd say the first one is false ^^

But don't misunderstand me, 25% is still 3 to 4 times more than the 7% of the actual population. And so?

Well, the thing is Washington Post is liberal left media, why would it spread panic and share information that is not independently researched?

You use the term "right wing" as synonymous for insult, but I understand, that you are one of the few actual french speaking people here. Le Pen is called "right wing" and her program is leftist if I ever saw one.
 "Left wing" in Europe is synonymous for elitist today.

Thank you for clarification.

[sportis]

The only way you will ever be able to compete with the UK is getting out of the EU..
Then maybe the French people have a chance..

Macron warns leaving the EU will kill French farming | Daily Mail Online
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article.../Macron-warns-leaving-EU-kill-French-farming.htm...
4 days ago - Macron told farmers leaving the EU would spell the end of French ... He laid flowers at the scene of the killings alongside survivor Robert

BUT STAYING IN THE EU IS ACTUALLY KILLING YOUR FARMERS..

Hundreds of French farmers killing themselves every year | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
28 Feb 2016 - Campaigners have warned that 600 agricultural workers kill themselves every year amid growing concern about suicide in France. The decrease in pay that has come from food prices being lowered has played a contributing role in the high rate of suicide in the industry.


THE EU is so good your FARMERS are killing themselves and Macron says going out will kill french farming.
So if your a farmer your dead no matter which way you turn according to Macron .

Now you are in the EU already and farmers are killing themselves so why not get out and try the other.
Your dying in the EU so what difference will it make to have ago out the EU..

 Macron told farmers leaving the EU would spell the end of French farmers .
So why are so many killing themselves NOW   you are in the EU..?

Maybe he wants to crash the farmers   buy up the land and build on it him and his banker buddies ..
Well you never know ..

VOTE LE PEN ..She will give France it's country back..

Macron will destroy it and then the elite will buy it all up..
And then charge you rip off rent.. WELL YOU NEVER KNOW .

VOTE LE PEN..

It is difficult according to recent polls but if LePen wins the elections this Sunday and she decides to honor hers pre-election commitments eg to leave from eurozone  then we will see a new banking crisis. That is, there will be a massive withdrawal of deposits in the banks that will lead to bank run and capital controls as in other European countries. And the consequences for the euro as a currency will be incalculable.

[mainpmf]

Well, the thing is Washington Post is liberal left media, why would it spread panic and share information that is not independently researched?

Panic? Saying lots of Muslims are in prison sin't exactly spreading panic! And this is not a political subject so the political orientation isn't important: people hate muslims, they want news saying muslims are all criminals. So they publish this because it makes sells, that's all.

You use the term "right wing" as synonymous for insult,

Because righ wing is synonymous to an economical ideal I do not support at all and I think has been proven wrong ^^

but I understand, that you are one of the few actual french speaking people here.

Indedd.

Le Pen is called "right wing" and her program is leftist if I ever saw one.

Then you've never seen one I guess.
Her "programm" is of 144 propositions.
About 40 of which are about national "protection" which you can translate by kicking out everyone and everything which is not French and add even more security measures than what we already have.
About 30 are propositions to delete taxes on companies, lower them, simplify taxation etc...

That's what you call a right wing programm: security + liberalism for companies...

The only difference is that Lepen adds nationalism to an extent that has never been seen in our country. But that's all. Please find anything "leftist" in her programm ^^

"Left wing" in Europe is synonymous for elitist today.

Sadly yes, lots of people try to label elites as "left wing" which is completely stupid! Left wing is an economical and sociological perspective. People even say that Macron is a "leftist" which is... I don't even have a word for that because Macron si completely right winged. It's just that he doesn't add nationalism to it.

Thank you for clarification.

You're very welcome.

[mainpmf]

It is difficult according to recent polls but if LePen wins the elections this Sunday and she decides to honor hers pre-election commitments eg to leave from eurozone  then we will see a new banking crisis. That is, there will be a massive withdrawal of deposits in the banks that will lead to bank run and capital controls as in other European countries. And the consequences for the euro as a currency will be incalculable.

Is she wins it won't happen because she doesn't want to leave Euro.
She said all and its opposite in the campaign, but her last statements are clear, she want to leave EU as a free zone for personns but not to leave the currency.

[Alexzap]

It seems to me that to remove her parliamentary immunity is a fuse just in case she wins the election. Concerning it criminal case will be brought and it will apply the procedure of impeachment. France will not leave the European Union.

[markj113]

-false justification-

I'll put it simply:
Step 1: you sign a contract with lots of terms including one saying that if you want to leave you have to pay 50 billions
Step 2: you leave
Step 3: you pay 50 billions

Is that too difficult to understand?
I feel like UK is acting like a spoiled child crying how unfair it is that the contract THEY SIGNED is being taken into account...

You are so full of shit.

Find me a copy of that online and post the reference, you wont be able to find it as you are factually incorrect.

This one graph shows exactly why the UK can walk away and not pay you a thing and still continue free trade.

I dont think your German masters are about to risk over £25 billion in annual trades with us :

[Okurkabinladin]

-false justification-

I'll put it simply:
Step 1: you sign a contract with lots of terms including one saying that if you want to leave you have to pay 50 billions
Step 2: you leave
Step 3: you pay 50 billions

Is that too difficult to understand?
I feel like UK is acting like a spoiled child crying how unfair it is that the contract THEY SIGNED is being taken into account...

It is indeed true, that previous rulers of UK did sign something like this? Countries are not corporations, making future generations collectively responsible for terrible judgment of their ancestors sounds like a nightmare.

If it came to divorce between man and woman, what kind of court would say the woman has to pay amount of XY to a man in compensation, if she wants to leave unhappy relationship? It is tantamount to slavery and promise of anything but friendship in the future.

[mainpmf]

-false justification-

I'll put it simply:
Step 1: you sign a contract with lots of terms including one saying that if you want to leave you have to pay 50 billions
Step 2: you leave
Step 3: you pay 50 billions

Is that too difficult to understand?
I feel like UK is acting like a spoiled child crying how unfair it is that the contract THEY SIGNED is being taken into account...

You are so full of shit.

I'd say that reaching such argument is already a proof in itself of who's right and who's wrong ^^

Find me a copy of that online and post the reference, you wont be able to find it as you are factually incorrect.

Art 50 of Lisbonne treaty I guess...

This one graph shows exactly why the UK can walk away and not pay you a thing and still continue free trade.

I dont think your German masters are about to risk over £25 billion in annual trades with us :

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah now we see the British here.

You see what you mean here right? That's just saying "we don't honor our commitment and you can't do anything against it because we import your goods"

So British indeed. So American too.

Right you can use your balance trade as a pressure point, but that doesn't change the fact that, once again, British people won't stand up to their words.

Nothing new though, they never did.

[Xester]

It seems to me that to remove her parliamentary immunity is a fuse just in case she wins the election. Concerning it criminal case will be brought and it will apply the procedure of impeachment. France will not leave the European Union.

Well the election was not yet decided but looking at the odds Marine Le Pen will lost the Presidential Race. If she will not be able to win the presidential seat then it is clear as a day that France will sill be under the umbrella of the European Union. The hopes of all people in France who wanted independence from the union will be laid to waste.

[craked5]

It seems to me that to remove her parliamentary immunity is a fuse just in case she wins the election. Concerning it criminal case will be brought and it will apply the procedure of impeachment. France will not leave the European Union.

Well she really fucked up with all that. She stole MILLIONS both from Europe and France government. It has hardly happened at such scale, it was litteraly organized crime here.
She was the big boss and watched and organized everything. She really deserves the jail.

[Marcus_2017]

Now according to sociologists the Macron and Le pen shares an abyss. 20% of the votes is an insurmountable barrier to Le pen. Today will be the final debate. I think she will lose them and become the President of Markon. Although even if she wins the President will still Makron.

[Okurkabinladin]

Now according to sociologists the Macron and Le pen shares an abyss. 20% of the votes is an insurmountable barrier to Le pen. Today will be the final debate. I think she will lose them and become the President of Markon. Although even if she wins the President will still Makron.

Agreed and I have said so even before first round. Its not so much debate around the program or integrity of the candidates.

It is clear from start, that whoever will enter second round next to Le Pen will automatically muster support of all mainstream media and power elites just to preserve status quo however bad it already is. Only exception being the red Khmer Melénchon but voters ousted him - he was so radical left, that detractors of Le Pen saw him as the bigger threat.

It would be cool if MAINPMF could expand on this issue.

[DooMAD]

This one graph shows exactly why the UK can walk away and not pay you a thing and still continue free trade.

I dont think your German masters are about to risk over £25 billion in annual trades with us :

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah now we see the British here.

You see what you mean here right? That's just saying "we don't honor our commitment and you can't do anything against it because we import your goods"

So British indeed. So American too.

Right you can use your balance trade as a pressure point, but that doesn't change the fact that, once again, British people won't stand up to their words.

Nothing new though, they never did.

If the UK are lacking morally, that's mainly due to the fact that the tory crime syndicate are currently calling the shots, or at least think they are, but the EU are going to walk all over May if she tries to play hardball.  All the tories know how to do is lie, cheat and steal.  My hope is that the general election the UK are having in June will blow up in the tories' faces and that enough of them are arrested that they can't form a majority.  That way, even if the British public are stupid enough to vote for criminals (and sadly, I'm pretty sure they are, just look at popcorn1), at the very least they'll have to form a coalition with one of the other parties who can try to keep them in check.  I think Brexit would go far more smoothly if Labour pulled a miracle out of the bag.  Corbyn is actually more euro-skeptic than the media like to portray, but at least if he were at the helm, the UK would be handling these negotiations with a great deal more dignity and class than crime boss Dona Theresa Mayleone could ever muster.  Never trust a tory.

[popcorn1]

The EU asking for 100 billion WOW..

Now imagine we pay all the pensions 1000 MEPs 

So that mean each MP from the EU gets 100 MILLION PENSION ..

SUCK MY DICK..

A factory workers pension 20k ..THEY WANT 100 MILLION PENSION..
The Eu gangsters FUCK OFF we will not pay you PUSSIES..

Great Britain this is an act of WAR to demand money from our people..
as if to say we are slaves for there PENSION..100 MILLION PENSION..

[popcorn1]

Macron says to Le Pen she is feeding off the hate..
So is Macron saying the people who vote for LE PEN are haters ?..

I cannot believe the cheek of the guy..
It's you and your GREEDY BANKERS and ELITE who cause the hate..
Greed causes hate you DUMB ASSES..

Your greed is the only reason the hate flows..
The immigration cheap labour GREED..
shutting companies down to move for cheap labour GREED..
Higher food prices GREED .
Higher gas prices GREED
Higher rent GREED..
bankers NEED I SAY MORE ..
Wall street NEED I SAY MORE..

And these people expect you to not hate even though they hate you by sucking the life's blood out your pockets and then throw you to the LIONS if you got no money..

I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN MACRON..
At least give LE PEN ago ..Something different..

BUT just remember GREEDY ELITE it's you causing the hate by sucking up everyone on shit wages you take most of the money so they only LIVE and not be HAPPY..

If a nation is happy NO HATE they are HAPPY..
Money worries = hate
Taking all your money away to just live = hate

SO PLEASE STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT..I CAN SMELL IT IN THE UK..IT STINKS..

And 100 billion  ..
I know some of our politicians put you up to this the REMOANER POLITICIANS ..
The politicians who get BACKHANDERS OFF THE EU..

Peter mandelson just to name one    Oh 1 more      TONY SHOULD BE IN JAIL BLAIR <For treason
ASS HOLE HE IS..

I want the reasons why we owe this money ..
Show every bill and why we owe it..  We could be sitting on a fortune ASSETS..
We must own many many ASSETS around the EU..
Sell it to the SAUDIS  ..

Jean-Claude Juncker YOU OWE ME   1 MILLION POUNDS..
No who the FUCK ARE YOU ...YOU 4 EYED TWAT.

You are demanding my tax money..
WHO the fuck are you to tell me to pay you part of 100 BILLION..

UPPER CUT TO YOUR CHIN and you be out cold ..
NO ONE TAKES MY MONEY WITHOUT MY SAY SO..

NOW PAY MY 1 MILLION ..  Yes you CHEEKY TWAT you are going GANGSTER on me i will go ganster on you..WE THE BRITISH WILL GO GANGSTER ON ALL THE FUCKING EU..DICKS

And Tony Blair YOU DIE TWAT..EVERY HATES YOU SO MUCH IN THE UK..

And you still stick around FUCK OFF YOU UGLY TWAT..
YOUR POLITICS STINKS..TINY ROBBING SHIT FACE BLAIR..

Just go and spend the money you already made you GREEDY PEOPLE..
And stop showing your ugly faces on the TV..

Peter MANDY the thief ..

100 FUCKING BILLION..
I would of booted JUNKER RIGHT OUT OF NO 10..What a 100 billion boot get out you dumb shit..

Next time MRS MAY stick the middle finger up please..
They have no intentions of agreeing a deal they are trying to keep us in..

And The Remoaners are THICK AS SHIT.. Most are kept by mummy and daddy ..

[snipie]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

[popcorn1]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

Please don't be a goose..It fly's one way and you follow..THE POLLS..and the NEWS,,
Wait till the result ..

[snipie]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

Please don't be a goose..It fly's one way and you follow..THE POLLS..and the NEWS,,
Wait till the result ..

Personally I don't like the two (all politicians btw) and what i said came from polls mixed by my feelings/the sixth sencse 
We will see anyway, bad luck for the two

[popcorn1]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

Please don't be a goose..It fly's one way and you follow..THE POLLS..and the NEWS,,
Wait till the result ..

Personally I don't like the two (all politicians btw) and what i said came from polls mixed by my feelings/the sixth sencse  
We will see anyway, bad luck for the two

Yes BUT the French even if you vote LE PEN the french i know would still string LE PEN up if she does wrong by the people?..Man what's happened to the FRENCH ..

See the EU as made you French stupid ..
Give all your monies to them and get FK up the bottom ..Farmers killing themselves .
So even though Le pen you might get a surprise NOT getting one with MACRON you know for sure who he is..
Like my gran parents was very raciest ..People was back in the 1920s up to the years 2000 in some countries ..Like parents telling you to stick to you own kind..

But i don't think like that i like all colour people even though my parents and gran parents didn't..
My gran parents hated GAYS hated them ..And then one day one of her gran children turned out to be gay..

BUT you are the FRENCH even if LE PEN turns out bad YOU WILL STRING HER UP..
YOUR THE FRENCH..It's what you do..

SO GET OUT AND VOTE LE PEN..Make a statement the EU is making you a goose to take your monies..
EU gangsters..
To make you feel like a RACIEST it's the trick so you vote one way..THE GOOSE..

[popcorn1]

Just think EUROPE we joined the EU so we could all have free trade..

The uk since joining as paid over 500 billion and now they demand 100 billion more..
Now if you ask me it doesn't look like FREE TRADE to me..

It was the political elite I.E some big business men son who made it in to politics
Who made us pay this so called free TRADE.  WHY so they can ROB US SILLY ..

Oh the EU are calling us a raciest ..OH i better vote for what they want..
You just played right into the RICH BUSINESSMEN and his political sons POCKETS..

Now if your going by LE PENS FATHER ..

Then why do you support this guy..
 
Jean-Claude Juncker's dad fought for Hitler in World 2 ...
And his father-in-law was a Nazi sympathiser who persecuted Jews

With Jean-Claude Juncker confirmed as European Commission president, he is attracting attention ... Germany and France, and his father Joseph was forced to fight for the Wehrmacht in the 1940s after the Nazis invaded

All the GERMAN soldiers would say they got forced ..
VE AV VAYS OV MAKING YOU TALK..ARR no i was forced to do it ..

And you want to support the NAZI ..

It's a German project ..Junker father was a NAZI MAMA merkel a NAZI ..
The EU a NAZI ..

The Nazis drew up the “basic plan” for the European Union decades before ... likening the EU's aims to those of Adolf Hitler. ... “In 1942 when the Germans still thought they were going to win the war..

And your worried about what LE PENS father thought ..The EU children are NAZI. Junker dad Nazi.

Remember VE AV VAYS OV MAKING YOU TALK..Oh no it wasn't me i got forced to do it.. .

The GERMAN NAZI  are using us as SLAVES ..
Not gassing us to death BUT working us to death..

[Sithara007]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

This particular election is very unique, and you can't be sure about anything. One thing I can say for sure. Both Le Pen and Macron are hated by more people than those who approve them. And everything will depend upon the turnout. Le Pen supporters will vote for her, no matter what happens. But not sure about the fringe supporters of Macron.

[popcorn1]

FRANCE LOOK AT NORWAY..
And you believe MACRON??..

This is NORWAY..

Norwegians voted ‘no’ to the EU in a heated referendum in 1994 – and we are not regretting it.

According to the most recent poll, 72 per cent are opposed to Norwegian membership of the EU, with only 18.1 per cent supporting it and 9.9 per cent undecided.

Norway has experienced unprecedented economic growth since the ‘no’ vote in 1994.

Annual growth in GDP has been significantly higher in Norway than the EU average.

There has been a strong increase in foreign investments in Norway, more than doubling in the last 10 years alone.

For decades, Norway has enjoyed easy access to the EU market.

Since 1994 through the European Free Trade Agreement (EEA) that makes Norway part of the Single Market.

We believe Norway would be even better off by replacing the EEA agreement with a bilateral trade agreement with the EU.

The EEA agreement is still very much preferable to EU membership. The EEA agreement encompasses less than 10 percent of EU law making. (Source: EUR-lex and annual EFTA-reports)

The EU is both a single market and a political and economic union.

The EEA agreement includes Norway in the Single Market, but we are still independent from most of the European Union. In addition, and more importantly, Norway still has a sovereign right to refuse the incorporation of new EU legislation.

Norway’s monetary policy is decided BY Norway FOR Norway.

Outside the euro, Norway has used its economic policies to stimulate employment and growth.

GO AND CHECK if you don't believe me..

THE EU GANGSTERS WANT YOUR MONEY..

[signature200]

After yesterday's debate Marie Le pen has no chance. This is an example of what a good financier is always able to defeat populist slogans. It is a pity that not all people understand it.

[snipie]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

This particular election is very unique, and you can't be sure about anything. One thing I can say for sure. Both Le Pen and Macron are hated by more people than those who approve them. And everything will depend upon the turnout. Le Pen supporters will vote for her, no matter what happens. But not sure about the fringe supporters of Macron.

Right, i just gave an estimation that could be wrong of course. The two aren't liked by the voters maybe but Marine is hated more than Macron.
Finally no one could think Trump will be the next US president at early stage but he made it.
@popcorn1 didn't understand too much what you are saying but the French guy is blaming also the EU

[Forester618]

Who's going to be the next french president? Le Pen? What kind of changes she will bring? What do you think.

I doubt it will get elected, 45% is the maximum vote she could get in the best cases, unless a major event will happens and change the cards
45% considering that a considerable number of the supporters of the other ex-candidates won't vote for anyone

This particular election is very unique, and you can't be sure about anything. One thing I can say for sure. Both Le Pen and Macron are hated by more people than those who approve them. And everything will depend upon the turnout. Le Pen supporters will vote for her, no matter what happens. But not sure about the fringe supporters of Macron.

Right, i just gave an estimation that could be wrong of course. The two aren't liked by the voters maybe but Marine is hated more than Macron.
Finally no one could think Trump will be the next US president at early stage but he made it.
@popcorn1 didn't understand too much what you are saying but the French guy is blaming also the EU

I think @popcorn1 Russian. Everyone knows that Putin would like to became President Marie Le pen. Now it is being investigated because she took Putin 9 million dollars for whitening the image of Russia in Europe. Russians don't like losing and so will defend their candidate to the complete destruction.

[surus]

Macron has 1.1 betting odds to win and LePen even over 9. What do you french comrades think about the probability of winning for each candidate? 

[youdamushi]

-useless crap as always-

Yeah, let's compare a country with no special specifity like Norway to the rest of EU...

What? The incredible amounts of natural ressources of Norway compared to their incredibly low population which makes it one of the naturally richest country in the world with Saudi Arabia?
Nah, doesn't matter. It's all because they're not in the EU.
That's why every country not in the EU is doing sooooo better.

[youdamushi]

Right, i just gave an estimation that could be wrong of course. The two aren't liked by the voters maybe but Marine is hated more than Macron.
Finally no one could think Trump will be the next US president at early stage but he made it.
@popcorn1 didn't understand too much what you are saying but the French guy is blaming also the EU

Don't try to understand popcorn1, he just likes to yell a lot ^^

Anyway the difference is that Lepen is REALLY in a deep shit considering honesty...
She has stolen MILLIONS to French people. It's hard to forget about a politician when he stole 6 millions from you...

Trump was "clean" at least...

[Lieldoryn]

Macron has 1.1 betting odds to win and LePen even over 9. What do you french comrades think about the probability of winning for each candidate? 

Where do you get such facts. What a clever man would put my money on Marie Le pen? Russian need to calm down and to realize that you have lost. This is for you on TV say that Putin is the great and Almighty. In fact, nobody in the world respects and loyalty to him he can only buy stolen from the Russian people money.

[DooMAD]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

I would offer my commiserations, but that would be insincere.  Instead I'll take a leaf out of your book and just say "LOL REKT".  Are you going to change your sig to the next up and coming totalitarian now?

That said, I'm not gonna pretend Macron is great either.  I'd say he was just about the lesser of two evils.  Just.

[popcorn1]

-useless crap as always-

Yeah, let's compare a country with no special specifity like Norway to the rest of EU...

What? The incredible amounts of natural ressources of Norway compared to their incredibly low population which makes it one of the naturally richest country in the world with Saudi Arabia?
Nah, doesn't matter. It's all because they're not in the EU.
That's why every country not in the EU is doing sooooo better.

The incredible amounts of natural lressources of Norway ..UK own most of the biggest companies on this planet..
BP  ..ROLLS

youdamushi please don't tell me how this planet works..
The EU is a gang of robbing politicians sucking all the money from every EU countries population .

It has nothing to do with Norway's resources IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT OF THE EU..DUMB ASS..

So why is Norway rich?
by PETER HITCHENS, Mail On Sunday
You'd think that leaving the European Union would be like jumping off the edge of the world, the way British politicians talk about the subject.
They mutter darkly - though I won't specify any of the Prime Ministers involved - that some critics of the Brussels paradise secretly want Britain to quit.

These Prime Ministers hint that such people are unhinged maniacs who would plunge this country into frozen isolation, poverty and disaster. The suggestion is that there is no life outside the EU; that beyond its borders lies an airless planet upon which no economy can survive.

This week I left the European Union but stayed in Europe, as it is still - just - possible to do. Norway turned down the Common Market in a referendum in 1972 and turned it down again when it had become the EU in 1994 - each time by about 53 per cent to 47 per cent.

Norway is prosperous, happy and free. Its countryside is neat and well husbanded, its towns and cities orderly and comfortable. Its people shame much of Europe by their command of foreign languages, and it runs its own affairs, trading cheerfully with the EU.

Its fisheries and farms have not been wrecked or bankrupted, as ours have, by 'Common' policies that suit France, Germany or Spain. Its supreme court is in Oslo, not Luxembourg, where ours is.

Its monarchy is not menaced by a European president and its flag doesn't have to fly alongside the EU's yellow stars.

In the 30 years from 1971 to 2001, its gross domestic product rose by 177 per cent. Denmark, which has been in the EU for much of that period, increased its GDP by 75 per cent and the UK, which has been in the EU almost the whole period, saw an increase of 98 per cent.

This suggests, at least, that non-membership has not held Norway back.

Norway runs its own armed forces inside Nato, and had its own policy on the Iraq war. It makes its own laws, keeps its own currency and sets its own interest rates. It is a real nation which controls its own destiny.

Yet, for some reason never officially explained, if you say 'yes' to the EU, your decision is sealed forever. But you can say 'no' to Brussels any number of times and you will still be forced to hold more referendums until you say 'yes' - often with the help of some of the most unfair voting rules outside North Korea.

And Norway, after nearly nine years of peace, now faces its third time of asking. So once more, the closely balanced forces of 'yes' and 'no' face a deeply unfair fight - unfair because the entire Norwegian elite, plus all the country's major newspapers and (it is alleged) its equivalent of the BBC, are determined to go, bleating merrily, into the Euroflock.

What is even more striking is that opinion polls are showing a majority of more than 60 per cent in favour of doing so. This may be because the next vote is at least two years away, but there is no doubt Norwegians have begun to fear being alone.

After last year's Copenhagen summit, when the poor nations of Eastern Europe were clubbed and bullied into accepting wretched and humiliating terms for entry, Norway saw an EU stretching from the Atlantic to the Russian border, immensely powerful and rich, while they alone - a tiny country of fewer than five million people - remained outside.

The only other refuseniks were Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Iceland. How soon before they too were gobbled up?

Did Norway really want to be an outsider, like Belarus or Turkey, when everyone else was in the cosy embrace? There is no obvious threat, but perhaps there is an implied one - don't call us if ever you're in trouble.

This is more worrying than it once was, since it is now plain that the EU is the greatest power on European soil since the collapse of the Soviet Union or, well, let's not mention the war.

This argument has nothing to do with reason and much more to do with emotion. It is the same with most arguments for joining, or for staying in the EU.

It was interesting, when I met pro-EU types in Norway, that none of them claimed that their country would have been better off if they had joined up in 1972 or 1994. Per Egil Hegge, editor at large of newspaper Aftenposten and a former correspondent in London, Moscow and Washington, was clear that his reasons for going in were not economic.

He said: "In 1972, I did not trust the economists - I never do. I thought we would be OK outside. My main reason for voting "yes" was cultural."

He points out that membership of the European Economic Area, which gives Norway free access to the EU's markets without having to join, has its problems. One is that the EU can impose regulations on Norwegian agriculture and industry.

The other is that the EU has just demanded a huge increase in the membership fee.

But put that to Helle Hagenau, general secretary of the 'No to the EU' campaign, and she ripostes that this is hardly an argument for joining: 'The EEA gives us access to markets in the EU.

If we join, we get no more access but much more control and interference from Brussels.' And what if the fee goes up? "All the research shows that if we joined we would be a net contributor, so we would still have to pay - and I suspect it would be more than this fee."

Helle, a Dane by birth, has directly experienced the EU. She has worked in Brussels and understands the octopus of bureaucracy. She thinks many Norwegians still accept the EU's version of itself as a route to efficiency, harmony and peace.

She warns: "People here don't know what it is like. They have never had the opportunity to find out that the EU takes away power from the people and decides everything about their lives."

She adds: "This is a proper democracy we have here in Norway. I think it is very precious and I would hate to lose it..

By the way, there are hardly any real Tories in Norway, if any. Helle, like most anti-EU campaigners, is very much of the Left. They see the EU as a threat to the environment and to Norway's lavish welfare state which they fear would be squeezed out of existence by EU budget rules

youdamushi YOU KNOW NOTHING ..YOU DUMB ASS..

To the french YOU WILL BE SO POOR ..AND OVER FLOODED WITH CRAZY ..IMMIGRANTS..

You voted for the ELITE..To give you rules to line there own pockets..
FRENCH YOU HAVE BECOME   SLAVES TO THE ELITE..

Switzerland has no resources and is doing GREAT..
Because it's outside the EU..

Little tiny country ICELAND doing GREAT outside the EU.. ..

France will be DOOMED..100% YOUR COUNTRY WILL SUFFER..100% YOU WILL BE SO SORRY..

youdamushi when it comes to politics i always win i know the tricks they do to line there own pockets..
Most politicians are thieves ..They have the KEYS to make money ..YOUR TAXES DUMB ASS..

Your taxes get used to make your country better ..
Not getting used in your own country if the EU is taking it ..

Corruption costs EU 'up to €990 billion a year' – POLITICO
www.politico.eu/.../corruption-costs-eu-990-billion-year-rand-study-fraud-funding/
22 Mar 2016 - The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament .

€990 billion goes missing each year around the EU so that means £990 billion not getting spent on the EU cities but the POLITICIANS POCKETS..

SAD DAY FOR FRANCE..They will be so poor..

[popcorn1]

-useless crap as always-

Yeah, let's compare a country with no special specifity like Norway to the rest of EU...

What? The incredible amounts of natural ressources of Norway compared to their incredibly low population which makes it one of the naturally richest country in the world with Saudi Arabia?
Nah, doesn't matter. It's all because they're not in the EU.
That's why every country not in the EU is doing sooooo better.

I will show you how STUPID YOU ARE..youdamushi

Your quote below..
What? The incredible amounts of natural ressources of Norway compared to their incredibly low population.,

So your saying they make so much because they have a low population to spread the money they make about.?..

So why does the EU invite loads of immigrants to take money away from the UK and FRENCH people..
Now remember you said the LOW POPULATION to spread the money about..

So the less people the more  money you can spread about to your population..
REMEMBER YOU SAID IT ^.LOW POPULATION..

SO what is the EU DOING?..MAMA MERKEL SAID ..Come on every immigrants can come to the EU..
So now that means more people in your country meaning less money per person..

AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE EU..To much immigration..

Remember you said a low population means more money for each person..
Now if less money because more people WHAT SUFFERS?..
MORE PEOPLE MEANS LESS TO GO AROUND..

If you make 1 million each year and split it with 2 people means 500k each add 2 more means you get 250k each person..

So now add those rules to hospitals schools roads and welfare ..MEANS LESS..

So thanks for agreeing that more people to your population means less to go around..
AT LAST WE FINALLY understand the IMMIGRATION PROBLEM..

And you youdamushi didn't even know the bad about the EU even though you did..<DUMB ASS
BRAINWASHED  By big elite companies and there backhander politicians ..

[criptix]

Mr popcorn you are high again.
We already talked about norway several times - they are a eu member just without voting rights:

This arrangement facilitates free movement of goods, capital, services and people between the EU and EFTA members including Norway.[5] Free movement of goods means freedom from customs fees, where however food and beverage is excluded (because those are subsidised by the EU). Free movement of people means freedom of movement for workers between Norway and EU, and that Norway is a part of the Schengen Area.[5]

Norway has been granted participation rights (save voting rights) in several of the Union's programmes, bodies and initiatives.[6] These include security and defence areas like the European Defence Agency, the Nordic Battle Group, Frontex, Europol and the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction. Whether or not the country should apply for full membership has been one of the most dominant and divisive issues in modern Norwegian political debate.[citation needed]

Norway's total financial contribution linked to the EEA agreement consists of contributions related to the participation in these projects, and part made available to development projects for reducing social and economic disparities in the EU (EEA and Norway Grants).[6][7] EEA EFTA states fund their participation in programmes and agencies by an amount corresponding to the relative size of their gross domestic product (GDP) compared to the GDP of the whole EEA. The EEA EFTA participation is hence on an equal footing with EU member states. The total EEA EFTA commitment amounts to 2.4% of the overall EU programme budget. In 2008 Norway’s contribution was €188 million. Throughout the programme period 2007–2013, the Norwegian contribution will increase substantially in parallel with the development of the EU programme budget, from €130 million in 2007 to €290 million in 2013. For the EEA and Norway Grants from 2004 to 2009, Norway provided almost €1.3 billion.[8][9]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

[popcorn1]

Mr popcorn you are high again.
We already talked about norway several times - they are a eu member just without voting rights:

This arrangement facilitates free movement of goods, capital, services and people between the EU and EFTA members including Norway.[5] Free movement of goods means freedom from customs fees, where however food and beverage is excluded (because those are subsidised by the EU). Free movement of people means freedom of movement for workers between Norway and EU, and that Norway is a part of the Schengen Area.[5]

Norway has been granted participation rights (save voting rights) in several of the Union's programmes, bodies and initiatives.[6] These include security and defence areas like the European Defence Agency, the Nordic Battle Group, Frontex, Europol and the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction. Whether or not the country should apply for full membership has been one of the most dominant and divisive issues in modern Norwegian political debate.[citation needed]

Norway's total financial contribution linked to the EEA agreement consists of contributions related to the participation in these projects, and part made available to development projects for reducing social and economic disparities in the EU (EEA and Norway Grants).[6][7] EEA EFTA states fund their participation in programmes and agencies by an amount corresponding to the relative size of their gross domestic product (GDP) compared to the GDP of the whole EEA. The EEA EFTA participation is hence on an equal footing with EU member states. The total EEA EFTA commitment amounts to 2.4% of the overall EU programme budget. In 2008 Norway’s contribution was €188 million. Throughout the programme period 2007–2013, the Norwegian contribution will increase substantially in parallel with the development of the EU programme budget, from €130 million in 2007 to €290 million in 2013. For the EEA and Norway Grants from 2004 to 2009, Norway provided almost €1.3 billion.[8][9]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I was waiting for you MAMA MERKEL little BLUE EYE..OH you love her so much ..

MAMA MERKEL MAMA MERKEL ..

Lies told to Norway before they rejected EU membership - YouTube
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Norway - Norwegians Say No To European Union - YouTube
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Norway has rejected European Union membership for the second time in 22-years. On Monday (28/11 ..

Norway REFUSES to bow to EU's bid for control over North ... - YouTube
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No means NO: Norway REFUSES to bow to EU's bid for control over North Sea oil industry NORWAY has once ..


The EU elite I.E MAMA MERKEL and her CRONIES and you love her ..
So why would i listen to a GERMAN over a Norwegian ?..

You see I WANT OUR BRITISH WATERS BACK..
Plus who cares what shape a vegetable is..Now why do they worry about shaped vegetables because it raises the price of food ..
Means the poor need more money to eat.. .

Means only massive farmers can win because so much waste because of the shape of vegetables
a little farmer is FUCKED..Need thousands of acres of land to produce so much to compensate for the wasted vegetables because of the shape..
Not the right shape     to bendy looking wont go on the supermarket shelf ..

Little farmer got no chance..

Hundreds of French farmers killing themselves every year | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
28 Feb 2016 - Campaigners have warned that 600 agricultural workers kill themselves every year amid growing concern about suicide in France. The decrease in pay that has come from food prices being lowered has played a contributing role in the high rate of suicide in the industry.


The EU is for BIG BUSINESS ..And now because not much socialism around not much tax getting collected from big business to use for public services and to make sure your future children have the same chance as everyone else..

And PLUS you and i know the EU is all about GERMANY looking after numero uno..

So you go back to mama merkel and say the UK said it's out..
Now be nice or we wont use our money to buy your cars ..

And we want all our waters BACK..every bit of it..
So we can fish not some other EU nation..Taking our money from a people..

[popcorn1]

 am saying food prices are to high the french farmers are saying because to low?..

So if your thinking i am wrong about the price of food let me explain..

The decrease in pay that has come from food prices being lowered say french farmers..

French farmers get around €11 billion in subsidies each year from the EU, but very little of it actually goes to small farmers.

If subsidies are cut the people cannot go strawberry picking and fill there baskets for cheap..

Now it's about who can sell to a supermarket but the supermarket wants profits so wants your products
as cheap as they can buy them for..
The bigger you are the more you can produce meaning the cheaper you can sell to the supermarkets.

Now the supermarkets buy your product cheap and pay more wrapping your product to look nice for the shelf..Costing way more than you pay by buying STRAIGHT FROM THE FARM..
Packaging can cost way more than the product..

Now the poor cannot go to the farm and buy 2 carrots and and 1 cabbage .
They need to buy 1000 carrots and a 1000 cabbages to get them cheap.

Some farmers sell there products to the public fresh produce ,BUT remember the poor?.
Need a car to go to a farm to buy and they might only have £3 for veggies .

So cost more in petrol to get to a farm to buy veggies..
Plus poor cannot afford car insurance to drive anywhere to shop about..

So you can see how too CHEAP can be to high..

See farmers was all about feeding your nation they get government grants to feed the population..
If capitalised then loads will fail and the BIG FARMERS will wipe the little guy out..

See even free school meals are privatised NOT so free ..

You think the farmers good veggie waste food should be given to local schools saving the tax payer on school meals..
No but they wont do that because someone like the POLITICIANS CRONIES are the people making money off SO CALLED FREE SCHOOL DINNERS..

The EU is all for the ELITE ..And the ELITE are the few meaning way more sadness than happiness ..
WAY WAY WAY more sadness..

Future children have no chance like the past because they sucked all the business up and want to let no one have ago..I.E the future children ...ONLY THERE CHILDREN..By passing there businesses to them when they die..

[DooMAD]

I don't think it's possible to understand the dichotomy incarnate that is popcorn1.  He claims he's voting for Theresa May, but hates everything she and the tories stand for.

The EU is for BIG BUSINESS ..And now because not much socialism around not much tax getting collected from big business to use for public services and to make sure your future children have the same chance as everyone else..

The tories are for big business.

See even free school meals are privatised NOT so free .. You think the farmers good veggie waste food should be given to local schools saving the tax payer on school meals..
No but they wont do that because someone like the POLITICIANS CRONIES are the people making money off SO CALLED FREE SCHOOL DINNERS..

The tories are for privatisation.

The EU is all for the ELITE ..And the ELITE are the few meaning way more sadness than happiness ..
WAY WAY WAY more sadness..

The tories are for the elite.

Corruption costs EU 'up to €990 billion a year'

The tories are corrupt.

You seem to be of the quite delusional impression that the EU is the sole source of everything in the world that you hate and that getting out of it will magically make everything better.  But the sad fact is you've been lied to and you've swallowed the lie whole.  You think all of the EU regulation is bad, but some of it actually protects the things you care about.  With those protections out of the way, the tories and their buddies in big business are free to exploit the average person in all sorts of new cruel and profitable ways.  And the best part is you begged them to do it.  Self inflicted harm.

Enjoy your nightmare future of your own making.

[mainpmf]

I can't say I'm happy Macron won.
I'm just happy Lepen lost.

But not so sure it will be much better...

Brace yourself for 5 difficult years my fellow citizens. If he really does what he announced I swear to God you'll see me attacking cops in a few weeks with the millions of people he'll try to destroy

[signature200]

I can't say I'm happy Macron won.
I'm just happy Lepen lost.

But not so sure it will be much better...

Brace yourself for 5 difficult years my fellow citizens. If he really does what he announced I swear to God you'll see me attacking cops in a few weeks with the millions of people he'll try to destroy

Attack the police, many do not mind. Do you have suggestions how to improve the economic situation in France? If there is, why you are in government, and if not then what is the point to criticize and nothing alternative to prerogat.

[craked5]

I can't say I'm happy Macron won.
I'm just happy Lepen lost.

But not so sure it will be much better...

Brace yourself for 5 difficult years my fellow citizens. If he really does what he announced I swear to God you'll see me attacking cops in a few weeks with the millions of people he'll try to destroy

Lol, whole France Insoumise will be in the street trying to take the fucker down if he actually does even just 10% of what he said.
The guy is completely crazy. He's the third worst possible choice of this election. Only worst choices were Fillon and MAYBE Lepen. Honestly I'm not even sure Lepen was really worse...

[Magpieguy]

A hard one to call for us here in the UK. I suppose I am pleased that Macron won, but unfortunately it will mean further alienation for us in the UK.

[youdamushi]

A hard one to call for us here in the UK. I suppose I am pleased that Macron won, but unfortunately it will mean further alienation for us in the UK.

Yeah you can bet no one will help you in any way now that all important countries have pro EU government.

Time to see how it feels to be completely alone in the big world friend. Maybe you won't do so bad in the end, who knows?

[mainpmf]

I can't say I'm happy Macron won.
I'm just happy Lepen lost.

But not so sure it will be much better...

Brace yourself for 5 difficult years my fellow citizens. If he really does what he announced I swear to God you'll see me attacking cops in a few weeks with the millions of people he'll try to destroy

Attack the police, many do not mind. Do you have suggestions how to improve the economic situation in France? If there is, why you are in government, and if not then what is the point to criticize and nothing alternative to prerogat.

Sure I have. And an easy one: stop this bullshit economy based on infinite growth that MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!!!

We produce largely enough for everyone, at least it's true in our country. So stop the bullshit and stop feeding the riches without any reason! A few key ideas:
-Stop shareholders from taking business down: you want to have power on the administration coucil? Then you'll have to block your shares for 10 years. It will separate those who want to pump and dump from power.
-Reduce week work to 30h, the only time we decreased unemployment was when we decreased work time AND THAT SEEMS LOGICAL, right now those bullshit politicians want to make us work more to "relaunch the economy" xD
-Tax turnover and not benefits. For honest companies it will mean less taxes and for all the greedy ones like Apple and Google they won't be able to avoid it.
-Separate the laws between small companies and big ones, you simply can't deal with both the same way.
-Nationalize what we the people paid for. In France highways bring 2 billions a year to private companies, that's just taxation on us. WE paid for highways and a corrupted asshole of a president gave them to private companies for a few billions...

Easy shit that will actually change shit around here...

[markj113]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

[craked5]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

Considering how table turned in the last decades I'd say they can give you a few lessons...

USA are the warmongers crazy assholes now. Germans are pacifist guys who understood their mistakes. Americans are arrogant jerks who believe they should rule the world.

[Okurkabinladin]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

Considering how table turned in the last decades I'd say they can give you a few lessons...

USA are the warmongers crazy assholes now. Germans are pacifist guys who understood their mistakes. Americans are arrogant jerks who believe they should rule the world.

I dont find either approach particularly good, when we are talking about future of country. Both create new enemies every day.

Yes, you are right that nobody likes the bully.

Yet, nobody likes cowards and traitors either. In the past couple of years, german government showed that it is willing to sell high tech weapons to Saudi Arabia and its ideological islamist allies, yet it is unwilling to protect its own borders and citizens against incursions and acts of terror.

Middle road, please.

[craked5]

I dont find either approach particularly good, when we are talking about future of country. Both create new enemies every day.

Yes, you are right that nobody likes the bully.

Yet, nobody likes cowards and traitors either. In the past couple of years, german government showed that it is willing to sell high tech weapons to Saudi Arabia and its ideological islamist allies, yet it is unwilling to protect its own borders and citizens against incursions and acts of terror.

Middle road, please.

Agreed on the part where Germans (but not only them) are selling weapons accross the world.
I just find it funny how the 5 biggest weapons dealers are the 5 countries in the permanent security council of the UN...

For the "protection of its own border" let's all be clear: anyone thinking that closing borders is an efficient way to protect a country against terrorism is so dumb they shouldn't have the right to vote.

[Sithara007]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

To know the real state of affairs in the German army, please visit this link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11420627/German-army-used-broomsticks-instead-of-guns-during-training.html

German army used broomsticks instead of guns during training

A German battalion assigned to Nato's rapid response force used broomstick handles instead of guns on a joint exercise due to chronic equipment shortages

I would have laughed at this news, but now I feel like crying.

[Okurkabinladin]

I dont find either approach particularly good, when we are talking about future of country. Both create new enemies every day.

Yes, you are right that nobody likes the bully.

Yet, nobody likes cowards and traitors either. In the past couple of years, german government showed that it is willing to sell high tech weapons to Saudi Arabia and its ideological islamist allies, yet it is unwilling to protect its own borders and citizens against incursions and acts of terror.

Middle road, please.

Agreed on the part where Germans (but not only them) are selling weapons accross the world.
I just find it funny how the 5 biggest weapons dealers are the 5 countries in the permanent security council of the UN...

For the "protection of its own border" let's all be clear: anyone thinking that closing borders is an efficient way to protect a country against terrorism is so dumb they shouldn't have the right to vote.

Nobody asked Germans to "close" their borders, if your memory serves well. Some if not most people were just shocked, that German government decided to breach international agreements and its own laws by suspending both Shengen and Dublin protocols. Closing borders is not the same thing as "not letting in people, who served with Islamic State and carried proofs inside their mobile phones".

Officials (paid generously by tax payers) had both information and duty to act against such possibility. Thats the very reason borders exist after all. They did not act.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/29/isis-finds-success-infiltrating-terrorists-into-re/

[criptix]

If Le Pen wins you are going to cry so much MOAR.    Can't wait for your NeverLePen mania to drive you crazy.

Crying might be a bit of a stretch, but I'd certainly mourn the loss of human decency in what was once a reasonably tolerant country.  Any substantive points to make?  Or just more of the usual lousy farceur routine?

Is mocking the (loud, public) signaling of your pious Transnational Progressive virtue a "substantive point" or not?   

Why does preserving France for French people and French culture bother you so much?  Why are you so eager to see an apex K-selective civilization be invaded and displaced by r-selective mud people from the savage lands?

It seems like you are the kind of social justice warrior who desires to see every high culture torn down until they reach equilibrium with the shit cultures ('Because Muh Fairness').

well if this table is true i can understand why he doesnt fear the creation of the french caliphate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_France#By_country

the african nations with the highest immigrants are:

Algeria, Morroco and Tunesia. let me try to remember... oh all three nations that were french colonies not so long ago. rekt...
(ever asked yourself why muricans have indian reservations?)

I am well aware of the history of French colonialism, just like most people with a decent education.  But thanks for confirming your status as a Social Justice Warrior. 

You are framing a trivial bit of common knowledge as if it constituted some sort of game-changing Gotcha that justifies the abandonment of France and destruction/replacement of French people/culture.

Get the fact you are a fucking pleb through your thick transnational progressive propaganda infected head, and don't ever try to chuck some random thing you just learned at me as if I haven't known it since high school.

Your red herring about "why muricans have indian reservations" is beyond asinine, as I am a card-carrying member of a BIA federally recognized tribe whose ancestors survived the Trail of Tears and Apache Wars.

If Le Pen wins, don't forget your easiest option to stop the ride and get off this terribly indecent and horribly intolerant planet:

Please icebreaker. We know that indians... aeh american natives dont visit ivy league schools.
They visit shitty 3rd world public schools alongside 3rd world negros in the US.
(Hitler is still governing germany you know?!)

You are just making yourself looking like a bigly indi... native american joke.

So based on your missing education it was just logical from me to tell you that most non white french are people from ex french colonies.

But because i'm neither your school teacher nor interested in educating you in history you gotta look up the historical context yourself.


Well le pen lost, maybe you should take your gun out?

[Lieldoryn]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

To know the real state of affairs in the German army, please visit this link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11420627/German-army-used-broomsticks-instead-of-guns-during-training.html

German army used broomsticks instead of guns during training

A German battalion assigned to Nato's rapid response force used broomstick handles instead of guns on a joint exercise due to chronic equipment shortages

I would have laughed at this news, but now I feel like crying.

You're too serious about this news. I certainly do not deny the fact that if army is not fighting then it loses its qualification, but it seems to me that the important thing is not what they mimic guns, and the skills that they have and will use real guns if necessary. In any army has elite units and the rest. I am sure that this news did not concern the elite units.

[popcorn1]

Btw remember schröder? Unlike the UK we germans had the balls to say no to the iraq invasion.

I don't think the Germans are in a position to take the high ground on starting wars lol.

To know the real state of affairs in the German army, please visit this link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11420627/German-army-used-broomsticks-instead-of-guns-during-training.html

German army used broomsticks instead of guns during training

A German battalion assigned to Nato's rapid response force used broomstick handles instead of guns on a joint exercise due to chronic equipment shortages

I would have laughed at this news, but now I feel like crying.

You're too serious about this news. I certainly do not deny the fact that if army is not fighting then it loses its qualification, but it seems to me that the important thing is not what they mimic guns, and the skills that they have and will use real guns if necessary. In any army has elite units and the rest. I am sure that this news did not concern the elite units.

No it's mama merkel saving the Germans money ..

Germany posted a record annual surplus of 23.7 billion euros ($25 billion) for 2016, the National Statistics Office (Destatis) reported on Thursday.
The federal government alone accounted for 7.7 billion euros of the surplus, with the 16 states and communities across Europe's powerhouse contributing the bulk of the extra resources.
Destatis noted the 2016 surplus was highest since the country reunited in 1990 and marked the third annual surplus in a row...

Now if they paid for battle ships and planes and what not they never have a surplus NEVER ..
So if you think about it Mama merkel is a clever little woman very clever actually ..
CRAFTY GET ..

The uk spends this..

Defence budget increases for the first time in six years. ... 1 April 2016 marks the first day that these commitments come into effect with the core defence budget increasing by £800m from the 2015/16 baseline of £34.3bn to £35.1bn...

THAT'S WHY WE ARE POOR AS FUCK..
And the ELITE war weapon sellers I.E the queen and her crew are raping the British for every penny they own..
Everyone is raping each other for money..
But some are so greedy they have no intentions of giving someone else ago..

MAMA MERKEL GOT NO QUEEN ..

Queen told to confront Bahrain's King Hamad on human rights abuses ...
https://www.rt.com/uk/388113-queen-bahrain-abuse-torture/
1 day ago - Queen Elizabeth II must discuss repression, torture and executions committed by the Bahraini state when she meets king Hamad bin Isa ..


And these people are the same as ISIS ..But our queen loves him ..

So makes we wonder is this all war games these horrible kings and queens play to keep us all busy so they rape our pockets ..Modern day pillaging..

We work our asses off then we get taxed for war weapons and then we get taxed for foreign aid ..

So every year just on WEAPONS AND AID we the British loose in tax..

47 BILLION a year.. ..
So how much is actually getting spent on these 2 projects say 25 billion the rest or even more is getting stolen for the ELITE ..

I will vote MRS MAY ..Why to get us out of the EU why because even more politicians to rob us silly..
And i don't even like my own politicians so why would i add more   and ones i no nothing about?..

So by 2022 if nothing changes i will vote for someone that will do what we ask..
And if they don't do what we ask i then can imagine civil war..
And the UK will become one big battle ground and all the rich will get attacked..

Like france  ..

French workers seize factory & threaten to blow it up in protest over ...
https://www.rt.com/news/388032-french-workers-threaten-blow-factory/
2 days ago - Workers at a car component factory in central France have occupied the plant and are threatening to blow it up in a radical protest against their bosses as the site risks closure. The workers at the GM&S auto-suppliers plant in the Creuse region,

Seems quite common in France ..Look at date..

French workers threaten 'to blow up' car factory - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › World News › Europe › France
12 Jul 2009 - Workers at a bankrupt French car parts supplier have threatened to blow up their factory unless carmakers Renault and PSA-Peugeot pay them

France: Workers Threaten to Blow Up Factory if it Closes | The Tim ...
https://www.preusspodcast.com › World
13 hours ago - Union workers in central France are threatening to blow up a factory that is near closure. The plant manufactures auto parts for Renault and ..

France: Workers trash factory equipment, threaten to blow up GM&S ...
Video for french workers threaten to blow up a factory▶ 2:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDN5-78RwZ0
1 day ago - Uploaded by Ruptly TV


Call me stupid BUT if the EU is so good why is FRANCE doing so bad?..
And you pay the EU THIS MUCH every year..

Total EU spending in France – € 14.468 billion

So basically each and every person that works in the EU besides the EU politicians and their crew ..
WE THE PEOPLE OF EUROPE PAY these gangsters tribune to say well go on you can sell to Germany or France or Italy ..
THE GOD FATHERS OF EUROPE .

We pay them to just let us trade ..Just to say go on you BITCHES CAN SELL..

Now why a Eu when each country just sends a person I.E a politician we voted for to talk about trade laws ..
No need for big buildings each country already has them..
So one year all 28 countries get together to talk about trade law in one persons country..

But it's our own politicians who we voted in power ..
It saves on MEPs  wages and it saves on paying for big buildings so these greedy MEPs can sit in.

They had there own MEP shopping mall..CHEEKY..

NO NEED FOR A EU political elite..To pay there pensions and to let them rob us silly..

Corruption costs EU 'up to €990 billion a year' – POLITICO
www.politico.eu/.../corruption-costs-eu-990-billion-year-rand-study-fraud-funding/
22 Mar 2016 - The EU has a corruption problem that could cost it up to €990 billion a year, according to a study commissioned by the European Parliament ...

It's all about why pay more than we need to and to stop getting robbed by political elite..
The EU you add ..

10,000 European Union officials better paid than David Cameron ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › World News › Europe › EU
21 May 2014 - More than one in five European Union officials earn above £142000, the ... meaning many officials with families on lower grades will also earn more than Mr Cameron. ... for their entire working lives, as well as for household allowances. ... EU civil servants better paid than Mr Cameron to more than 10,000.

And believe me i have problems with my own robbing politicians without adding ^^^^^..
If your own countries politicians are not worth a carrot why would you think 10k more you know nothing about will care?..ALL ABOUT THE MONEY..

Politicians when they first start out they are full of promise to change your country and the world for the better...ALWAYS the agenda..But when they get in power and have the KEYS to make money
they make the money ALWAYS..

Makes your life good and your family will never ever starve again..
Buy mansions and everything..

So unless we change the way these greedy politicians work it will always be the same..
Until one day the public have enough and have a civil war..

And that means everything gets destroyed EVERYTHING in your lands   mansions and everything..

But you want to pay 10 thousand MEPs plus your own countries politicians there life and there families lives till they die..

I don't anyways..I want them to bake good cakes and sell them to the masses like we have to to get rich..

[Sithara007]

No it's mama merkel saving the Germans money ..

Germany posted a record annual surplus of 23.7 billion euros ($25 billion) for 2016, the National Statistics Office (Destatis) reported on Thursday.
The federal government alone accounted for 7.7 billion euros of the surplus, with the 16 states and communities across Europe's powerhouse contributing the bulk of the extra resources.
Destatis noted the 2016 surplus was highest since the country reunited in 1990 and marked the third annual surplus in a row...

The German income tax rates are insane. If the United States had the same rate of tax, then the federal debt would have been wiped out in less than 5 years. So this surplus was not achieved through fair means.

[criptix]

^

That happens if you are addicted to drugs.
It strongly impairs your brain functions like logical and critical thinking which leads to a distorted view of reality where you cant differ fantasy from reality.