Evolution is a hoax

[Astargath]

^^^ Now that you have agreed with yourself like 100 times that a scientific theory doesn't mean that it's not true, let's state clearly what a scientific theory DOES mean. A scientific theory means that we don't know if it is true or not. And to clarify, the theory is real. The thing we don't know about is the object of the theory.

If some scientists happen to hold that BB theory is the best scientific theory, so what? All they are agreeing to is that they don't know. There are probably millions of potential science theories that they could think up. The fact that they have placed BB into theory status, only says that they don't know if its true or not.

Now, if you happen to want to go and worship scientists' thinking rather than finding out what is true and real, have at it. All I did regarding BBT is show you how it disproves itself. If there were scientists looking at my explanation, they could continue to hold BBT as a scientific theory, or they could go on to more productive things. Up to them.

And regarding you, since you don't refute the things that I showed regarding how BBT proves itself wrong, but rather go into some kind of a spiel about science theories, shows that you would rather maintain the stupidity status of not knowing, rather than finding out what is true and real.

Can you tell me one thing that is true with an 100% certainty? I'll wait here.

[BADecker]

^^^ Well of course I can. How long are you going to wait?

[Astargath]

^^^ Well of course I can. How long are you going to wait?

Question is fairly easy, you keep talking about facts, can you tell me one fact? As far as I know nothing is ever proven 100% and science in ''fact'' doesn't like using the word fact because of that reason.

[BADecker]

^^^ While I don't agree with you, at least you are showing us one important thing. Because a bunch of people who are supposed to know that there aren't any 100% facts, still state that evolution is a fact...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ While I don't agree with you, at least you are showing us one important thing. Because a bunch of people who are supposed to know that there aren't any 100% facts, still state that evolution is a fact...

Evolution is a hoax.

Well, considering you are a random person who claims to know for a fact that god exists, it's quite hypocritical to say what you said, don't you think?

[BADecker]

^^^ Come on, now! You know that C&E shows us that there isn't any random.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ Come on, now! You know that C&E shows us that there isn't any random.

Evolution is a hoax.

We are back to the same old shit that was already debunked several times. C&E doesn't exist in Science. Only newton's 3rd law exists which states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. ''Cause and effect'' is something you made up to try and justify your beliefs, then again, you also claim God doesn't need C&E and at the same time you think there is no randomness but god himself has to be random, otherwise he would be affected by Cause and Effect.

[BADecker]

^^^ What? You haven't figure out that science barely has anything that they know. You can tell by all the volumes of paperwork they spew out about theories.

C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.

God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.

Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.

[Astargath]

^^^ What? You haven't figure out that science barely has anything that they know. You can tell by all the volumes of paperwork they spew out about theories.

C&E are definitely science things. But they are common-man things as well. No wonder you are having such a difficult time. You won't accept stuff that is right in front of you.

God used something other than the C&E of this universe to create the universe. Whatever that stuff was, it was a cause. But of itself it isn't universe C&E.

Btw, the reaction was the effect of the action cause.

God could have made the universe any way he wanted and that cause cannot be tracked back ever because it's random, therefore everything else is also random since the first cause of everything is caused by a random cause (god) You are so stupid that you don't even realize your own argument self defeats.

[BADecker]

^^^ God tells us in the Bible that He did creation in a very non-random way. No random. So, even if you don't believe in the Bible, random is just a guess.

It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.

What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.

Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ God tells us in the Bible that He did creation in a very non-random way. No random. So, even if you don't believe in the Bible, random is just a guess.

It wasn't universe C&E, either. Why not? Because God, being outside the universe... who knows what it was? If He had used universe C&E, he would not have been outside the universe. So, we only know that God is the cause. Scientists from the early 1900s called God The Great First Cause. The universe was the effect, and C&E continues on to this day. That we can tell, God only used cause to create.

What does this have to do with evolution? There aren't any billions of years that we know of. No time to make evolution theory work until we prove the billions of years.

Why no billions of years since science seems to clearly have found evidence of such? Because we don't know when the observations that we make, observations of our universe, are the results of math and physics that are different than what we have today. We can only guess, basing our guesses on writings from ancient nations... or pottery, sometimes. And those things aren't nearly far enough back to fit evolution theory evolution.

Evolution is a hoax.

Ugh, you always vomit sentences that have nothing to do with anything.

Your argument is that true randomness doesn't exist because everything has a cause and you can track it back to that cause, however, the ultimate cause of everything is god, right? But the cause of god is unknown or it has no cause at all and so, true randomness does exist, god is true randomness and he created everything, everything else is random as well because the first cause of everything has no cause.

[BADecker]

^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.

Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.

So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.

God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?

[Vod]

Evolution is our best guess as to how the universe evolved.  We see it every day - we control it. 

[Astargath]

^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.

Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.

So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.

God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?

I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?

''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.

[BADecker]

^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.

Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.

So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.

God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?

I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?

''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.

If you limit God to having a cause or being random, you are essentially stating that you know way more than all of science will be able to find out over the next thousand years.

[Astargath]

^^^ Why would you be so silly as to think that you can even suggest that God has a cause? After all, you in the universe use universe stuff. God, outside of the universe (as shown by His making of the universe), wouldn't have used universe stuff, or be made up of universe stuff, because if He was/did, He would then be part of the universe.

Cause and Effect doesn't exist outside of the universe. If it did, it wouldn't exist within the universe. Why? Existing within the universe makes things within to be of universe stuff, while existing outside the universe makes things to be other than universe stuff.

So far, we don't know that true randomness can exist. Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know. In other words, if there is something that God calls true randomness in His realm, we don't know it, and it isn't the same as ours, so we can't really call it true randomness.

God is the first cause. The effect is a batch of C&E continuing. There is no random known anywhere. Or can you point to some pure-random/true-randomness?

I see, you don't even understand your own arguments, do you?

''Logic suggests that it can't. God might have true randomness, bur we simply don't know'' God either has a cause or is random, there are no other options mate, if he has a cause then why call him god and if he doesn't then everything else is also random.

If you limit God to having a cause or being random, you are essentially stating that you know way more than all of science will be able to find out over the next thousand years.

It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.

[BADecker]

It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.

Because you say it?

There aren't any mankind-understanding choices before the universe existed. This doesn't mean that there weren't choices in God. God-choices are different than man-choices, and do not even fall into the category of choices. If God-choices were like man-choices, the universe would have been here already... at least in the basic form that it is in.

C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed. At least not in any way mankind can understand. Why? Because mankind understands according to things of the universe, because he is an integral part of the universe. Or do you have evidence that he isn't? Even science agrees that he is.

Get over it. What existed "before" the universe is utterly and entirely outside of our understanding and thinking. No random, no non-random, no C&E, no non-C&E, no before.

God, having created the universe, is the First Cause, "before" there were any effects. God, entirely different than man before the universe was created. God, having interjected himself into the universe after creating it, in the form of Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and rise again, to save us from our mistakes... mistakes like thinking universe stuff can apply outside of the universe.

Evolution isn't only a hoax. It's sheer stupidity.

[Astargath]

It's not limiting anything, it's just literally only 2 choices, something either has a cause or doesn't, there are no more options, doesn't matter if it's a god or not, the point is that god being random, since he can take any decision he wants because he wants to and it's not influenced or caused by anything else, creates other causes that are random because the first cause it's god and god is again, random.

Because you say it?

There aren't any mankind-understanding choices before the universe existed. This doesn't mean that there weren't choices in God. God-choices are different than man-choices, and do not even fall into the category of choices. If God-choices were like man-choices, the universe would have been here already... at least in the basic form that it is in.

C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed. At least not in any way mankind can understand. Why? Because mankind understands according to things of the universe, because he is an integral part of the universe. Or do you have evidence that he isn't? Even science agrees that he is.

Get over it. What existed "before" the universe is utterly and entirely outside of our understanding and thinking. No random, no non-random, no C&E, no non-C&E, no before.

God, having created the universe, is the First Cause, "before" there were any effects. God, entirely different than man before the universe was created. God, having interjected himself into the universe after creating it, in the form of Jesus Christ, to die on the cross and rise again, to save us from our mistakes... mistakes like thinking universe stuff can apply outside of the universe.

Evolution isn't only a hoax. It's sheer stupidity.

''C&E and random didn't exist before the universe existed.'' C&E and randomness are concepts dummy, they never existed or exist in a physical form, are you dumb? It's like saying maths didn't exist before the universe was created, pointless, do you even understand what you are saying?? ...

[BADecker]

^^^ LOL! At least notbatman has a lot of stuff to back up what he says. If you really think that concepts don't exist, then you haven seen or heard or thought of any concepts.

As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.

As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.

As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.

Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!

[Astargath]

^^^ LOL! At least notbatman has a lot of stuff to back up what he says. If you really think that concepts don't exist, then you haven seen or heard or thought of any concepts.

As for C&E being real, we use it all the time.

As for pure random being real, nobody has ever found any.

As for concepts being real, people have concepts all the time. Consider inventions.

Even the concept that concepts don't exist is a concept that apparently exists in your own mind. Are you really saying that you don't exist? I guess that's possible. But what a concept!

Yep, you are dumb