Evolution is a hoax

[Astargath]

^^^ But nobody has proof for evolution theory evolution. And that is what this thread is really about. So, either you are hoaxers, or you are kind of ignorant.

Well the thread is about that, however you rejected my arguments because of C&E and ''outside the universe'' both unproven so you are kind of the hoax here unless you can provide the scientific evidence referencing ''outside the universe''

[BADecker]

^^^ But nobody has proof for evolution theory evolution. And that is what this thread is really about. So, either you are hoaxers, or you are kind of ignorant.

Well the thread is about that, however you rejected my arguments because of C&E and ''outside the universe'' both unproven so you are kind of the hoax here unless you can provide the scientific evidence referencing ''outside the universe''

Science doesn't always attempt to prove things like C&E, because some things are completely seen or understood. C&E is so completely seen and understood and used by science that there is no need to scientifically prove it.

Other things like "outside the universe" are so complex that scientists know that proving them is beyond general understanding. So, they don't waste time on them, except for a few. Gödel’s theorem, for example, proves God in a way that actually proves outside-the-universe at the same time.

The folks who are out there in the digs, looking for what they think is going to prove evolution, don't realize that they are only making more of a path for the big evolution science fiction story. Those folks like it the way it is. They won't take time to realize that what they are doing will never prove evolution.

Evolution is a hoax, and a hoax that is expanding as such by the so-called proof-finders, because the more they dig, the more they prove evolution doesn't exist.

[Astargath]

^^^ But nobody has proof for evolution theory evolution. And that is what this thread is really about. So, either you are hoaxers, or you are kind of ignorant.

Well the thread is about that, however you rejected my arguments because of C&E and ''outside the universe'' both unproven so you are kind of the hoax here unless you can provide the scientific evidence referencing ''outside the universe''

Science doesn't always attempt to prove things like C&E, because some things are completely seen or understood. C&E is so completely seen and understood and used by science that there is no need to scientifically prove it.

Other things like "outside the universe" are so complex that scientists know that proving them is beyond general understanding. So, they don't waste time on them, except for a few. Gödel’s theorem, for example, proves God in a way that actually proves outside-the-universe at the same time.

The folks who are out there in the digs, looking for what they think is going to prove evolution, don't realize that they are only making more of a path for the big evolution science fiction story. Those folks like it the way it is. They won't take time to realize that what they are doing will never prove evolution.

Evolution is a hoax, and a hoax that is expanding as such by the so-called proof-finders, because the more they dig, the more they prove evolution doesn't exist.

So what you are saying is that 'outside the universe' has no scientific evidence therefore it's true because scientists don't bother with it but they somehow know it's real? Interesting argument, we could apply it to literally anything, even evolution, heh.

[BADecker]

^^^ So, what you are saying is that you don't really know how to read or understand what I am saying. But then, that is understandable. You don't seem to be able to figure out that evolutionists are saying that there isn't any proof for evolution, either.

[Astargath]

^^^ So, what you are saying is that you don't really know how to read or understand what I am saying. But then, that is understandable. You don't seem to be able to figure out that evolutionists are saying that there isn't any proof for evolution, either.

The big bang and evolution both have their scientific theories and you reject both yet when it comes to "outside the universe" you believe it and use it in your arguments like its a fact even though there is no scientific evidence of it, you are a hoax.

[BADecker]

^^^ What ever are you yammering about? Who can reject science theories? They are literally there.

In the case of Big Bang and Evolution, the theories are the things that are bringing us close to proving that BB and Evolution are non-existent:
1. BB, because the basis of the theory shows math and physics that we can't calculate because it is so different from ours. So the theory is literally destroying the BB it is trying to prove;
2. Evolution, because there is no way to do the necessary DNA tests on past living things to ever prove that there is a change from one kind of creature to another.

Both of these theories should have been tossed into the waste basket long ago. But some goofy "scientists" want to keep on playing with them... which is okay, of course, since the continued playing only strengthens the fact that neither BB or evolution exist.

Why would anyone want a science theory for outside-the-universe? Like the BB and evolution science theories, we don't have near enough understanding or ability to translate the theories into something useful. However, if you want to play with BB, realize that Hawking was the one who determined that "before" BB, there was something that was not of the universe, yet was there... outside-the-universe.

The fact that many people know that they don't know if evolution is fact or not, yet they proclaim that evolution is fact, shows that they are at least attempting to hoax people.

Evolution is a hoax, and the people who are proclaiming it to be factual (like you) are the hoaxers.

[Astargath]

^^^ What ever are you yammering about? Who can reject science theories? They are literally there.

In the case of Big Bang and Evolution, the theories are the things that are bringing us close to proving that BB and Evolution are non-existent:
1. BB, because the basis of the theory shows math and physics that we can't calculate because it is so different from ours. So the theory is literally destroying the BB it is trying to prove;
2. Evolution, because there is no way to do the necessary DNA tests on past living things to ever prove that there is a change from one kind of creature to another.

Both of these theories should have been tossed into the waste basket long ago. But some goofy "scientists" want to keep on playing with them... which is okay, of course, since the continued playing only strengthens the fact that neither BB or evolution exist.

Why would anyone want a science theory for outside-the-universe? Like the BB and evolution science theories, we don't have near enough understanding or ability to translate the theories into something useful. However, if you want to play with BB, realize that Hawking was the one who determined that "before" BB, there was something that was not of the universe, yet was there... outside-the-universe.

The fact that many people know that they don't know if evolution is fact or not, yet they proclaim that evolution is fact, shows that they are at least attempting to hoax people.

Evolution is a hoax, and the people who are proclaiming it to be factual (like you) are the hoaxers.

Right, toss them in the waste basket but explain why you insist that ''outside the universe'' is a fact then. You clearly reject any scientific theory that goes against your beliefs, for instance you agree gravity or relativity exists. Show us the evidence for 'outside the universe' or admit you are a lying bastard.

[BADecker]

^^^ We went through this in that God proof thread over in Off-Topic.

[Astargath]

^^^ We went through this in that God proof thread over in Off-Topic.

Well, we might have but you never actually provided any solid evidence that ''outside the universe'' is real because there is none, in fact you never even defined what ''outside the universe'' would even be, it's a very abstract concept anyways because, why is it ''outside'', it's not like the universe is a thing, it's just what that we call it universe but it's literally everything that exists.

[BADecker]

^^^ How in the world many additional threads are you going to run inside this one, Evolution is a hoax, thread?

[Astargath]

^^^ How in the world many additional threads are you going to run inside this one, Evolution is a hoax, thread?

Well, since you keep claiming stupid shit without any kind of evidence to back it up, as many as it takes, we are still waiting for that evidence of ''outside the universe'' yet you keep talking about irrelevant shit because there is no evidence for ''outside the universe''. You are a paid liar, perhaps by the church.

[BADecker]

^^^ Further attempted distractions from the fact that evolution is a hoax.

Nobody has proof that evolution is real. All they have is the science fiction that Darwin put forth, with a bunch of additions over the years to fill out the missing parts. The fact is that the filling was necessary to make the story seem real, because since the time of Darwin, loads of discoveries have been made that entirely disprove Darwin.

Got any proof that evolution factually exists? If not, why not say it like it is?... that evolution is a cute idea thought up by some jokers who were looking for other ideas than creation.

Since you present unproven evolution as fact, especially when you know that it can't be prove by any means that we have available, you are perpetrating a lie.

Evolution is a hoax, and you are one of the hoaxers.

[Astargath]

^^^ Further attempted distractions from the fact that evolution is a hoax.

Nobody has proof that evolution is real. All they have is the science fiction that Darwin put forth, with a bunch of additions over the years to fill out the missing parts. The fact is that the filling was necessary to make the story seem real, because since the time of Darwin, loads of discoveries have been made that entirely disprove Darwin.

Got any proof that evolution factually exists? If not, why not say it like it is?... that evolution is a cute idea thought up by some jokers who were looking for other ideas than creation.

Since you present unproven evolution as fact, especially when you know that it can't be prove by any means that we have available, you are perpetrating a lie.

Evolution is a hoax, and you are one of the hoaxers.

I showed dozens of different proofs of evolution and it all came down to you inventing cause and effect as an 100% fact and 'outside the universe' to try and debunk the evidence presented. That's why we are discussing about it and you keep ignoring it because you have no evidence of it. Admit you lost.

[BADecker]

^^^ You showed things like
- evolution = adaptation
- evolution = simple change
- evolution = like begets like.

The thing you didn't show was one animal changing into another over hundreds of thousands of years. Since this is the biggest part of evolution, and since you didn't show this, you didn't show evolution. You might have repeated the fiction story that this is what happened, but you didn't show that it happened.

Since the hundreds-of-thousands-of-years thing is the BIGGEST part of evolution, and since you didn't show that it happened, you didn't show evolution. But if you claim you showed evolution because you showed that evolution was in adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like, you are really turning the word "evolution" into semantics through being vague. When you do this, you are simply and essentially saying that...

Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ You showed things like
- evolution = adaptation
- evolution = simple change
- evolution = like begets like.

The thing you didn't show was one animal changing into another over hundreds of thousands of years. Since this is the biggest part of evolution, and since you didn't show this, you didn't show evolution. You might have repeated the fiction story that this is what happened, but you didn't show that it happened.

Since the hundreds-of-thousands-of-years thing is the BIGGEST part of evolution, and since you didn't show that it happened, you didn't show evolution. But if you claim you showed evolution because you showed that evolution was in adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like, you are really turning the word "evolution" into semantics through being vague. When you do this, you are simply and essentially saying that...

Evolution is a hoax.

https://brightside.me/wonder-animals/how-11-animals-have-changed-over-time-665560/
http://mentalfloss.com/article/64300/6-animals-are-rapidly-evolving
http://www.ba-bamail.com/content.aspx?emailid=31994

I mean, I can continue, do you need more? I'm now waiting for the next excuse which eventually will turn into the classic made up cause and effect ''law'' and ''outside the universe''.

[BADecker]

^^^ Anybody who puts his mind to it can think up science fiction stories like these, that don't have any real substance in fact.

Evolution is a hoax.



EDIT: All you are showing is evidence of adaptation that doesn't cover thousands of years. Or if it did, have you or anyone gone back and watched the changes over the thousands of years... or at least tracked the DNA to ascertain that evolution really happened?

[Astargath]

^^^ Anybody who puts his mind to it can think up science fiction stories like these, that don't have any real substance in fact.

Evolution is a hoax.



EDIT: All you are showing is evidence of adaptation that doesn't cover thousands of years. Or if it did, have you or anyone gone back and watched the changes over the thousands of years... or at least tracked the DNA to ascertain that evolution really happened?

Do you know the difference between adaption and evolution though? Evolution IS adaption that is passed through generations, you are, again, really confused about this whole thing. I also don't need to show changes over thousands of years when I can show changes over decades.

''As more brown owls survive, more brown genes get passed down through generations.'' See, through generations which is evolution. Of course evolution has to start with adaption, that's the point of it, I don't think you even know the definition of either one.

Evolution is simple, you have a group of animals, something bad usually happens and they are forced to adapt quickly, most of them die, the ones who adapted survive and pass their genes to the next generations and voila! Evolution.

[BADecker]

^^^ Don't you see that the major difference and similarity (at the same time) between adaptation and evolution is the random mutation change? I talk about pure random. Why? Because random in the standard sense means that the reason for the mutation is not understood.

Since the mutation isn't understood, there is no factual evolution. Why not? Because the mutation is said, right in the understanding of evolution, that it is not understood.

Since it is not understood, how can anyone say that it is a changing of one animal into another? "Evolution," by its own self-description, destroys any understanding that for-a-fact it is a change from one animal to another. How? Through the use of the word "random."

Random mutations are mutations, the understanding of which, is not known. This is what makes evolution like adaptation. Nobody knows if unknown mutations are causing one animal changing to another, or simply an animal adapting to its surroundings.

Since it is not known that one animal is changing into another, evolution is a nice idea. But by its own description is unknown to exist. All the experimentation and digging for fossils, is a looking for something that hasn't, yet, been proven to exist. The explanation that evolution has random involved, says so.

When folks say that evolution exists, knowing that they haven't found any such thing for sure, they are simply propagating a hoax.

If, someday, people can prove that it isn't a hoax by finding a definite changing of one animal to another, through some means like actually DNA change observation, they might have some evidence that evolution can exist. But then they would have to track the same kind of changes through all time to see if evolution was the fact regarding life. This is essentially impossible regarding any science that we are even close to having.

Evolution might be something that is hoped for. It certainly is something that is looked for. But as it stands, to say that evolution is factual is entirely wrong. Evolution is a hoax.

[Astargath]

^^^ Don't you see that the major difference and similarity (at the same time) between adaptation and evolution is the random mutation change? I talk about pure random. Why? Because random in the standard sense means that the reason for the mutation is not understood.

Since the mutation isn't understood, there is no factual evolution. Why not? Because the mutation is said, right in the understanding of evolution, that it is not understood.

Since it is not understood, how can anyone say that it is a changing of one animal into another? "Evolution," by its own self-description, destroys any understanding that for-a-fact it is a change from one animal to another. How? Through the use of the word "random."

Random mutations are mutations, the understanding of which, is not known. This is what makes evolution like adaptation. Nobody knows if unknown mutations are causing one animal changing to another, or simply an animal adapting to its surroundings.

Since it is not known that one animal is changing into another, evolution is a nice idea. But by its own description is unknown to exist. All the experimentation and digging for fossils, is a looking for something that hasn't, yet, been proven to exist. The explanation that evolution has random involved, says so.

When folks say that evolution exists, knowing that they haven't found any such thing for sure, they are simply propagating a hoax.

If, someday, people can prove that it isn't a hoax by finding a definite changing of one animal to another, through some means like actually DNA change observation, they might have some evidence that evolution can exist. But then they would have to track the same kind of changes through all time to see if evolution was the fact regarding life. This is essentially impossible regarding any science that we are even close to having.

Evolution might be something that is hoped for. It certainly is something that is looked for. But as it stands, to say that evolution is factual is entirely wrong. Evolution is a hoax.

one animal changing to another, or simply an animal adapting to its surroundings.

Yep, you clearly don't understand it, no wonder you think it's a hoax. Evolution doesn't happen to 1 animal in particular, it happens to a whole species of animals. It's as simple as the example of the peppered moth. ''The evolution of the peppered moth is an evolutionary instance of directional colour change in the moth population as a consequence of air pollution during the Industrial Revolution. The frequency of dark-coloured moths increased at that time, an example of industrial melanism. Later, when pollution was reduced, the light-coloured form again predominated.''

Now if the pollution wasn't reduced, eventually all the light coloured moths would have died and only the dark ones would live, that's what we call evolution, again, it's clear you simply don't understand what evolution is. I think you think evolution is one animal randomly changing into another lol.

[BADecker]

^^^ You really don't get it, do you. Evolution doesn't happen to one animal. It doesn't happen to any animal. The evolution story happens to people, and the results of it in the minds of people happen to animals at times. But no evolution happens.

The peppered moth was adaptation, without evolution theory evolution. It's the same moth with different coloring. It isn't a whole different kind of moth, or some other kind of bug. This isn't evolution theory evolution. It's adaptation evolution. There isn't any evolution theory evolution.

I don't think you have been listening to what all the evolution scientists say. They say that animals change into other animals in evolution. They even say that some form of monkey/chimpanzee/gorilla changed into humans. How in the world dense are you that you support evolution but don't think that evolution has to do with changing of one animal or plant into another?

All you are talking about is like when you changed from a child into an adult. Your evolution is simply stages in the life of a human. Humans don't change into other creatures. They are always humans. As humans they adapt to all kinds of human changes. Call the process of adaptation evolution if you want. But it is never evolution theory evolution, where humans change into some other kind of creature.

Evolution is a hoax.