[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented

[joker_josue]

There are several possible scenarios but what is in the 7TB data is one of the missing pieces. Would it really be impossible to presume the owner of Chipmixer decided to keep a log of every single transaction that he facilitated? Just because he said he did not back up any data or store any keys does not mean he was true to his word.

Have you ever thought that these 7TB could refer to contents of other projects that the owner of ChipMixer had?

But even if it does, do you think that in 10 years of running the mixer, it would generate 7TB of transaction logs? I honestly have serious doubts, just look at the size of the Bitcoin blockchain, which is around 500GB. Of course, that doesn't mean that in the middle of those 7TB there are some logs.

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[JollyGood]

Maybe the disk size hosting package was 7TB and there was nominal size data on it after the OS and updates were added and the vast majority of the 7TB was empty disk space. It is possible it was something completely different, we simply do not know. All I know is that there is no need for anybody to believe the owner of Chipmixer would not have backed up keys or mixed coin data.

Have you ever thought that these 7TB could refer to contents of other projects that the owner of ChipMixer had?

But even if it does, do you think that in 10 years of running the mixer, it would generate 7TB of transaction logs? I honestly have serious doubts, just look at the size of the Bitcoin blockchain, which is around 500GB. Of course, that doesn't mean that in the middle of those 7TB there are some logs.

[james3441]

Of course, we can't rule out the possibility that someone created their own chips, but my guess is the older keys weren't compromised.

When was the bc1 key transition announced?
To be clear, you suggest that the LE did not move funds on addresses starting with "1" but only in "bc1". What about addresses starting with "3", did chip mixer ever had these?

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I'll also state what i said in another thread:

Fact is: chipmixer lied in it's claims to delete private keys.
I don't know how can anyone defend them after it was made clear by users. I suspect it's about the signature campaign, so ukhm.. corruption or Stockholm syndrome?
Therefore it is justified to assume that chip mixer ran from the very beginning as private honeypot for the owner and gathered all kinds of information.

Based on what was stated by LE - what kind of high-profile actors moved money through chipmixer, I don't think the vietnamese guy will be ever found alive, best case for him is to surrender to LE
Other people and some eastern 3 letter agencies might be looking for him to find out what the truth was. Not only law enforcement.
He not only f*** himself but also other people. Fortunately in many countries using such obfuscation services or receiving funds from them is not making you guilty of anything.

If the @Chipmixer guy had at least some honor, he'd post here what was stored so it's clear for all the people using his toy.
The fact that he's hiding, does not mean he has no access to the internet or that he is not watching our posts.

PS. 7TB can be either nodes, backups, or the forensics image of the whole drive/s including free space.

[crewdede]

Of course, we can't rule out the possibility that someone created their own chips, but my guess is the older keys weren't compromised.

When was the bc1 key transition announced?
To be clear, you suggest that the LE did not move funds on addresses starting with "1" but only in "bc1". What about addresses starting with "3", did chip mixer ever had these?

Yes, all were moved, including the ones starting with 1, 3,  etc.... it's funny how someone will be such an idiot to keep private keys online! what if an hacker would had come and steal all the coins? 49 millions!
Most likely it was an LE honey trap. Now they will most likely go to coinbase and recover even more... steal all the coins even from honest people , mixing everyone together!


https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1BN93SAJmNtk67ev6kLPzek8FtBZDRfbdh

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1JFG1oj9HtgMJ2YEg3E3qn5wBvPaaWqpHo

[JollyGood]

There is a lot of misinformation surrounding Chipmixer and the owner/operator but what data was on the 7TB disk remains the biggest question. Like you I suppose it could consist of nodes, backups, or the forensics image of the whole drive/s including free space rather than simply backing up all transactions as even then it would be hard to believe 7TB of disk space would have been taken up on it.

When was the bc1 key transition announced?PS. 7TB can be either nodes, backups, or the forensics image of the whole drive/s including free space.

[joker_josue]

If the @Chipmixer guy had at least some honor, he'd post here what was stored so it's clear for all the people using his toy.
The fact that he's hiding, does not mean he has no access to the internet or that he is not watching our posts.

He might even want to do that. But we must not forget that he is being highly watched, any movement could jeopardize his escape.

And almost certainly, that your account here in the forum is being monitored. By the way, this topic should be monitored and the authorities follow what is said here.

[bct_ail]

I am also unsure what the 7TB include. But so far it is only a statement about the size from the authorities. Maybe it is less than 7TB? Or maybe someone just mistyped and meant 'G' instead of 'T'?

But apparently the private keys were kept. Otherwise could it be that the owner has installed some kind of a "dead man kill switch"? So in case something goes wrong at least some chips can be saved before the authorities have access to them?

[BenCodie]

There is a lot of misinformation surrounding Chipmixer and the owner/operator but what data was on the 7TB disk remains the biggest question. Like you I suppose it could consist of nodes, backups, or the forensics image of the whole drive/s including free space rather than simply backing up all transactions as even then it would be hard to believe 7TB of disk space would have been taken up on it.

When was the bc1 key transition announced?PS. 7TB can be either nodes, backups, or the forensics image of the whole drive/s including free space.

I think that node data is a high probability for a majority of the data. It has been mentioned that personal data was also included, including photos. If so, this would be a large portion also. However, 7TB sounds like a figure that includes no culling. I would not be surprised at all if all private keys are included, and virtually everything related to the service such as databases. It's a big mystery at this stage as to the effect this will all have on users in the long future, which is quite a shame.

[CreepyUncleJoe]

Even before data was seized, it was possible for analytics companies to see all incoming and outgoing transactions from ChipMixer. It was so clear and obvious, onchain. The problem was to to make a connection of incoming and outgoing (chips).

So, the only thing that really matters is if he kept sessions (logs) for more then 7 days.

[dean7346]

so we can not use chipmixer now?

[BenCodie]

so we can not use chipmixer now?

Sure, go ahead and use a service that has been seized by law enforcement who have also swept all coins relating to the service 
Sarcasm aside, this is quite a silly question to ask, don't you think?

Even before data was seized, it was possible for analytics companies to see all incoming and outgoing transactions from ChipMixer. It was so clear and obvious, onchain. The problem was to to make a connection of incoming and outgoing (chips).

So, the only thing that really matters is if he kept sessions (logs) for more then 7 days.

If private keys were not destroyed as advertised, there's no reason why sessions were destroyed as advertised either in my opinion.

[james3441]

so we can not use chipmixer now?

If private keys were not destroyed as advertised, there's no reason why sessions were destroyed as advertised either in my opinion.

I'm not programmer but if all private keys were derived from the same seed associated with the node, is it simple to delete single private key from the node?
I think there's a chance that all transaction data could have been deleted from local database associated with the website but not privkeys from the node due to some sort of complexity.
IMO. maybe 20% chance for this. Assume the worst.

[BenCodie]

so we can not use chipmixer now?

If private keys were not destroyed as advertised, there's no reason why sessions were destroyed as advertised either in my opinion.

I'm not programmer but if all private keys were derived from the same seed associated with the node, is it simple to delete single private key from the node?
I think there's a chance that all transaction data could have been deleted from local database associated with the website but not privkeys from the node due to some sort of complexity.
IMO. maybe 20% chance for this. Assume the worst.

I believe that transaction data is not of the hugest importance as this can all be seen on-chain already. What is most concerning from a user perspective is what resides in the database for sessions, which I assume would include the deposit information, the chips or vouchers relating to that session, timestamps and the usage information. All of which would reverse all privacy that the user assumed they were gaining when they used the service.

[JollyGood]

If there is a possibility that all (or almost all) transactions could potentially have their privacy reversed then it will be as you said most concerning from a user perspective. We do not know whether the Chipmixer owner retained user data while claiming anonymity but the details will be known as and when the law enforcement agencies release it.

I believe that transaction data is not of the hugest importance as this can all be seen on-chain already. What is most concerning from a user perspective is what resides in the database for sessions, which I assume would include the deposit information, the chips or vouchers relating to that session, timestamps and the usage information. All of which would reverse all privacy that the user assumed they were gaining when they used the service.

[joker_josue]

If there is a possibility that all (or almost all) transactions could potentially have their privacy reversed then it will be as you said most concerning from a user perspective. We do not know whether the Chipmixer retained user data while claiming anonymity but the details will be known as and when the law enforcement agencies release it.

If this really is true, then we have to wait some time for this information to be revealed.

Because now, the authorities must be carefully analyzing every detail of these records and checking all onchain movements, as well as comparing them with addresses that they have referenced as suspicious. This will involve long hours (days/weeks) of analysis, which will certainly lead to some time without news about this process.

At this point, it's no longer worth getting desperate. I believe that for the majority of users, it will not be something to worry about, because the authorities will be focused on big criminals who already know that they use Bitcoin as a way to finance their schemes.

[LoyceV]

If there is a possibility that all (or almost all) transactions could potentially have their privacy reversed then it will be as you said most concerning from a user perspective.

Even if that's true, it still depends on who you're hiding from. If you don't want your local barista to know you're rich in Bitcoin, you're still good. There's still no blockchain evidence linking your addresses.

the authorities will be focused on big criminals

I haven't seen anyone who's against that.

[JollyGood]

Because now, the authorities must be carefully analyzing every detail of these records and checking all onchain movements, as well as comparing them with addresses that they have referenced as suspicious. This will involve long hours (days/weeks) of analysis, which will certainly lead to some time without news about this process.

They probably have some sort of software where everything gets analysed after various data is inputted. Receiving outputs really should not take too long.

At this point, it's no longer worth getting desperate. I believe that for the majority of users, it will not be something to worry about, because the authorities will be focused on big criminals who already know that they use Bitcoin as a way to finance their schemes.

I would like to think those that used Chipmixer or other mixers for privacy reasons on extremely small scales such as when receiving signature campaign fees or when asking for micro loans in the forum, would most probably have nothing to worry about.

However, by far the majority of those that used Chipmixer for nefarious purposes will be concerned because if any transaction via Chipmixer can be linked directly to them they will end up facing serious criminal charges. The accusation of $3 billion laundered is very serious therefore those that used Chipmixer for money laundering and other crimes could now (if linked) be worried about being arrested, having possible criminal investigations against them and could possibly also have their personal assets seized.

[joker_josue]

However, by far the majority of those that used Chipmixer for nefarious purposes will be concerned because if any transaction via Chipmixer can be linked directly to them they will end up facing serious criminal charges. The accusation of $3 billion laundered is very serious therefore those that used Chipmixer for money laundering and other crimes could now (if linked) be worried about being arrested, having possible criminal investigations against them and could possibly also have their personal assets seized.

I even think it's very good that this happens, many of these criminals are highly dangerous for society, and maybe they have stolen a lot of money from several people.

Unfortunately we won't meet most of the victims, but maybe we will meet some of those criminals who will be caught.

This is the problem of systems that are useful for ordinary people, ends up being used and abused by criminal people. Unfortunately, I don't think it's easy to avoid this situation.

[DarkUtopia]

Sorry if this may already addressed here in the discussion but what are the real alternative we can use and be safe using a new mixer service?
Coinomize? [banned mixer]?
There are some trustworthy comparison of all the "safe" crypto mixer out there?
Really thanks for the help

[LeGaulois]

Hi

See the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

There are a dozen alternatives aroud
It's just a listing and not a comparison. I beg people still do their due diligence before using any service because there are toooo many scams
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381839.0

(welcome to the forum)