[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented

[DarkUtopia]

Hi

See the topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

There are a dozen alternatives aroud
It's just a listing and not a comparison. I beg people still do their due diligence before using any service because there are toooo many scams
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381839.0

(welcome to the forum)

Thank you for your help, I'll see those links and I guess I have to study what is the best

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[BenCodie]

If there is a possibility that all (or almost all) transactions could potentially have their privacy reversed then it will be as you said most concerning from a user perspective.

Even if that's true, it still depends on who you're hiding from. If you don't want your local barista to know you're rich in Bitcoin, you're still good. There's still no blockchain evidence linking your addresses.

I wonder what the percentage of chipmixer users were using it to hide from their local barista

If there is a possibility that all (or almost all) transactions could potentially have their privacy reversed then it will be as you said most concerning from a user perspective. We do not know whether the Chipmixer retained user data while claiming anonymity but the details will be known as and when the law enforcement agencies release it.

If this really is true, then we have to wait some time for this information to be revealed.

Because now, the authorities must be carefully analyzing every detail of these records and checking all onchain movements, as well as comparing them with addresses that they have referenced as suspicious. This will involve long hours (days/weeks) of analysis, which will certainly lead to some time without news about this process.

At this point, it's no longer worth getting desperate. I believe that for the majority of users, it will not be something to worry about, because the authorities will be focused on big criminals who already know that they use Bitcoin as a way to finance their schemes.

You're right. There will probably not be any news unless a major group that is still operating are found from the data collected. Otherwise, no information will be revealed. I believe that anyone who isn't apart of an organization that deserves justice shouldn't be overly concerned or scared. Privacy is a human right. If you aren't a criminal, don't be too concerned about the data being leaked. It would be a big act of tyranny for authorities to go after innocent people who just wanted some peace of mind about their privacy before spending their Bitcoin.

[CreepyUncleJoe]

I wonder what the percentage of chipmixer users were using it to hide from their local barista

Right now they are busy destroying hard drives, phones, cleaning or burning their houses... Because, they don't want their local barista to know what they were doing with Bitcoin. 

[Bitcoin_Arena]

I wonder what the percentage of chipmixer users were using it to hide from their local barista

Just like Tornado cash, the reason authorities shutdown chipmixer was probably because they were after Big fish (The hackers that used the mixer to hide the money trail and maybe the owners of the service)
I don't think regular users that had no criminal deals should be worried at all, even if they used Chipmixer several times.

[NotATether]

Somebody has been bumping all the other mixer threads lately...

[LeGaulois]

Somebody has been bumping all the other mixer threads lately...

It's me (for a part).

I noticed someone bumped old topics of mixers closed since a long time. I don't get the goal.
I couldn't resist to bump some topics of mixers currently alive and Bisq-Coinsbee.

childish I know.

[crewdede]

any updates?

[hugeblack]

any updates?

update about what? ChipMixer was seized by US gov, They didn't decide to stop voluntarily so all the updates you may hear is has the owner been arrested or not? And what will happen to people who used or advertised the service?

[examplens]

Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).
Just find some of them:

chipmix.io
chipmixẹr.com
chipmixer.one
chipbitmixer.com
Chipsmixer.com

[LeGaulois]

Because they're not accused of money laundering like Chipmixer is. They perfectly know these sites are just carbon copies to lure people.
They're not big enough to interest any 3 letters agency. Now if they come to discover they successfully scamed a thousand of people with a few thousands millions of dollars, it will be another story.

These sites will not disappear as long as the traffic keeps coming. At the very least, there might be one or two who will say "oh shit, I can be next" but I'd be very surprised. Scammers know they risk almost nothing.

update about what?

LOL, the same thing I was thinking. But he perfectly knows there is none, since he participates in different topics on this matter.
If there had been a news item, we would have talked about it and he would have read it

[joker_josue]

Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).

To what extent are these clone sites not scam? They must all be... 
This is already another type of department that deals with these cases. That as long as they don't receive complaints they shouldn't do much.

If they're not scam, it's like @LeGaulois commented, they're not big enough for them to spend time investigating. They will just be monitoring and nothing more.

[examplens]

Because they're not accused of money laundering like Chipmixer is. They perfectly know these sites are just carbon copies to lure people.

They seized chipmixer.io although he was never part of the original chipmixer service. If they already did a detailed investigation, they had to investigate everything, even if it was fake sites (which are illegal in every sense). therefore, they only partially did their work.

[hZti]

What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

[NotATether]

Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).

To what extent are these clone sites not scam? They must all be... 
This is already another type of department that deals with these cases. That as long as they don't receive complaints they shouldn't do much.

If they're not scam, it's like @LeGaulois commented, they're not big enough for them to spend time investigating. They will just be monitoring and nothing more.

Classic half-measures by the Feds

[pilosopotasyo]

What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

They want people to panic so they can trace who is taking action to hide their coins from being traced, they have not made an arrest because it's too early to do that, they have caught a big fish and it has all the keys to trace and chase these criminals.
It's not even been a month their top priority is to catch Nguyen, then they can go after to other criminals once they arrest him he will open a pandora and they can start from that.

[Slow death]

What you should also consider is, that the law enforcement can lie about the data to spread panic!
So far nobody was arrested. If they really have the data, why should they publish that they have it? If they actually have it it would be much wiser to keep quiet until you can actually make the arrests.

this used in war, you announce that you have many weapons and that you are going to take place X, Y and Z or else that you are conquering a lot of ground and that the enemy is being forced to retreat because he is losing a lot of military material. with that announcement the enemy starts to lose focus, spends more time thinking about whether the other side is really speaking the truth or not, and everything gets worse when it gets worse when you have little military equipment and few men to fight while your enemy is announcing that he has 4x or 5x amount of military equipment and 10x amount of men to fight.

with that in my opinion in the case of ChipMixer.com the authorities announced that they seized many bitcoins, servers and revealed the identity of the owner of ChipMixer.com, they did that which is precisely so that anyone close to the owner of ChipMixer.com will have afraid to deal with the owner of ChipMixer.com and turn him over to the police while the owner of ChipMixer.com will start to live in fear and isolated from people, which will eventually get mentally frayed and will make mistakes that will allow the police to arrest him .

the police may have lied about the identity of the owner ChipMixer.com only to catch the real owner of ChipMixer.com now that the police have made the announcement, it's a matter of time before they arrest the owner of ChipMixer. with

What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?

governments will use this case as an example and will not give opportunity to make fair judgments based on proof and laws

[LeGaulois]

I just remembered a story.

If you think about Chipmixer with his paypal accounts, hosting paid with PP, Binance's account, etc...
The same thing happened to Bitcoinfog to arrest the operator. He used Lyberty Reserve, a MtGox account with his real identity, etc.
Bought hosting server with LR and BTC coming from MtGox.

Almost exactly the same errors.

(Old people, or a bit old, surely remember about Liberty Reserve?)

What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?

It doesn't really matter. The fact is they consider CM as a money transmitter under the Bank Secrecy Act and he hasn't registered with FinCen and so hasn't maintained an anti-money laundering and KYC compliance program. If he did, he would have knew the origins of the transactions

Chipmixer: "I didn't know the origins"
The USA: "You didn't know because you didn't follow the laws"

(but good comparison with a war)

If you seize a server, you have no choice to have data of something. And if you're a law enforcement why should you refuse to collect data...
Unless you don't want to do your job...

[joker_josue]

What I can't figure out is how can the police prove that the owner of ChipMixer.com knew the origins of the transactions?

They will accuse him of allowing or facilitating this whitewashing to work.

Imagine that you have a bar, illegal gambling is played inside your home by some customers. The question now is do you ban this activity? No, then you can be considered an accomplice, even if you can't even identify the customers who participated in illegal gambling. You can say, that I didn't know who played. But, did you have any signs indicating that you were not authorized? When you found out, did you do anything to prevent it from happening again?

With this example, I just want to say that there are many ways to make an accusation in these types of cases.

But I believe that the problem of the alleged owner of ChipMixer will have more difficulty in defending himself, nor will it be the mixes he made, but the fact of using false identities.

[dkbit98]

Interestingly, a lot of Chipmixer clone pages still exist, and were not part of this investigation. one might think that it is a selective fight against the illegal use of mixing services, But this is not correct (I guess).

Who knows, maybe they are running few of this fake CM websites, it's not the first time government would do something like that.

Almost exactly the same errors.

It's almost looks like it's the same script with different actors, but I really don't trust whole story they presented in public, and I think they mixed ^{(funny term)} some truth with lot of speculations and fiction.

If you seize a server, you have no choice to have data of something. And if you're a law enforcement why should you refuse to collect data...
Unless you don't want to do your job...

Main question for me now is what are law enforcement agencies going to do with all this seized Bitcoins.
They can arbitrary decide that magically all this coins are not ''tainted'' anymore and they could sell them in auction or dump in some exchange.
Does anyone have wallet addresses so we can track any potential movement before they release anything in public?

[JollyGood]

One aspect of this whole situation (and in future it would be a huge talking-point) would be the manner in which other than the owner/operator of Chipmixer, zero blame seems to have been put on those that facilitated the money laundering operation.

For example, the hosting company where he used the servers. These servers were used for criminal activity to around $3 billion in money laundering yet no action was taken against them. The question of whether they were responsible in-part even by ignorance is one that can be asked by agencies. In the end they are a hosting company and would not be interested in what was being hosted but legally there might be obligations on them too.

If the servers were based in a country or jurisdiction where there is friction or conflict between them and the US government then the matter would most probably have more emphasis as being backed by various states with nefarious intentions. From what I read on the case, the only person of interest to the law enforcement agencies is the Chipmixer owner.