[ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented

[ChipMixer]

@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

Good question. Funds from cannot be stolen, unless you know private key. ChipMixer knows the key, you as a customer knows it and nobody else. Let's assume there was a hacker who somehow got the private key too.

How he got it?

Method 1. Eavesdropping

Customer visited http website? No, it redirects to https and you cannot start mixing with http.
Customer visited https and it was eavesdropped? No, https is encrypted, so private key will also be encrypted.
Customer visited .onion website? It is encrypted, so private key is also encrypted.
Customer visited MITM or forged copycat of ChipMixer? Attacker serves his address and does not give you any chips. Why risk that you will sweep them immediately?

Method 2. Hacking the server

Destroying the session deletes chip private key. In this case attacker would sweep hot wallet and active sessions. If for some reason you do not want to sweep everything instantly, there is no reason to sweep single private key of active session. This would only hurt ChipMixer reputation and that decreases your change for large loot.

This shows that single private key cannot be evesdropped, and hacking the server would result with much bigger mess.

Another group - ChipMixer. Stealing single chip hurts reputation. It is not worth to be little dishonest, when you pay much more for ads and sig campaigns.

Last group - Customer. Let's say you sweeped 1.024 BTC chip. You can write a post that somebody else sweeped it and you demand a refund. If you don't get a refund, you've lost nothing. If you get a refund, you've earned 1.024 BTC and nothing stops you from posting more complaints. Which is why ChipMixer will not refund.

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[btccashacc]

@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

Good question. Funds from cannot be stolen, unless you know private key. ChipMixer knows the key, you as a customer knows it and nobody else. Let's assume there was a hacker who somehow got the private key too.

How he got it?

Method 1. Eavesdropping

Customer visited http website? No, it redirects to https and you cannot start mixing with http.
Customer visited https and it was eavesdropped? No, https is encrypted, so private key will also be encrypted.
Customer visited .onion website? It is encrypted, so private key is also encrypted.
Customer visited MITM or forged copycat of ChipMixer? Attacker serves his address and does not give you any chips. Why risk that you will sweep them immediately?

interesting,  it reminds me of the long mixer service. their site was spoof on google result, the scammers are using google ads to promote their scam site. if this service get popular there's possibility for this site to have some clone sites which created by the scammer, well this can easily scam people if we search on google for cryptomixer or typo on the address.

On the other hand, this site is unique, bring inovation to  the mixing industry, at the first i thought it just another copycat mixing service, but i was wrong, i believe this project will be succesfull.

[btcton]

In case you missed it, ChipMixer.

If you are not satisfied with our service, please contact support in 48h (while your session is not yet deleted) and we can help you. Waiting few days then writing on forum while advertising bitmixer looks bit weird.

I have a question that probably a lot of users just starting to use chipmixer will probably share. What if the session is automatically destroyed after 48h and something happens, say the funds get stolen/private key doesn't work? Will support be able to help the user then?
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@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

As with other mixers and as is the nature of Bitcoin, there's not much that can be proven when you accuse someone of stealing.

For example, if a mixer/wallet/exchange is accused of stealing, no one can prove who actually spent the bitcoin since the only proof would be held by the person stealing and by the original owner, who might be the same person if the accusation is false. How could people know who is being truthful if the result would be the same regardless of whether the original owner spent the bitcoin or if the other party used the private key? It could even just be a hacker who managed to get the private key through other means. So in the end it all just comes down to trust and reputation of ChipMixer.

[HabBear]

Hi ChipMixer, can you share with us why using a chip mixer is better than using an online exchange lik Coinbase, Xapo, and others?

People that don't use chip mixers may not be aware of the risk that relying on an exchange to anonymize transactions and trails of transaction opens.

Thanks.

[Muhammed Zakir]

In case you missed it, ChipMixer.

If you are not satisfied with our service, please contact support in 48h (while your session is not yet deleted) and we can help you. Waiting few days then writing on forum while advertising bitmixer looks bit weird.

I have a question that probably a lot of users just starting to use chipmixer will probably share. What if the session is automatically destroyed after 48h and something happens, say the funds get stolen/private key doesn't work? Will support be able to help the user then?
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@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

As with other mixers and as is the nature of Bitcoin, there's not much that can be proven when you accuse someone of stealing.

For example, if a mixer/wallet/exchange is accused of stealing, no one can prove who actually spent the bitcoin since the only proof would be held by the person stealing and by the original owner, who might be the same person if the accusation is false. How could people know who is being truthful if the result would be the same regardless of whether the original owner spent the bitcoin or if the other party used the private key? It could even just be a hacker who managed to get the private key through other means.

There is a difference between ChipMixer and other mixing services, online wallets and exchanges, i.e. ChipMixer gives you private key. When we withdraw Bitcoin, you will get a receipt or a signed message saying you have withdrawn xx.xxxxBTC to 1xxxx...(or 3xxxx...). You or the service can check the withdrawal address you have given to see if you have gotten your bitcoins or not. Even if an accusation is made, you/service will be able to provide sufficient proof. If you couldn't, say they blocked your account, that will only make service's reputation worse. But that's not the case with ChipMixer. They are giving you private key which makes it harder to prove who send Bitcoin from that address.

So in the end it all just comes down to trust and reputation of ChipMixer.

Yes, you are right! However, anybody, especially competitors, could use this flaw to destroy their reputation.

If someone accused ChipMixer once, maybe a lie!
If it happens second time, is it really as trusted as others say?
If it happens for third time, suspicious!!!
If an accusation is made again, negative feedback!

[Iranus]

Hi ChipMixer, can you share with us why using a chip mixer is better than using an online exchange lik Coinbase, Xapo, and others?

That's pretty obvious.  They are offering a mixing service, which is unrelated to those online services.  If you're talking about using those services as mixers, then it's obviously because they don't want you using them as mixers and could suspend your account, as well as the fact that Chipmixer lets you have the private keys and fiddle with the amounts to anonymise them better.

Yes, you are right! However, anybody, especially competitors, could use this flaw to destroy their reputation.

Also there's the fact that in the unlikely scenario that Chipmixer did turn out to be a scam, it would be extremely hard to tell whether or not all the accusations were accurate or just a lie.  Bitmixer makes it easier to prove with the letter of guarantee, so this is quite a flaw.

[aTriz]

In case you missed it, ChipMixer.

If you are not satisfied with our service, please contact support in 48h (while your session is not yet deleted) and we can help you. Waiting few days then writing on forum while advertising bitmixer looks bit weird.

I have a question that probably a lot of users just starting to use chipmixer will probably share. What if the session is automatically destroyed after 48h and something happens, say the funds get stolen/private key doesn't work? Will support be able to help the user then?
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@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

As with other mixers and as is the nature of Bitcoin, there's not much that can be proven when you accuse someone of stealing.

For example, if a mixer/wallet/exchange is accused of stealing, no one can prove who actually spent the bitcoin since the only proof would be held by the person stealing and by the original owner, who might be the same person if the accusation is false. How could people know who is being truthful if the result would be the same regardless of whether the original owner spent the bitcoin or if the other party used the private key? It could even just be a hacker who managed to get the private key through other means.

There is a difference between ChipMixer and other mixing services, online wallets and exchanges, i.e. ChipMixer gives you private key. When we withdraw Bitcoin, you will get a receipt or a signed message saying you have withdrawn xx.xxxxBTC to 1xxxx...(or 3xxxx...). You or the service can check the withdrawal address you have given to see if you have gotten your bitcoins or not. Even if an accusation is made, you/service will be able to provide sufficient proof. If you couldn't, say they blocked your account, that will only make service's reputation worse. But that's not the case with ChipMixer. They are giving you private key which makes it harder to prove who send Bitcoin from that address.

So in the end it all just comes down to trust and reputation of ChipMixer.

Yes, you are right! However, anybody, especially competitors, could use this flaw to destroy their reputation.

If someone accused ChipMixer once, maybe a lie!
If it happens second time, is it really as trusted as others say?
If it happens for third time, suspicious!!!
If an accusation is made again, negative feedback!

Well, now that you've mentioned this possibility i think it's really a bit daunting.

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

Does @chipmixer have any sort of strategy to prevent this from happening? Maybe get the person using the chipmixer service to insert a bitcoin address in the beginning and then just before the private keys are revealed, they have to sign a message with the exact same address to prove that it is still them accessing the private keys and nothing fishy is going on?

[jorneyflair]

@ChipMixer: What do you do if someone claims you have stolen Bitcoin from private key you have given. If it is a small amount, it may not have much impact because of the trust you have. But, what happens if it is a large amount? I hope you have already thought about it and have come up with a solution or is working on one! Good luck! By the way, I have sent you a PM! Please reply! Thanks!

Good question. Funds from cannot be stolen, unless you know private key. ChipMixer knows the key, you as a customer knows it and nobody else. Let's assume there was a hacker who somehow got the private key too.

How he got it?

Method 1. Eavesdropping

Customer visited http website? No, it redirects to https and you cannot start mixing with http.
Customer visited https and it was eavesdropped? No, https is encrypted, so private key will also be encrypted.
Customer visited .onion website? It is encrypted, so private key is also encrypted.
Customer visited MITM or forged copycat of ChipMixer? Attacker serves his address and does not give you any chips. Why risk that you will sweep them immediately?

Method 2. Hacking the server

Destroying the session deletes chip private key. In this case attacker would sweep hot wallet and active sessions. If for some reason you do not want to sweep everything instantly, there is no reason to sweep single private key of active session. This would only hurt ChipMixer reputation and that decreases your change for large loot.

This shows that single private key cannot be evesdropped, and hacking the server would result with much bigger mess.

Another group - ChipMixer. Stealing single chip hurts reputation. It is not worth to be little dishonest, when you pay much more for ads and sig campaigns.

Last group - Customer. Let's say you sweeped 1.024 BTC chip. You can write a post that somebody else sweeped it and you demand a refund. If you don't get a refund, you've lost nothing. If you get a refund, you've earned 1.024 BTC and nothing stops you from posting more complaints. Which is why ChipMixer will not refund.

The no refund policy is a good decision because otherwise setting a precedent will make you the target of wannabe scammers.

Another reason why if you are paranoid about this, just sweep the chips as soon as you get them. This is probably the safest way that you can go about it. Really, there is no need to panic. Just because your private key is exposed doesn't mean that chipmixer is any less secure than say, blockchain.info. If someone hacked into your computer then your blockchain.info account would be compromised as well, it's not just chipmixer. in teh end it comes down to whether you trust Chipmixer or not, and whether your computer is secure or not. If there are two yeses for these questions then you shouldn't have any sort of problem with hacks when using chipmixer honestly.

[LoyceV]

... Which is why ChipMixer will not refund.

Good explanation, this makes perfect sense to me.

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

There is nothing any site can do against this. You can say any exchange, casino or other site gave you a deposit-address and changed it right after you deposited. The site can't prove it isn't true, while you could screenshot or even record the whole action with a simple "inspect element > change address" in your browser.
You can only be sure a site has no interest in doing so, as it earns more in the long run being honest.

[ChipMixer]

Hi ChipMixer, can you share with us why using a chip mixer is better than using an online exchange lik Coinbase, Xapo, and others?

I assume you ask "can I mix my coins by depositing them to an exchange and withdrawing?". Depends how much privacy you want. Every KYC exchange cooperates with blockchain analysis companies. Some of them may give an exchange a much lower price if they share their users data. Sharing your email is a big NO for every company, but sharing md5 hash of your email is usually OK (and that allows them to link you between exchanges).  If you just want to hide from weak stalker then exchanges are fine.

Does @chipmixer have any sort of strategy to prevent this from happening? Maybe get the person using the chipmixer service to insert a bitcoin address in the beginning and then just before the private keys are revealed, they have to sign a message with the exact same address to prove that it is still them accessing the private keys and nothing fishy is going on?

This would only hurt customers to make mixer usage problematic.

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

There is nothing any site can do against this. You can say any exchange, casino or other site gave you a deposit-address and changed it right after you deposited.

That is not true. Bitmixer offers letter of guarantee. They show input and output addresses and signs them with their private key. Customer see it before they deposit. This is very nice feature and we would really like to have it, but we cannot. Their method is non-interactive and both inputs and outputs are known before deposit and if anything goes wrong, they can complain public. Output of ChipMixer is unpredictable - you can pick whatever chip sizes you want, you can bet, you can freeze them with vouchers. It offers better privacy, but downside is that we cannot offer letter of guarantee.

[btcton]

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

There is nothing any site can do against this. You can say any exchange, casino or other site gave you a deposit-address and changed it right after you deposited.

That is not true. Bitmixer offers letter of guarantee. They show input and output addresses and signs them with their private key. Customer see it before they deposit. This is very nice feature and we would really like to have it, but we cannot. Their method is non-interactive and both inputs and outputs are known before deposit and if anything goes wrong, they can complain public. Output of ChipMixer is unpredictable - you can pick whatever chip sizes you want, you can bet, you can freeze them with vouchers. It offers better privacy, but downside is that we cannot offer letter of guarantee.

I was not familiar with the letter of guarantee method used by Bitmixer, but now that you have mentioned it, I wonder why it isn't possible with ChipMixer. Once the mixing amounts have been confirmed by the user, would it not be possible to sign a message containing the final chips being output in the mixing process, along with the input? The chip sizes may not be known prior by ChipMixer, but once they are chosen by the user wouldn't it be possible to include in a signed message?

I have not yet tried either of the mixers out myself, so please forgive me if I misunderstand the process involved in either of these.

[hello_good_sir]

Well, refund or not ultimately you have to trust Chipmixer.

I've used the mixer a couple times now and i don't think that i've encountered any sort of issues apart from the high transaction fees when you have small chips, they literally eat away like 70% of the total value of the chip. But that's not chipmixer's fault, nor can they do anything to change that.

Btcton, signing such a message is possible but what good will it do? If a competitor wants to frame chipmixer for scamming then this letter of guarantee proves absolutely nothing. Chipmixer does not know where the money is going before it issent.

[magneto]

First of all I find it extremely unlikely that any competitors would want to 'frame' chipmixer as a scammer. That is extremely unlikely. There is a possibility that a user just wants to get free coins.

Be in a safe environment and make sure your computer is free of viruses. Chipmixer has no reason to steal your money when they've spent so much on developing and promoting this. Sweep the keys if you need to.

I find it odd that people think chipmixer is somehow less trustworthy than other services who just send the coins directly to you. If you think about it it's about exactly the same likelihood that they will scam, which is almost zero especially if dealing with small amounts.

[Muhammed Zakir]

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

There is nothing any site can do against this. You can say any exchange, casino or other site gave you a deposit-address and changed it right after you deposited.

That is not true. Bitmixer offers letter of guarantee. They show input and output addresses and signs them with their private key. Customer see it before they deposit. This is very nice feature and we would really like to have it, but we cannot. Their method is non-interactive and both inputs and outputs are known before deposit and if anything goes wrong, they can complain public. Output of ChipMixer is unpredictable - you can pick whatever chip sizes you want, you can bet, you can freeze them with vouchers. It offers better privacy, but downside is that we cannot offer letter of guarantee.

I was not familiar with the letter of guarantee method used by Bitmixer, but now that you have mentioned it, I wonder why it isn't possible with ChipMixer. Once the mixing amounts have been confirmed by the user, would it not be possible to sign a message containing the final chips being output in the mixing process, along with the input? The chip sizes may not be known prior by ChipMixer, but once they are chosen by the user wouldn't it be possible to include in a signed message?

I have not yet tried either of the mixers out myself, so please forgive me if I misunderstand the process involved in either of these.

Receipt - a writing acknowledging the receiving of goods or money.

Other mixers send Bitcoin directly to address we give them. After they send Bitcoin to our addresses, they give us receipt or signed message saying they have send x.xxxBTC to <address given>. However, ChipMixer doesn't actually send Bitcoin, they give us private key related to the address which has Bitcoin. Either we or ChipMixer can send Bitcoin from that address. In worst case, a hacker if the private key was stolen. So they can't give a "receipt".

If they give receipt after mixing and before they give us private keys, then they are essentially saying "we paid you" even before "paying" us. That is not a "receipt".

If they give a signed message mentioning they have sent us private keys like they are already doing, that is only a "receipt" saying "we have send you private key(s)", not "we have send you Bitcoin" because they can send Bitcoin from that address anytime if they want.

ChipMixer's signed receipt:

Code:

--- MESSAGE ---
This is a receipt / confirmation that you have received following
private keys from ChipMixer:
### CHIP SIZE: <amount> BTC
Address: <address #1>; Private key: <private key #1>
### CHIP SIZE: <amount> BTC
Address: <address #2>; Private key: <private key #2>


This message is signed with ChipMixer's Bitcoin address:
1ChipMwvHe5tewb1Uqa9bbZZJDmgPV1TC7

--- SIGNATURE ---
<signature>
--- END ---

First of all I find it extremely unlikely that any competitors would want to 'frame' chipmixer as a scammer. That is extremely unlikely. There is a possibility that a user just wants to get free coins.

Be in a safe environment and make sure your computer is free of viruses. Chipmixer has no reason to steal your money when they've spent so much on developing and promoting this. Sweep the keys if you need to.

I find it odd that people think chipmixer is somehow less trustworthy than other services who just send the coins directly to you. If you think about it it's about exactly the same likelihood that they will scam, which is almost zero especially if dealing with small amounts.

You have misunderstood something! By not giving us receipt, even if they do steal, we can't prove because we also have access to the funds which makes it easier for a scam to happen. It does NOT mean other services are safer! Just that if they send to a wrong address or if the funds were stolen, we can prove it in most cases and ask them for a refund. For ChipMixer, it is not possible even if it is their fault.

P.S. A hack/steal could also mean stealing private key from their server. Although chances of happening this are very low, it could happen. I hope if this is the case, ChipMixer will give a refund!


They CAN scam us and they MIGHT scam us! But it does NOT mean they WILL! Like others have said, it comes down to how much you trust them. ChipMixer offers features others don't offer and there are drawbacks for offering such features. If you don't like ChipMixer or is afraid they may scam you, don't use them! FYI, I have used ChipMixer recently! Both their service and their support are great!

[btcton]

So i'm wondering as well - what if someone decides to frame Chipmixer by saying that they got hacked/chipmixer did an inside job when they really just sent the bitcoins to themselves? there would be no proof either way, but the guy can do this under multiple accounts and then people will say chipmixer is a scam.

There is nothing any site can do against this. You can say any exchange, casino or other site gave you a deposit-address and changed it right after you deposited.

That is not true. Bitmixer offers letter of guarantee. They show input and output addresses and signs them with their private key. Customer see it before they deposit. This is very nice feature and we would really like to have it, but we cannot. Their method is non-interactive and both inputs and outputs are known before deposit and if anything goes wrong, they can complain public. Output of ChipMixer is unpredictable - you can pick whatever chip sizes you want, you can bet, you can freeze them with vouchers. It offers better privacy, but downside is that we cannot offer letter of guarantee.

I was not familiar with the letter of guarantee method used by Bitmixer, but now that you have mentioned it, I wonder why it isn't possible with ChipMixer. Once the mixing amounts have been confirmed by the user, would it not be possible to sign a message containing the final chips being output in the mixing process, along with the input? The chip sizes may not be known prior by ChipMixer, but once they are chosen by the user wouldn't it be possible to include in a signed message?

I have not yet tried either of the mixers out myself, so please forgive me if I misunderstand the process involved in either of these.

Receipt - a writing acknowledging the receiving of goods or money.

Other mixers send Bitcoin directly to address we give them. After they send Bitcoin to our addresses, they give us receipt or signed message saying they have send x.xxxBTC to <address given>. However, ChipMixer doesn't actually send Bitcoin, they give us private key related to the address which has Bitcoin. Either we or ChipMixer can send Bitcoin from that address. In worst case, a hacker if the private key was stolen. So they can't give a "receipt".

If they give receipt after mixing and before they give us private keys, then they are essentially saying "we paid you" even before "paying" us. That is not a "receipt".

If they give a signed message mentioning they have sent us private keys like they are already doing, that is only a "receipt" saying "we have send you private key(s)", not "we have send you Bitcoin" because they can send Bitcoin from that address anytime if they want.

ChipMixer's signed receipt:

Code:

--- MESSAGE ---
This is a receipt / confirmation that you have received following
private keys from ChipMixer:
### CHIP SIZE: <amount> BTC
Address: <address #1>; Private key: <private key #1>
### CHIP SIZE: <amount> BTC
Address: <address #2>; Private key: <private key #2>


This message is signed with ChipMixer's Bitcoin address:
1ChipMwvHe5tewb1Uqa9bbZZJDmgPV1TC7

--- SIGNATURE ---
<signature>
--- END ---

First of all I find it extremely unlikely that any competitors would want to 'frame' chipmixer as a scammer. That is extremely unlikely. There is a possibility that a user just wants to get free coins.

Be in a safe environment and make sure your computer is free of viruses. Chipmixer has no reason to steal your money when they've spent so much on developing and promoting this. Sweep the keys if you need to.

I find it odd that people think chipmixer is somehow less trustworthy than other services who just send the coins directly to you. If you think about it it's about exactly the same likelihood that they will scam, which is almost zero especially if dealing with small amounts.

You have misunderstood something! By not giving us receipt, even if they do steal, we can't prove because we also have access to the funds which makes it easier for a scam to happen. It does NOT mean other services are safer! Just that if they send to a wrong address or if the funds were stolen, we can prove it in most cases and ask them for a refund. For ChipMixer, it is not possible even if it is their fault.

P.S. A hack/steal could also mean stealing private key from their server. Although chances of happening this are very low, it could happen. I hope if this is the case, ChipMixer will give a refund!


They CAN scam us and they MIGHT scam us! But it does NOT mean they WILL! Like others have said, it comes down to how much you trust them. ChipMixer offers features others don't offer and there are drawbacks for offering such features. If you don't like ChipMixer or is afraid they may scam you, don't use them! FYI, I have used ChipMixer recently! Both their service and their support are great!

Ah, yes. Now it makes sense. Since ChipMixer does not actually send the bitcoin anywhere, but instead just provides the private key, there would be no way to use a letter of guarantee confirming that the key would indeed end up in the possession of the person starting the process. Therefore, it would not be possible for ChipMixer to do this like bitmixer does. Is this correct?

[timerland]

Great reply from MZ, you should really be a part of the Chipmixer support team

I think sometimes we all overlook the fact that the chips are to guarantee that the funds you receive are by no means connected by the funds you send. It's impossible because the chips have been funded before your deposit. That is the main goal of having chips instead of sending coins directly to the recipient's address, in my opinion. It adds a whole new level of privacy. It's not because Chipmixer has access to private keys or whatever.

It all comes down to whether you trust Chipmixer or not, if you don't trust Chipmixer then don't use it.

[buwaytress]

If the reports are true that there are now organisations that use highly specialised software forensics to detect or trace Bitcoin origins - there are a few questions that come to mind:

1. Is there a way to "test" if your Bitcoins could pass any of these so-called detection tests?
2. Has evidence from these types of software ever been successfully (or unsuccessfully) used to incriminate someone legally?
3. Is there any way to benchmark ChipMixer against other similar services? What would the major criteria be?

Interested in your thoughts, @MZ especially

[BitFinnese]

They CAN scam us and they MIGHT scam us! But it does NOT mean they WILL! Like others have said, it comes down to how much you trust them. ChipMixer offers features others don't offer and there are drawbacks for offering such features. If you don't like ChipMixer or is afraid they may scam you, don't use them! FYI, I have used ChipMixer recently! Both their service and their support are great!

I agree on this.  If you have doubt on ChipMixer then do not use their service.  I have been using Chipmixer for more than a month now and even playing with their internal game. I never had any issue with them.  Instead I always think their services are unique and innovative and will no doubt use their service again when needed.

[bL4nkcode]

Hello chipmixer I just noticed that the main website is not mobile responsive since I'm a android/smartphone user to surf and browsing the internet and mostly people (bitcoin users) nowadays have smartphones used to browse the internet so can I ask if when you can implement this on your site, it will be much better if you did this.

Screenshot from my browser I'm using chrome with zenfone 2 laser 5.5s screen
https://i.imgur.com/tprj7C2.jpg

[iluvpie60]

I like the idea of chipmixer. It seems to be very well thoughtout and expanding on the already established mixing services. The part of gambling the BTC also does increase anonymity for sure. Having control of private keys means you own it too, good job!